Global Cooling or Global Warming?

nivek

As Above So Below
There's been much debate about the rise and fall of temperatures, many beating the drums of manmade rising temperatures and the drums also beat for natural fluctuations in temperatures...Myself I go with the latter, although to a certain extent man is adding to the temperature fluctuations I think what we see are natural extremes for the most part...

GLOBAL OCEAN COOLING CONTINUES

In May despite a slight rise in the Tropics, declines in both hemispheres and globally caused SST cooling to resume after an upward bump in April. Now in July a large drop is showing both in the Tropics and in SH, declining the last 4 months. Meanwhile the NH is peaking in July as usual, but well down from the previous July. The net of all this is a slightly lower Global anomaly but with likely additional future cooling led by the Tropics and also SH hitting new lows for this period.

Note that higher temps in 2015 and 2016 were first of all due to a sharp rise in Tropical SST, beginning in March 2015, peaking in January 2016, and steadily declining back to its beginning level. Secondly, the Northern Hemisphere added two bumps on the shoulders of Tropical warming, with peaks in August of each year. Also, note that the global release of heat was not dramatic, due to the Southern Hemisphere offsetting the Northern one. Note that Global anomaly for July 2017 matches closely to April 2015. However, SH and the Tropics are lower now and trending down compared to an upward trend in 2015.

We have seen lots of claims about the temperature records for 2016 and 2015 proving dangerous man made warming. At least one senator stated that in a confirmation hearing. Yet HadSST3 data for the last two years show how obvious is the ocean’s governing of global average temperatures.

Global Ocean Cooling Continues | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

Tropics Lead Ocean Cooling

Global Cooling is Here

Evidence for Predicting Global Cooling for the Next Three Decades

http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
The earth is actually going through a long term cooling trend......60 million years ago there were no ice sheets.

At that time the earth was covered by 86% water.....and that had lasted for millions of years.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
The reason I only posted global cooling links is to give a fair voice to that 'side' since global warming is pronounced everywhere lol...
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
For us (me) not educated in geology,, how many years would that be ? Give or take

& What triggers ice "ages"

I'd say within the next 50,000 years. Right now people think it will happen when enough fresh water enters the North Atlantic which would shit down the Gulf Stream causing the Northern Hemisphere to cool. I'd have to check to see other ways ice ages could start.

A super volcanoes eruption could also cause one by starting a "nuclear" winter scenario.
 

3FEL9

Islander
I'd say within the next 50,000 years. Right now people think it will happen when enough fresh water enters the North Atlantic which would shit down the Gulf Stream causing the Northern Hemisphere to cool. I'd have to check to see other ways ice ages could start.

A super volcanoes eruption could also cause one by starting a "nuclear" winter scenario.

Yeah,. Remember that now.. Gulf Stream being driven by heat and differences in salt in the oceans.. kind of a heat pump ¿
50'000 years,, wow! IF our relatives still here then,,
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Yeah,. Remember that now.. Gulf Stream being driven by heat and differences in salt in the oceans.. kind of a heat pump ¿
50'000 years,, wow! IF our relatives still here then,,

Yes.....on the geologic timescale of 4.67 billion years then 50,000 years is the very near future.....lol
 

nivek

As Above So Below
See how winter goes and then see how we all feel about this when spring comes, if it comes that is.

One or two seasons are too short of gauges for long term climate patterns, a decade or more can give an indication of larger longer climate behaviour...

20 Years of Winter Cooling Defy Global Warming Claims

Winter temperatures throughout the United States are in a 20-year cooling trend, defying alarmist global warming predictions and debunking claims that warmer winters are causing environmental catastrophe.

National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) data, presented by the International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project, reveal this winter’s exceptionally cold winter was merely the continuation of a long-term cooling trend. The trend line for the past 20 years shows more than two degrees Fahrenheit of cooling in U.S. winter temperatures since 1995.

The two decades of cooling temperatures defy alarmist assertions that global warming is causing warmer winters.

20 Years of Winter Cooling Defy Global Warming Claims
 

3FEL9

Islander
We gotta figure out how to contact Casual Bystander in DC.. That dude had an otherworldly understanding of things happening.
He was a libertarian, and liked to swipe beers at Trumps new bar there. He didnt like Trump, but
disliked Hillary so much that he put Trump in office, he
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Another study analyzing tree rings revealing an even longer cooling trend, the medieval times and Roman times were experiencing warmer climate than we are...

