Genuine Contactee?

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  1. Ida G

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    To Ray: Researchers Have Identified 100 Mysteriously Disappeared Stars in The Night Sky

    You might find this article interesting. "There is that other explanation. The one we'd all like to be true, but can't take seriously until we have a lot more evidence: Aliens could be covering these stars up to absorb their light, converting it into useful energy before shedding it as low grade radiation. Or the initial flares might be short lived, intense signals from alien technology."
    Of course evidence is important, but imagination was a very good way to walk for truth. The way I think of them is like chameleons. They could be one of us too.
     
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  2. Ray

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    I've read that article an year ago and i was honestly thinking to ask on Twitter to Dr. Harold Geller if there's any follow up, as for this article written on Arxiv in 2016 that describes the weirdness of 234 stars blinking together.

    Discovery of peculiar periodic spectral modulations in a small...

    Dyson Spheres are very likely though, not every explanation must be prosaic. I remember how everyone was excited at NASA when we discovered KIC 8462852 in the Cygnus constellation, also known as Tabby Star after the astronomer who was leading the study.
     
  3. Ida G

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    Thank you. Reading the PDF file now. It is 57 pages and at least 50 of importance. The questions will come gradually :)
    "Borra (2012) suggested that extraterrestrial intelligence (ETI) could send pairs of light pulses separated by a constant time interval to generate periodic spectral modulations."
    :)
     
  4. nivek

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    As far as mediums go in general @1963 , I have observed, researched, and experienced first hand the works of many channelers around the country of the US in my past travels, most I observed were frauds, some totally sincere in their hoaxes, fully believing they were channeling 'something' but there was couple of people who seemed to be channeling something, not necessarily what they think they are channeling either...There was one older woman I met in South Carolina who claimed to channel a higher being from the fifth dimension or the sixth, allegedly...Well, I can say that this individual was indeed channeling something, a presence that I felt in her group channeling sessions, of which I took part of and observed for many months in the early 2000s...This entity or consciousness stayed well hidden, speaking through her when addressing the group and this channeled being always seemed to drain her physically as well, making her weak and sometimes exhausted, which I heard years later was taking a toll on her health...I cannot say what this thing was she channeled, or if it was being honest and truthful of itself and where it came from, but there was definitely something that spoke through her, there was a definite presence during the channeling groups she entertained...

    ...
     
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  5. Dejan Corovic

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    How do you know she was not self-inducing borderline epileptic fit? Epileptic people can have very strong visions and it's simply an illness.

    How was that "presence" manifesting, was there any physical effect?

    Where you yourself hearing any vices during sessions?
     
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  6. Ida G

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    Cool. Inspired by the article, I downloaded SETI@home. Still trying to download after falling asleep last night. Computer automatically shut down. Reminding download time 02.19.??
    Worth to try out.
    Have you tried SETI- project?
     
  7. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Unfortunately it's not that simple, because ultimately a polygraph test only tells you whether the polygraph operator believes the subject, and since most polygraph operators don't believe that alien beings take humans for joyrides, most polygraph operators wouldn't believe Daniel Fry's story. Frankly if a polygraph were a scientific instrument then the results wouldn't require a human interpreter. So a polygraph is about as trustworthy as a palm reader...possibly less. Fry's account of that experience casts grave doubts on the reliability and the intention behind that televised polygraph test:
    Polygraph Test? | Daniel Fry Dot Com

    By polarized gravity I mean the same thing as in the electrical sense: both a positive and a negative gravitational pole are generated. The positive pole attracts matter and the negative pole repels matter. That's how it's described in Fry's books, and this is a correct analogy because electrical charges and gravitational charges are analogous, and in the weak field limit one can swap out electrical charge for gravitational charge to arrive at the gravitoelectromagnetic (GEM) Maxwell's equations, but the sign of the interactions is reversed because gravitation is defined by a rank-two tensor whereas electromagnetism is described by a first-rank tensor.

    Nobody's ever solved the complete unified field theory that Fry described in broad terms, including Fry - it appears that he was only given the postulates and some critical clues to the operation and the nature of the theory alluded to in his books. None of the ideas are expressed mathematically, but perfectly logical proof of their veracity is always given, so the books are qualitative rather than quantitative in nature.

    There's a statement in his books that asserts that the heaviest element synthesized at the core of the Sun is silver, rather than iron as we believe today. So he may be wrong about that prediction, but I'm not sure how much we know about the activity at the center of the Sun - according to Fry's theory, the key factors in the equation are all interdependent on one another in a specific but unspecified manner; gravity, time, mass, energy, space. So it may be possible that the nucleus with the highest binding energy per nucleon is different within the core of a star, than here on the surface of the Earth. I've always meant to have a look at the solar spectrum to see if there's a faint emission line that might indicate the fusion of smaller nuclei into silver, but I haven't gotten around to it and I'm not sure if such a rare fusion event would be detectable with modern spectroscopy. I hope to discuss this with a solar physicist someday - somebody willing to look at the data rather than just repeat whatever they were taught in school.
     
