Discussion in 'The Natural World' started by nivek, Aug 17, 2017.
Now that's an intelligent response.....if you can't support the person or info post a funny irrelevant pic.
I would think any 'intelligent' person would ask hard questions when people start spouting stuff especially on you tube, but then...I could be wrong.
I think an intelligent person would look at all the data that's presented first before attacking the messenger and discounting everything over one video and by the way you've used a similar picture in one of the political threads most recently a very intelligent response as well or lack thereof...
Please by all means post all the data....I'll wait. We can pretend we know what the experts have to say on the 'coming ice age'. (We have all been inundated with this kind of data for some years now) My comment was about that one person...and his credibility and agaenda. . Yet I didn't get ay response on that. Please feel free to defend him and show how he is correct and how he knows these things. Which there is plenty of conflicting info on....which was my point. And he is selling merch from it...does that not bother you just a little? I think people are way way too quick to accept these self styled prophets on you tube and other social platforms.
And yes , mea culpa, I did use a similar pic but in a different context.
I suggest you start with all the links of data provided in the description of the video that I guess you really didn't watch because the commentator which you've quickly attacked actually says not to listen to his words but review all the data he has provided to come to your own conclusion...Imagine that, suggesting one think for oneself...
I've been stating similar things for 10 years since I have actually done research on this subject for many years...The data I've posted is all over this forum and not just in this thread and in many old threads in Alien Hub when I was there posting...If you think you have a pulse on what's happening in the world then there's obviously nothing you can learn here and perhaps it's best you move along and allow others to come to their own conclusions instead of trashing this thread with disbaraging comments that are immature in their conclusions because you really haven't looked at any of the data at all...If you're looking for a 5 minute spoonfed version it's not going to happen...If your cup is half full and you really want to know you will do some of the research yourself, this thread alone is full of information and data as well as the many links of data provided by the video you were quick to trash...I'm not defending the guy, I don't have a personal stake in his affairs but the information is worth researching, if you don't want to that's your choice...
I did watch the video...his data was confusing and not well documented regarding sources imho and no offense meant but neither you nor I are are experts on this (no matter how much data you think you have read), and we can only guess at whether a specifc scientific stance is right or not regarding this ..unless you have specific degree in this area? I have a BS and OD and spent 7 years at University studying mostly science and science related courses...not bragging here but the point is I have trouble understanding what they are talking about in this area...so I can imagine someone who has a degree in a non science area getting this, be they smart or not. 'Something' might be going on but it seems there is no real agreement and sadly it has even become political. I'm certainly not trying to stifle discussion in this thread and I now realize that you were just posting a video and not endorsing his ideas.
I did come down a bit hard on this man ,but again my problem is that most on you tube, and I don't think he is any different from what I read on this man, are just touting their own opinions and not necessarily good ones either.
Again...my point was that we should not trust someone simply because they have an idea to sell or promote on you tube.
But as you said...people can make up their own minds but....caveat emptor is the phrase of the day here.
The past average temperature for this region is 69 degrees Fahrenheit for this time of year...
Santa Catarina, Brazil logs its third consecutive day of rare Snow and sub-zero Cold
Santa Catarina recorded snowfall in Urupema and Sao Joaquim on Wednesday — the third consecutive day of the rare phenomenon, which also included unusually chilly sub-zero temperatures.
Santa Catarina is the southernmost state of Brazil. Temperatures across the state have plunged to a record-challenging -7.5C (18.5F), and beyond, this week, and heavy snow has been registered.
According to the Information Center of Environmental Resources and Hydrometeorology of Santa Catarina (Epagri / Ciram), this is the first year since 2000 that snow has been recorded on three consecutive days.
As reported by riotimesonline.com, plunging temperatures and favorable humidity levels have brought substantial accumulations of snow to the towns and cities located in and around the Santa Catarina Mountains.
Locals have been waking to find their cars, lawns, and roads blanketed under layers of global warming goodness as a violent Antarctic front continues to dominate South America’s weather.
Bone-chilling lows have accompanied the snow — cold which sank thermometers to a record-challenging -3.9C (25F) in Bom Jardim da Serra, -3.45C (25.8F) in Urupema, -2.13C (28.2F) in Urubici, and -1.6C (29.1F) in São Joaquim, according to Epagri / Ciram data.