New Study: Two Thousand Years of Northern European Summer Temperatures Show a Downward Trend

esperetal2014b.jpg


In a paper published in the Journal of Quaternary Science, Esper et al. (2014) write that tree-ring chronologies of maximum latewood density (MXD) “are most suitable to reconstruct annually resolved summer temperature variations of the late Holocene.” And working with what they call “the world’s two longest MXD-based climate reconstructions” – those of Melvin et al. (2013) and Esper et al. (2012) – they combined portions of each to produce a new-and-improved summer temperature history for northern Europe that stretches all the way “from 17 BC to the present.” And what did they thereby learn?

As the international team of researchers from the Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Greece, Sweden and Switzerland describes it, this history depicts “a long-term cooling trend of -0.30°C per 1,000 years over the Common Era in northern Europe” (see figure below). Most important of all, however, they note that their temperature reconstruction “has centennial-scale variations superimposed on this trend,” which indicate that “conditions during Medieval and Roman times were probably warmer than in the late 20th century,” when the previously-rising post-Little Ice Age mean global air temperature hit a ceiling of sorts above which it has yet to penetrate.

And so we continue to collect ever more real-world evidence for the fact, that there is nothing unusual, unnatural or unprecedented about the Earth’s current level of warmth.

Paper Reviewed
Esper, J., Duthorn, E., Krusic, P.J., Timonen, M. and Buntgen, U. 2014. Northern European summer temperature variations over the Common Era from integrated tree-ring density records. Journal of Quaternary Science 29: 487-494. Northern European summer temperature variations over the Common Era from integrated tree‐ring density records

Full paper PDF: http://www.blogs.uni-mainz.de/fb09climatology/files/2012/03/Esper_2014_JQS.pdf

New Study: Two Thousand Years of Northern European Summer Temperatures Show a Downward Trend
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Another study analyzing tree rings revealing an even longer cooling trend, the medieval times and Roman times were experiencing warmer climate than we are...

New Study: Two Thousand Years of Northern European Summer Temperatures Show a Downward Trend

esperetal2014b.jpg




New Study: Two Thousand Years of Northern European Summer Temperatures Show a Downward Trend

Great link and graph.....and its true for the last 2,000 years. However, the long term cooling trend covers closer to 45 millions years at least.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
We gotta figure out how to contact Casual Bystander in DC.. That dude had an otherworldly understanding of things happening.
He was a libertarian, and liked to swipe beers at Trumps new bar there. He didnt like Trump, but
disliked Hillary so much that he put Trump in office, he
What was the question?
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
There's been much debate about the rise and fall of temperatures, many beating the drums of manmade rising temperatures and the drums also beat for natural fluctuations in temperatures...Myself I go with the latter, although to a certain extent man is adding to the temperature fluctuations I think what we see are natural extremes for the most part...

GLOBAL OCEAN COOLING CONTINUES



Global Ocean Cooling Continues | The Global Warming Policy Forum (GWPF)

Tropics Lead Ocean Cooling

Global Cooling is Here



http://www.globalresearch.ca/global-cooling-is-here/10783

Well...

The ocean surface is cooling because we had a 2 year El Nino. The length+strength was the greatest ever recorded (the 1998 El Nino was shorter and arguably weaker).

It is still unwinding and the long expected La Nina has arrived so the honest climate observers (non-warmunists) will have a fun 2018.

Bigger problem is that below 2000 meters is cooling. The subsurface cooling in the North Atlantic is real bad.


Now, to your second link.

The IPCC predictions are such bullshit that it would take a complete thread to explain the problems.

globalcool2.jpg


As far as I can tell in the last million years the planet has only been 2° possibly 3°C warmer than it is now.

Under insolation conditions that were 50-70 W/m2 higher than today.

Forcing by CO2 to date since 1900 is about 1.1 W/m2 and might go up worst case another 1 W/m2.

The scientists who constructed the above chart are either damned liars or complete idiots.

For the earth to warm more than about 2-3 degrees the continents have to be moved. CO2 does not move continents.
 
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