Heavy Science. Time Travel.

Gambeir

Celestial
This is a good one. I agree entirely with Michio Kaku's position which he states at about 7:04 that he believes in the principle of democracy. The problem is the interviewer who hasn't yet figured out what's wrong with the democracies of the world, and she thinks it's the democratic system rather than the corrupting power of bribes for votes and the infiltration of organized crime inside the State Security apparatchik.

The interviewer means well but is unfortunately a tool.

RT is a stooge outfit for the global elites and you can see that by it's anti~civil rights based propaganda. I think RT is even more dangerous than the corporate mouths of all the others, as this broadcaster is hipster oriented and it's marketing of anti~individual rights under the guise of gun control, failed democratic government, and endless other abuses under the corrupted state.

Kaku's problem is he isn't where I'm at yet. He doesn't understand just yet how to deal with this sort of attack. The problem is rather simple. Wealth sat up and took notice of the success of organized labor and decided that they needed to also organize, which they did, and now we have Top Corporate dictators running massive pyramids of bussiness associations who get to legally donate tax free money to these pyramids of power which then basically run the the entire political system. When I say entire I mean just that. From local politic's to the highest level it's all over~seen by the Apparatchik of State Security, run primarily as a for profit enterprise with taxation, fines, and assorted forms of legalized theft.

The problem is as old a humankind. If a way can be found to corrupt and overthrow a system then the psychopaths of power will find that way. The problem is money, it's way too much money in far too little hands, and it's way, way, way too much power and independence of the law by corporate rulers. In fact, it's fair to say that there are now two forms of law; those which apply to us and those which apply to corporate rulership. Spying, blacklisting, accessing private information, blackmailing, terrorizing, you name it the corporations of the world have now got it legalized in their own private set of rights.

Get rid of what little democratic rights and personal liberties we have left and those who do will see the return of the Pharaoh. Which is the whole idea don't ya see...?

All of you out there .....bow down and kiss my arse.... that's what all psychopaths want: Absolute control, and I'm afraid I find RT is a front for this agenda, the agenda is to create a royal ruling class of elite overlords, backed up by technology which is so secret (not advanced) that it's basically magical> The stage is being set.

 
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The thing is Thomas that I'm not buying the alien vehicle meme. There's nothing I saw which in least told me this was an machine which humans could not create, especially when you add up the money which has been dumped wholesale in to the defense industry for the last 75 years.
The trillions of dollars funneled out of our economy in recent decades is real, definitely. Is this money being spent to create a breakaway civilization? Maybe - or maybe it's just being funneled into the pockets of the billionaires who completely control our government. But have humans figured out how to produce dramatic and virtually instantaneous accelerations in defiance of the laws of inertia and gravity? I doubt that very much.

You're using circular reasoning: you begin with the assumption that these craft are human in origin...then assume that the missing trillions have gone into making vast technological strides that remain even beyond our most advanced theoretical physics research...and then conclude that these devices are human in origin and paid for by our stolen money.

One of the major problems with your reasoning is this: these types of radical performance characteristics have been observed for over 70 years. So for those early sightings to be human in origin, some totally hidden society with its own industrial complex, would have had to invent and perfect a form of gravitational field propulsion technology by the 1940s - they'd have to be at least a century ahead of our modern technology out here in the private sector. That's not a tenable hypothesis. It may not be 100% impossible, but it's at least 99.9999999999% improbable. Because over 70 years after the first UFO sightings demonstrated inertia-defying maneuvers, we still haven't even seen an extremely modest proof-of-principle experiment that shows us that such a thing is even technologically foreseeable.

So it's all but certain that you're on the wrong track Gambeir; these craft aren't ours. I'm sure that we have some very impressive secret aircraft tucked away, but it's far more likely that we've been visited by alien civilizations for at least 70 years, and probably throughout human history.

Here's another problem with your thesis: if it really were so easy to make a device that can totally defy inertia as you and me and many others have witnessed...then any technological civilization would be able to do it shortly after the advent of incandescent lighting, and thereby traverse interstellar distances with ease. Which makes the case for alien visitation even stronger.

So any way you cut it, all roads lead to Rome: we're not alone, and many if not most of the AAVs being reported in our skies are not of human origin.

I haven't got the foggiest idea why anyone would think that alien visitation is unlikely, given the billions of habitable worlds in our galaxy alone, and the statistical fact that our Earth is on average 3 billions years behind the mean age of comparable warm Earth-like worlds in the universe. Given what we now know, the least likely possibility is that we haven't been visited by alien civilizations.
 