GFS 2m Temp Anomalies (C) [tropicaltidbits.com].
The Antarctic continent has been holding unusually cold this year — some 10C colder than normal, in fact.
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Historic crop loss in Brazil after new frosts hit corn areas
The week has begun with the already-shattered corn market in Brazil enduring another blow as a new cold wave swept the centre-south of Brazil bringing frosts to corn-producing states and raising fresh concerns about export volumes and contract breaches.
On Monday, frosts hit parts of the states of Paraná and Mato Grosso do Sul, with late planted corn areas likely affected. The cold wave is expected to reach its peak on Tuesday, with forecasts showing potential fresh frosts in the states of Paraná, Mato Grosso do Sul, São Paulo and Minas Gerais.
“It is going to be a historic crop loss,” Daniele Siqueira from local consultancy Agrural told Agricensus.
The second Brazilian corn crop safrinha has been severely affected by dry and warm weather during key development stages, and crop conditions worsened further in some regions that were hit by frosts for three days in the end of June.
As a result, Agrural has lowered its estimates of Brazil’s safrinha output to 59.1 million mt in early-July, 22 million mt below the initial crop potential and the new frosts could mean these estimates are dampened even further.
As the Brazilian crop outlook continues to deteriorate, analysts believe exports might take the bulk of the hit. “Output losses will be extremely large across all producing states apart from Mato Grosso… Paraná and Mato Grosso do Sul will have no export capacity whatsoever,” Siqueira said.
“Trading companies continue to wash out corn contracts to the domestic market due to price differentials between ports and the interior market and to quality issues,” Victor Martins from Hedgepoint Global Markets said.
Besides volume losses, grain quality is a major concern among farmers, traders and exporters. “Exporters seem to be cornered, having to pay a quality premium to lift corn standards to fulfil agreements and to outbid the domestic market,” Martins added.
In many cases, producers will need to blend lower quality product with high quality corn to meet export standards. According to Siqueira, some producers are trying to hoard higher quality first crop corn to blend further ahead, while others are looking to source corn from Mato Grosso or from Paraguay and Argentina.
Although Mato Grosso’s corn production has been impacted by dry weather conditions, it’s crop loss will not be as severe as in other states. “As Mato Grosso is Brazil’s main exporter, this makes the analysis even harder,” Siqueira said, adding that the big question now is how much of the state’s production will remain in the country and how much will be exported.
Meanwhile, contract breaches are another major concern that has been on the radar since dry conditions slashed domestic production estimates. “With this week’s frosts, odds are increasing of even more contracts being breached,” Martins told Agricensus.
“This is affecting both exports and domestic deliveries… many producers had committed up to 80% of their crop in forward sales but are harvesting 30-50% less than expected and cannot purchase volumes from other producers to honour contracts,” Martins said. The lack of good quality products to meet contract standards increases contract breach risks even further.
According to Martins, the situation is so dramatic that “there will not be any corn left in the market in September and the country will need to import much more from Argentina.” [AgriCensus]
Next 20-30 years will be cold… And that’s worst than global warming, climate scientist warns
Global cooling over the next 20-30 years
Climate scientist Dr. Willie Soon has urged his fellow academics to pay closer attention to the sun’s activity, which suggests several decades of global cooling rather than warming.
The Malaysian astrophysicist and aerospace engineer said that “what we predict is that the next 20-30 years will be cold. It will be cold, so it will be a very interesting thing for the IPCC to confront.”
Why is it going to be cold?
The sun is in a “weakened state” and far less active than during the 1980s and 1990s. And this ‘condition’ should last until “around 2050.” “The whole climate system is powered 99.1 percent by the sun’s energy,” he stated. And according to him, global cooling is a far greater source of concern than global warming.
“We will have a lot more problems were the planet to cool rather than warm,” Soon insisted. Humanity can solve a lot of problems including overheating, but the problem of a “little ice age” like that of the 1700s, “those problems are much harder to solve,” he said.
“If you want to face a serious problem, worry about an ice age; never worry about global warming,” he declared.