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  8. Ray

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    In my free time i try to partecipate in some project, i helped to map BENNU's craters and boulders for Osiris-REx sample collection mission.
    There are a lot of projects that one can follow, including Planet Hunters TESS, it's really up to your preferences.

    Every time i can sit at my pc with a beer, i either write craps on Twitter or do that.
     
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  9. Ida G

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    Thank you :)
    Very strange that the percent of how reliable the polygraph is, change. If the eye detector test is more reliably than a polygraph, and the eye detector test is 86 % accurate, then the polygraph can not be 90%

    I can`t find any article about this "Regarding that 4%, they say that is not “inaccuracy percentage,” but is due to those persons on whose testimonies they cannot come to any conclusions at all. For instance, there are the Indians. They seem to be so stoic the graph just runs along with no quivers at all: “Full-blooded Indians defy all theories of emotional and galvanic response an which the polygraph is based.” Fry, if he had known this, could at least have claimed to be a “heap big Injun.”
    Where does the information about the indians come from?
     
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  10. Ida G

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    Thank you for the inspiration. Absolutely appreciated. I will check them out too :biggrinn8:
     
  11. Double Nought Spy

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    How relevant is Fry's truthfulness anyway? I don't buy his narrative about the encounter with the automated ship, but it's beside the point when you get to his books, with the scientific predictions that Thomas has done such a masterful job of breaking down for the rest of us. They sit there, simply existing when they shouldn't, mocking all who try to ignore them on whatever basis they can dream up. There is no question that such impossible things were published under Fry's name. If they had been published under any name, they would still be a mystery.
     
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  12. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Polygraphs aren't scientific - here's the way that the American Psychological Association views the silly fiasco of the "lie detector":

    The Truth About Lie Detectors (aka Polygraph Tests): Most psychologists agree that there is little evidence that polygraph tests can accurately detect lies.

    That sounds like 1955 American racist BS.

    Since polygraphs aren't any more scientific than say, phrenology, there's no way to determine whether one race or another is more or less suitable to polygraph testing. It's just pseudoscience masquerading as science, which is why it's not admissible in court.

    As far as I've seen, no physiological responses can indicate whether or not someone is lying, because there are all kinds of reasons for changes in human physiological responses. For example, a dilated capillary response can happen when someone is embrassassed (which might indicate that they're lying), or they might've just had an erotic thought, which can also cause dilated capillaries. Likewise, someone might get sweatier (changing the galvanic skin response) because they're nervous... or because someone is shining a 1000-watt spotlight on them. No machine that I'm aware of can determine whether or not you're lying because there are at least dozens of reasons for every human physiological response, and so it takes an "interpreter" to try to figure out what responses are relevant and which ones aren't. And since that assessment is totally subjective, the interpretations of one operator will conflict with the interpretations of another operator, rendering the entire affair meaningless.
     
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  13. pigfarmer

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    Well, if nothing else Fry piqued my interest.

    This is sort of a very complex Out-of-place artifact - Wikipedia in a way. Odd and out of place. The objects are a little easier to explain though.
     
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  14. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Precisely - perhaps you can see how this case has fascinated me for decades. One major scientific prediction decades ahead of its time is mysterious....but several major predictions decades ahead of their time is a big red flag demanding rigorous scrutiny and a plausible explanation. And so far all of the hypotheses I can imagine appear to be implausible, or at least very improbable.

    Kinda reminds me of that Arthur Conan Doyle quote: “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

    And frankly it's impossible not to notice that Fry's statements make far more sense today than they did at the time of his writings. When multiple lines of scientific inquiry converge on the legitimacy of various statements, that's the exact opposite of what we've seen with every other alleged alien contact case that we've heard about. In fact that's how a correct scientific hypothesis tends to work - over time, the data converges on its correctness.

    And in the 1950s when Fry wrote his books, the idea of a negative pole of gravitation, "antigravity," was considered by the academic physics establishment to be a laughable, nonphysical, ridiculous notion. Then in 1963 Robert L. Forward proved that it's an inescapably fundamental feature of general relativity...and basically everyone ignored it completely. Then in 1998, astrophysicists discovered that the entire universe is pervaded by an antigravitational field, and the subsequent observations have only confirmed this. So how the hell did Daniel Fry know about it, and have the confidence to state it as a fact, in 1956?
     
