Global Cooling or Global Warming?

3FEL9

Islander
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So far so good.

If you would be so kind, please respond to all the questions.

Explain your p comics strip
 

3FEL9

Islander
Just find two or more variables within one well confined data set. Match them and form your hypothesis.

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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
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So far so good.

If you would be so kind, please respond to all the questions.

I already did......not sure what jelly beans has to do with climatology.

But if you need me to I'll look up the definitions for the other two for you as I did for "p-hacking". Also I was taught to keep the percentage error/variance to below 0.5%......though at the beginning of the semester it was 1%.

Why don't we get back on topic now.
 

3FEL9

Islander
I already did......not sure what jelly beans has to do with climatology.

But if you need me to I'll look up the definitions for the other two for you as I did for "p-hacking". Also I was taught to keep the percentage error/variance to below 0.5%......though at the beginning of the semester it was 1%.

Why don't we get back on topic now.

In my line of work, it more than often worked the other way around.. The hypothesis reality did not concur with the hypothesis.
Solution. Deal with reality, fix the problem, write in the logbook, add new found knowledge to the theory..
Im not a scientist by any means :laugh8:
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
In my line of work, it more than often worked the other way around.. The hypothesis reality did not concur with the hypothesis.
Solution. Deal with reality, fix the problem, write in the logbook, add new found knowledge to the theory..
Im not a scientist by any means :laugh8:

I am a scientist......but the adapt, improvise and overcome then write in the logbook is still used often enough in the field.

Many hazardous waste sites are sampled 4 times a year to monitor the water quality.....though the procedures used are the same, the getting it done is quite different in each season. But it still gives the information to reach a valid conclusion in the quarterly monitoring report.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I am a scientist......but the adapt, improvise and overcome then write in the logbook is still used often enough in the field.

Many hazardous waste sites are sampled 4 times a year to monitor the water quality.....though the procedures used are the same, the getting it done is quite different in each season. But it still gives the information to reach a valid conclusion in the quarterly monitoring report.

I wondered about that once, if those highly hazardous site areas are tested in every season...What is the radius limit for testing soil and water tables?...
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
I wondered about that once, if those highly hazardous site areas are tested in every season...What is the radius limit for testing soil and water tables?...

The "radius" is determined by the geology, groundwater flow and the concentrations of the impacts based on groundwater standards of the area. The soils would have been classified during the drilling of the monitoring wells.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Some scientists think this next ice age we are entering will last a 100 years...

Carbon bounties (not taxes) could save us from the next Little Ice Age

One scientist who sees global warming receding as a threat — at least until the 2050s — is Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University in the U.K., whose research indicates that Earth will soon enter a new Little Ice Age that will last decades.

Her findings, which were first presented to the Royal Astronomical Society’s National Astronomy Meeting in Wales in 2015, have since gathered support from hundreds of researchers.


In past little ice ages — “they keep repeating every 350-400 years because the Sun goes through this minimum activity,” Zharkova explains — crops failed and people suffered. She believes global warming may prevent the worst of a new Little Ice Age from occurring and that it may even bring a silver lining, at least temporarily.

Other scientists, such as Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at the Russian Academy of Science’s Pulkovo Observatory in St. Petersburg and the author of the 2016 study, “The New Little Ice Age Has Started,” believes the Little Ice Age will last longer — about 100 years.

The reliability of Abdussamatov’s model — informed by Earth’s 18 earlier little ice ages over the past 7,500 years, six of them in the last thousand years — have been repeatedly affirmed by real events, such as irradiance measurements from the Sun.

The robustness of Abdussamatov’s model allowed him to predict in 2003 the advent of a new ice age by 2015. The models of all the scientists predicting warming, in contrast, have been proven by real events to be abject failures.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Some scientists think this next ice age we are entering will last a 100 years...

Carbon bounties (not taxes) could save us from the next Little Ice Age

One scientist who sees global warming receding as a threat — at least until the 2050s — is Valentina Zharkova at Northumbria University in the U.K., whose research indicates that Earth will soon enter a new Little Ice Age that will last decades.