Chinese promote climate alarmism
Soon’s warnings dovetail with a report Wednesday of billions of dollars of Chinese investment into elite American universities to promote climate alarmism as “one of the Chinese Communist Party’s chief weapons against the United States of America.”
The U.S. State Department uncovered $6.5 billion in undeclared university, most of which came from China, in an attempt to “project ‘soft power,’ steal sensitive and proprietary research and development data and other intellectual property, and spread propaganda benefitting foreign governments.”
“It makes perfect sense that the Chinese Communists are manipulating fears of a climate catastrophe to its advantage,” the report noted. “The CCP wants the U.S. and other nations to pass laws making energy and manufacturing more expensive while they expand their economy, take our industries and our jobs and do so with little regard for the environment or human rights.”
“It is a strategic geopolitical tool used by China and other nations that want to weaken America, and the freedoms we enjoy,” it said.
Record Cold Sweeps Central/Eastern U.S., as many European Nations Suffered a Colder-than-Average July
The propagandizing mainstream media simply won’t report on the ‘cold’, which means a compliant and indoctrinated public aren’t privy to the record summer chills currently sweeping Siberia, Europe and now the U.S.; nor are they aware of the harvest-wrecking freezes to have torn through South America and South Africa of late, or the frogs dying of the cold in Australia…
This is the reality of Earth’s climate — it is one of cooling as the sun slips into its next 400 year Grand Solar Minimum (GSM) cycle, yet very few have been allowed to cotton on, and even fewer have heard the warnings from the likes of Dr. Zharkova and Dr. Soon:
Professor Valentina Zharkova: “We Entered the ‘Modern’ Grand Solar Minimum on June 8, 2020”
“The next 30 years will be Cold,” says Climate Scientist Dr. Willie Soon
In combination with a dimming sun, we also have our planet’s ever-waning magnetosphere to contend with. Earth’s magnetic field strength has plummeted in recent years as our poles continue their wander, and this, in line with a GSM, is resulting in something of a double-whammy.
On top of that, though inextricably tied with the aforementioned phenomena, we have the ramp-up t the solar maxima of cycle 25 — a reality that brings with it a 50% probability of the sun hurling a powerful CME/solar flare our way by the year 2024–the ‘killshot’ that could take down our modern civilization’s electrical grid.
But we’d best stay clear of these topics. We wouldn’t want to blow the narrow, inculcated minds of the masses now would we. We’d best just stick to the cold…
RECORD COLD SWEEPS EASTERN U.S.
Over the past 24 hours, a host of new low temperature records have tumbled across the Eastern United States. From Texas up to South Dakota, and from Massachusetts down to Alabama, tens of daily low temperature records have fallen as an unusual mass of polar cold descended anomalously-far south on the back of a weak and wavy ‘meridional‘ jet stream flow.
A rare August cold front swept through the Acadiana region of Louisiana on Monday, August 3, is how klfy.com put it; however, they are one of only a handful of news outlets reporting on the North America’s unusual summer chills.
The MSM was all-too happy to ‘milk the heat’ in the Pacific Northwest last month, but have now fallen oddly quiet as temperatures across both the United States and Canada turn from ‘reds’ and ‘oranges’ to ‘blues’ and ‘purples’:
The cherry-picking should be clearer than ever. And speaking of Canada, their July temperature data is in — and despite the barrage of EOTW rhetoric spouted by the likes of the WP, CNN, and the Guardian, the country’s average July temperature actually finished up just 0.23C above the norm, with central and eastern regions actually suffering a colder-than-average month.
Looking ahead, the frigid conditions will hang around for a little while longer, lingering into the weekend for many. Here’s today, August 3 across the CONUS:
Such departures from the norm will see yet more low temperatures records fall.
EUROPEAN NATIONS SUFFERED A COLDER-THAN-AVERAGE JULY
European weather agency’s are releasing their country’s climatological data for the month of July, and as we’ve seen above, despite MSM warm-mongering and cherry-picking, many nations just suffered a colder-than-average month.
Switzerland logged a nationwide temperature anomaly of -0.3C below the old 1981-2010 baseline in July.
While precipitation exceeded the 1981-2010 norm by 180%. Damaging hailstorms were also a frequent occurrence (a phenomenon again tied to low solar activity, a waning magnetosphere + and an influx of Cosmic Rays).