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  15. Ida G

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    Is there any OOPArts that has not been considered hoax?
    (Of those considered hoax)
     
  16. Dejan Corovic

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    @Thomas R. Morrison you nailed it.

    If it is a human made decision it will be influenced heavily by culture, context, race and than some gizmo would be inserted into a process to make it sound scientific. The very fact that there is no algoritham behind it means is not scientific. Just mumbo jumbo.

    Problem is low level of scientific education and that most people can not bend their heads around how science works. If Fry said 100 outright lies and he correctly described a future complex scientific theory, than all his lies are instantly exonerated and he was telling truth. One can't guess scientific theory from empty sheet of paper.
     
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  17. Double Nought Spy

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    Fry's tall tales and fake photos make his "contactee" claims look just as bogus as Adamski's.

    Fry's predicting very specific and at the time crazy sounding scientific discoveries to come, especially such arcane and difficult concepts (for most people) is another matter, and one that demands an explanation. Saying he was a lying hoaxer does nothing to explain where his information came from.
     
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  18. pigfarmer

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    Not that I'm aware of but it's always fun to look.

    Some things like the Antikythera mechanism are perfectly genuine but we're surprised as hell to find something with that level of sophistication from so long ago. Makes you wonder about all the other things that have undoubtedly been lost over time that we'll never hear about or be required to rediscover. Our ancestors were quite clever and probably aren't given sufficient credit at times.
     
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  19. 1963

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    Hi DNS, As to the truthfulness of Fry's UFO sighting, 30 minute jaunt to NY and back, his photographs[+ his wife's] his 'pathetic attempt at a UFO/film' and overall limpness to the whole claim of being in contact with an extraterrestrial named 'Alan' [with a 1950's hollywood-style of 'exotic-pronunciation ] , the whole, "it took the aliens two years to learn how to speak English... [note. * telepathically *]
    and his very weak and frankly unbelievable changing of the year explanation when he realised that a test of validity would find out that he wasn't even at White Sands on the date that he'd previously attested to. [but of course just like Corso's mistakes,.. "it was the publisher's fault"!] … well, to say the least, Daniel W Fry does not get anywhere near passing my own personal validity discernment test [nor I believe it should pass anyone's] .. and in conclusion, I believe that it's alright to label this man a UFO hoaxer/liar.
    But that's not really the point of the puzzling part of Daniel Fry's history on this thread is it,... no, as pointed out by our good friend [and scientific guru] Thomas, the real conundrum about this guy is that he 'apparently' came up with a few scientific predictions, which as far as a novice like me can tell are exciting someone as scientifically-savvy as Thomas because though not empirically proven...they may well have been [according to ongoing modern scientific investigation] positively sound propositions!
    This I agree is a fascinating anomaly in the body of work of a most probable hoaxer/liar. I have no clue whatsoever whether or not, the subjects in question will indeed finally pass scientifically proven muster, or ultimately will fall at the final hurdle after looking so promising? … But I do understand that the basic premise of Fry's scientific writings seem very much out of place for a UFO Hoaxer/liar, and that for Thomas, so much out of kilter in fact with the rest of Fry's character, and that he as not yet found an alternative source of Fry's advanced thinking [ie. hasn't found anyone else from that period that he could have been cribbing from]... that he is actually telling the truth?... or not?...or he is? ..
    .. I would love to be able to help him decide, but unfortunately i'm certainly in no position to help him to find out where Fry's ideas came from. But no matter whether his 'foresight' turns out to be pukka or not, I can't ever see myself believing that he was a genuine contactee. Troubled chimeric genius maybe. But not an alien contactee. … which I posit does definitely "matter" on a UFO/ETH forum thread. o_O
    Hi Nivek, Of course I do not doubt your integrity in the slightest old friend, … however, I feel obliged to say that whilst I like to keep an open mind and not write anything off as being totally out of the question, I have not found through my reading and documentary watching any truly convincing examples of true mediumship. I remember reading plenty of literature on the subject [because Arthur Conan Doyle believed] ... the likes of Cayce, Stokes, Dixon etc and my favourites were Daniel Dunglas Home and Helen Duncan and although Helen was actually imprisoned for being caught faking... I still enjoyed the stories around them. But unlike yourself I never attended even a single live-event. And if i had taken a different path then perhaps that might well have enabled me to declare that I think that there might be more to it then I am willing to presently admit. … For me my friend, it is just an old Vaudeville act that has refused to die! [forgive the pun] … unless you can show me different. :Thumbsup:

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  20. Ida G

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    This article made a smile in my face Timeless Mystery: How did a Swiss Ring Watch End up in a Sealed Ming Dynasty Tomb?
    The article should be on a thread about time-travel. w26
     
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