Her findings, which were first presented to the Royal Astronomical Society’s National Astronomy Meeting in Wales in 2015, have since gathered support from hundreds of researchers.

In past little ice ages — “they keep repeating every 350-400 years because the Sun goes through this minimum activity,” Zharkova explains — crops failed and people suffered. She believes global warming may prevent the worst of a new Little Ice Age from occurring and that it may even bring a silver lining, at least temporarily.

Other scientists, such as Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of space research at the Russian Academy of Science’s Pulkovo Observatory in St. Petersburg and the author of the 2016 study, “The New Little Ice Age Has Started,” believes the Little Ice Age will last longer — about 100 years.

The reliability of Abdussamatov’s model — informed by Earth’s 18 earlier little ice ages over the past 7,500 years, six of them in the last thousand years — have been repeatedly affirmed by real events, such as irradiance measurements from the Sun.

The robustness of Abdussamatov’s model allowed him to predict in 2003 the advent of a new ice age by 2015. The models of all the scientists predicting warming, in contrast, have been proven by real events to be abject failures.

The "little Ice Age" lasted from about 1400 to about 1850......so 100 years won't be so bad. All we need is an eruption by a volcano similar to Mount Tamboura in 1815 and you'll get a new little ice age.....but only a short one of 100 years or so. The odd thing is that Mount Agung is only 150 miles away and getting set to erupt. So no one knows what will happen.
 

August

Metanoia
Al Gore promulgates a 20 foot sea rise due to climate change yet still buys mansions by the sea.

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CasualBystander

Celestial
I already did......not sure what jelly beans has to do with climatology.

But if you need me to I'll look up the definitions for the other two for you as I did for "p-hacking". Also I was taught to keep the percentage error/variance to below 0.5%......though at the beginning of the semester it was 1%.

Why don't we get back on topic now.
"Sigh".

If you don't know the validity of the data we might as well be on the porch chewing our cud, drinking beer, and swapping lies.

In the XKCD cartoon what is the probability that if I try to reproduce the green jelly bean experiment that I will be successful? In other words is the result reproducible?

A hint: it can be "determined by inspection", that is an engineering term of art that means if you look at the problem the answer is frickin' obvious.

For bonus points what is the actual probability his experiment will produce an anomalous result (it isn't 100% as he indicates).
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
"Sigh".

If you don't know the validity of the data we might as well be on the porch chewing our cud, drinking beer, and swapping lies.

In the XKCD cartoon what is the probability that if I try to reproduce the green jelly bean experiment that I will be successful? In other words is the result reproducible?

Drinking beer sounds better to me.....:drinks:.

There are to many variables to say for sure it would be reproducible.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Well we are in a warming trend.

That has ended recently it appears, now we are in a cooling trend and its going to get colder, there will probably still be some heat spikes but should diminish if the claims I posted above holds merit...
 

Caeldeth

Noble
That has ended recently it appears, now we are in a cooling trend and its going to get colder, there will probably still be some heat spikes but should diminish if the claims I posted above holds merit...

It has not ended. The United States isn't the only place in the world. The earth as a whole has been warming for years. The cold we are having in the United States is due to the fact that arctic sea ice and a warming arctic is causing displacement within the arctic vortex.

For the most part, I'm staying well away from this conversation. I simply can't stand climate change deniers and I would rather them waddle in there own stupidity. I feel like I would make to much sense for them to really grasp anything I say.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
That has ended recently it appears, now we are in a cooling trend and its going to get colder, there will probably still be some heat spikes but should diminish if the claims I posted above holds merit...

Gore's movie showed we were getting close to the next ice age.......but its hard to say for sure the short term warming trend has ended. Its going to take at least 100 years to say for sure if it has begun the next ice age.

If Mount Agung erupts to its full potential we'll vet our new ice age faster than the near geologic future.
 
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