France also saw a chillier than normal July. With an average temperature of 20.7C, July came out 0.1C below that previously used 1981-2010 baseline. This was France’s coolest July since 2014. Again, the cool month was the result of frequent cloudy and rainy days –conditions that prevailed ACROSS central-Western Europe– which again were brought about by low solar output and, more specifically, cloud nucleating cosmic rays.
The majority of European nations are yet to finalize their July averages (so stay tuned for updates). The final day of July was exceptionally cool across France.
July 31 brought extremely low highs for the time of year; in fact, in some cases the lowest July temperature maxes on record were broken — this occurring on the last day of the month, and so at the height of summer, makes it even more remarkable:
Furthermore, Western/Central Europe’s chill has intensified during the first few days of August. And looking ahead, those frigid lows appear set to spread eastward as the month progresses:
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Looks as if the Global Warming ship has sprung a serious leak.
"All hands abandon ship!!"
Weather is different from climate change...but its far too complex for me to understand but....there are plenty of articles like this so.... This Is Why Global Warming Is Responsible For Freezing Temperatures Across The U.S.
Does Cold Weather Disprove Climate Change?
Global warming is real, so why is it cold outside? » Yale Climate Connections
So how does one understand all the info? Mainstream science, fringe science, or no science at all..?
Earth's climate is not a self-contained ecosystem, it can be influenced by outside forces and the main driver of our climate conditions is the Sun...When the sun is very active we have warmer climate and when the sun goes into a solar minimum of activity our climate gets cooler...One extreme follows the other from our perspective, cold climate after a warmer one, then a warmer climate after a cold one, so erroneous papers have been written with claims one begets the other, when its the sun's activities or lack thereof which is the main driver...
A critical Atlantic Ocean system is on the brink of collapse and will trigger ‘extreme cold’ to Europe and parts of North America
A shutdown of the crucial circulation system could “bring extreme cold to Europe and parts of North America, raise sea levels along the U.S. East Coast, and disrupt seasonal monsoons that provide water to much of the world,” the Post reports. The effects, in short, would be devastating.
“The mere possibility that the AMOC tipping point is close should be enough for us to take countermeasures,” warns Levke Caesar, a climate physicist at Maynooth University.
Scientists previously believed the AMOC would in fact weaken this century, but didn’t imagine total collapse within the next 300 years except in absolute worst-case warming scenarios.
Now, according to a new Nature study, that critical threshold “is most likely much closer than we would have expected,” said Niklas Boers, the study’s author and a researcher at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. Any exact date, however, is still unknown.
It would take years of monitoring and data collection to officially confirm the AMOC slowdown, but there is a degree of “jeopardy” associated with waiting for that proof, scientists say. Besides, possible consequences, like a “cold blob” in the ocean south of Greenland, are already being felt.
Frighteningly, if the system does devastatingly shut down, the switch off would be irreversible in human lifetimes.
“It’s one of those events that should not happen,” said Boers. “This is a system we don’t want to mess with.”
What is the AMOC?
The AMOC is the product of a gigantic, ocean-wide balancing act. It starts in the tropics, where high temperatures not only warm up the seawater but also increase its proportion of salt by boosting evaporation. This warm, salty water flows northeast from the U.S. coastline toward Europe — creating the current we know as the Gulf Stream. But as the current gains latitude it cools, adding density to waters already laden with salt. By the time it hits Greenland, it is dense enough to sink deep beneath the surface.
It pushes other submerged water south toward Antarctica, where it mixes with other ocean currents as part of a global system known as the “thermohaline circulation.” This circulation is at the heart of Earth’s climate system, playing a critical role in redistributing heat and regulating weather patterns around the world. As long as the necessary temperature and salinity gradients exist, AMOC is self-sustaining, Boers explained. The predictable physics that make dense water sink and lighter water “upwell” keep the circulation churning in an endless loop.
Higher temperatures make ocean waters warmer and lighter. An influx of freshwater from melting ice sheets and glaciers dilutes North Atlantic’s saltiness, reducing its density. If these waters aren’t heavy enough to sink, the entire AMOC will shut down.
It’s happened before. Studies suggest that toward the end of the last ice age, a massive glacial lake burst through a declining North American ice sheet. The flood of freshwater spilled into the Atlantic, halting the AMOC and plunging much of the Northern Hemisphere — especially Europe — into deep cold. Gas bubbles trapped in polar ice indicate the cold spell lasted 1,000 years. Analyses of plant fossils and ancient artifacts suggest that the climate shift transformed ecosystems and threw human societies into upheaval.
“The phenomenon is intrinsically bi-stable,” Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution President Peter de Menocal said of the AMOC. “It’s either on or it’s off.”
But is it about to turn off now?
“That’s the core question we’re all concerned about,” said de Menocal, who was not involved in Boers’s research.
After all, there are plenty of other indications that Earth’s climate is in unprecedented territory. This summer, the Pacific Northwest was blasted by a heat wave scientists say was “virtually impossible” without human-caused warming. China, Germany, Belgium, Uganda and India have all experienced massive, deadly floods. Wildfires are raging from California to Turkey to the frozen forests of Siberia.
And the apparent consequences of the AMOC slowing are already being felt. A persistent “cold blob” in the ocean south of Greenland is thought to result from less warm water reaching that region. The lagging Gulf Stream has caused exceptionally high sea level rise along the U.S. East Coast. Key fisheries have been upended by the rapid temperature swings, and beloved species are struggling to cope with the changes.
If the AMOC does completely shut down, the change would be irreversible in human lifetimes, Boers said. The “bi-stable” nature of the phenomenon means it will find new equilibrium in its “off” state. Turning it back on would require a shift in the climate far greater than the changes that triggered the shutdown.
“It’s one of those events that should not happen, and we should try all that we can to reduce greenhouse gas emissions as quickly as possible,” Boers said. “This is a system we don’t want to mess with.” [WP]
Belgium and the Netherlands suffered Colder-than-Average Julys, as the Farmers’ Almanac Forecasts a ‘Grand Solar Minimum’ Winter for the U.S.
July 2021 in Belgium was much cooler than average. The month delivered record amounts of rain, too. Average temperature at the Uccle Observatory held at just 17.9C (64.2F) — that’s -0.8C (-1.4F) below the norm:
It was also Belgium’s wettest July on record, and by some margin, too. A total of 166.5mm (6.6 inches) of rain fell over the course of the month, versus the norm of 76.9mm (3 inches) — this busted previous record of 133.8mm (5.3 inches) set back in the year 2000.
It was a similar story in the Netherlands, which also saw a cooler and wetter than normal month of July. At the De Bilt Observatory, the average temperature finished up at 18C (64.4F), which is -0.3C (-0.5F) below the average. Precipitation came out at 98mm (3.86 inches), against the norm of 85mm (3.35 inches).
Farmers’ Almanac 2021-22 Winter Outlook
“Grab Your Gloves! Fetch Your Fleece! Winter is going to be a season of flip-flop conditions with notable polar coaster swings in temperatures!” — the Farmers’ Almanac 2021-22 winter forecast is out, and it’s calling for a ‘Grand Solar Minimum’ winter.
Unlike the Old Farmers’ Almanac, which makes weather predictions through a combination of animal signals, chicken bones, pig spleens, and other weather lore, the Farmers’ Almanac bases its outlook on a “mathematical and astronomical formula” dating back to 1818 that takes sunspot activity and other astronomical anomalies into account.
All long-range forecasts need to be taken with grain or two or salt, but the Farmers’ Almanac is one worth paying attention to. Below is a snapshot of what it sees occurring across the U.S. this winter. Note: it stays well-clear of EOTW AGW rhetoric; in fact, it isn’t calling for above average temperatures anywhere (unlike warm-mongering government agencies, such as NOAA).
Jupiter’s Hot Temperatures are caused by Auroras (i.e. Solar Activity) — this discovery has MAJOR implications for Earth’s Climate Models
At an average distance of 778 million kilometres (484 million miles) from the Sun, Jupiter should be cold. Based solely on the amount of sunlight reaching the planet, the upper atmosphere, in theory, should be no warmer than a frigid -73 Celsius (-100F); however, Jupiter, in reality, averages out at a scorching 426C (800F).
This has prompted head scratching for the past five decades. But the puzzle has just been solved, and, it turns out, the IPCC have had it all wrong.
An international team of astronomers using data from NASA’s Juno spacecraft, the W.M. Keck Observatory and Japan’s Hisaki satellite have pinned down the source of Jupiter’s toasty temps, reporting their findings in the journal Nature. “We found that Jupiter’s intense aurora, the most powerful in the solar system, is responsible for heating the entire planet’s upper atmosphere to surprisingly high temperatures,” said James O’Donoghue of the JAXA Institute of Space and Astronautical Science in Sagamihara, Japan.
Auroras are the result of disturbances in a planet’s magnetosphere caused by solar wind. These disturbances alter the trajectories of charged particles in the magnetospheric plasma. These particles, mainly electrons and protons, precipitate into the upper atmosphere, and thhe resulting ionization and excitation of atmospheric constituents emit light of varying color and complexity.
Most of the planets in the Solar System, some natural satellites, brown dwarfs, and even comets also host auroras. And while astronomers had previously considered auroras a possible explanation for Jupiter’s atmospheric heating, earlier models indicated heat from the polar regions would not reach lower latitudes because of high-speed winds powered by the planet’s swift rotation.
However, high-resolution temperature maps based on Keck observations of more than 10,000 data points, along with magnetic field data from Juno and Hisaki, have combined to paint a compelling picture: there appears to be a powerful atmospheric ‘heat pulse’ pushing down toward the equator.
“We’ve attempted this multiple times with other instruments but with Keck’s NIRSPEC (Near-Infrared Spectrograph), we were able to measure for the very first time the light from Jupiter all the way to the equator quickly enough that we can then map out the temperature and ionospheric density,” said Tom Stallard, a co-author of the paper at the University of Leicester.
Instead of seeing high temperatures confined only to the polar regions, the maps showed heat in the upper atmosphere was more widely spread out, gradually decreasing toward the equator.
“We also revealed a strange localized region of heating well away from the aurora — a long bar of heating unlike anything we’ve seen before,” said Stallard. “Though we can’t be sure what this feature is, I am convinced it’s a rolling wave of heat flowing equatorward from the aurora.”
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The earth is cooling as we inch nearer to a possible mini ice age, the solar minimum along with the pole shift causing magnetic anomalies are having a continual and rising effect on our climate...This is definitely the coolest summer I've experienced in North Carolina in the twenty plus years I've lived here...
Europe has been cooler than most summers even though they had a recent but short heat wave...Brazil recently had historic frost and snow that has ruined large portions of the world's corn and coffee crops this season, and look at Japan recently:
Japanese City Suffers Coldest Summer Temperature in 128-Years of Records
The MSM was keen to promote this year’s Olympic Games as potentially being the “hottest ever!”; but in reality, northern Japan is suffering all-time, never-before seen, record-breaking COLD — and it is going largely unreported.
In Japan’s northern island of Hokkaido, the city of Wakkanai registered a daily high of just 51F (10.5C) this week — this was the city’s lowest August reading in 128 years of books, so since 1893 (the Centennial/Gleissberg Minimum).
The mercury plunged even lower overnight, as you’d expect — an astonishing 36.7F (2.61C) was logged early Thursday morning, Aug 11, according to local news station TV Asahi.
Shocked residents spoke of being able see their breath, in the height of summer.
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It’s August and it’s snowing in Colorado and Utah!
This is pretty rare! It is August 20 and Officials already had to close roads due to white out conditions and ice in Utah and Colorado. No, you aren’t dreaming! That’s actually snow in Utah’s mountains — in August.
Snowbird Resort, located in Little Cottonwood Canyon, tweeted photos Thursday morning of modest snowfall — especially rare for August standards — as a result of the cold front passing through Utah this week. Utah Department of Transportation traffic cameras also picked up light snow in the High Uintas and other mountainous areas Thursday morning.
National Weather Service meteorologists said snow and “fall-like” temperatures are expected in areas above 9,000 feet Thursday with the trough that entered the state. Alta, also in the Cottonwood Canyons, had a forecasted high in the low 40s Thursday, according to the weather service.
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