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Gambeir

Celestial
OK, well you can disagree with me but certainly I haven't revealed all my cards.

Aliens cannot be visiting this planet with ships that only move at mach 40 or 50, which however blindingly fast are still just not fast enough, because as you probably already know the earth is moving at a combined speed in excess of a half million miles per hour and in several different directions, combined with being a speck of dirt so tiny that it didn't even register one single pixel on the only image we have taken by Voyager. I cannot fathom that any alien race could find us or our planet so inviting that they would come here, let alone find the joint, and to what ends? Certainly not for the politics, laws, or religions.

This place we humans are stuck on is so remote that whatever aliens there might be are probably ones trying to hide out and blend in.

voyager1palebluedot.jpg


Voyager 1 – the Pale Blue Dot
This image, captured by NASA’s Voyager 1 spacecraft on February 14, 1990, is the one Sagan was talking about. It was taken when Voyager 1 was about 6.4 billion kilometres (4 billion miles) from Earth. In this image, the entirety of the planet takes up less than a single pixel; in fact, NASA calculated that we’re only 0.12 pixel in size. Sagan pushed the agency to capture images of all the planets in the Solar System, to create a family portrait seen from Voyager’s distant position.
Photos of the Earth and Moon - From Other Worlds - Universe Today

The other problem is that it is known that corporations began working on so~called antigravity immediately after WWII. Companies like Hiller Aviation went completely black and disappeared but their accounts of their early work have managed to seep out, and so we know for sure that this topic was under national security in the early 1950's and that those involved were working under those conditions.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
That mass modulation mechanism is based on the stress-energy tensor that describes the properties of a photonic metamaterial, which of course corresponds to the stress-energy-momentum tensor in general relativity. So the coupling mechanism in this scenario would be the pressure terms in the Einstein stress-energy tensor.

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Helpful to illustrate what the stress-energy tensor is.

There is an assumption that the quantity is continuous and not discrete.
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Although these discussions have some informative value, the evident usefulness of Einsteinian Physics in understanding the cartography of space and of gravitation is far too obtuse to be of any real value to real world concerns. As far as I'm concerned it's a failure on a number of accounts.

Three generations of physicists and mathematicans have wasted their lives following Einsteinian Physics bankrupt idea of gravity and which has providedly little other than mathematical pornography. It has offered the most implausible and un~helpful explanations for observed facts; specifically observed phenomena of mechanical vehicles defying gravity, moving at speeds which no known earth machine can, along with a plethora of other observed phenomena. To wed yourself to this idea that it is capable of explaining basically everything is to deny it's manifest grand failure.

Space-time is an imaginary construct of Hermann Minkowski, which Einstein grafted his ideas on, but the original non-Euclidion geometry of Riemann only considered space as a continuum of volume. Riemann did not present time as a separate dimension. Space-time as a fourth dimension is a product of Minkowski’s imagination. While the Einsteinian philosophy of a space~time continuum also requires the curving of non~Euclidion geometry of space.

Nikola Tesla characterized the notion of curved space~time as delusional and entirely impossible. Einstein also did not think an atomic bomb was feasible. We owe almost all our modern world to Tesla, what do we owe Einstein? Now I ask which is more wasteful time wise? I just don't think you're ever going to get anywhere at all with these ideas.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Although these discussions have some informative value, the evident usefulness of Einsteinian Physics in understanding the cartography of space and of gravitation is far too obtuse to be of any real value to real world concerns. As far as I'm concerned it's a failure on a number of accounts.

Three generations of physicists and mathematicans have wasted their lives following Einsteinian Physics bankrupt idea of gravity and which has providedly little other than mathematical pornography. It has offered the most implausible and un~helpful explanations for observed facts; specifically observed phenomena of mechanical vehicles defying gravity, moving at speeds which no known earth machine can, along with a plethora of other observed phenomena. To weed yourself to this idea that it is capable of explaining basically everything is to deny it's manifest grand failure.

Space-time is an imaginary construct of Hermann Minkowski, which Einstein grafted his ideas on, but the original non-Euclidion geometry of Riemann only considered space as a continuum of volume. Riemann did not present time as a separate dimension. Space-time as a fourth dimension is a product of Minkowski’s imagination. While the Einsteinian philosophy of a space~time continuum also requires the curving of non~Euclidion geometry of space.

Nikola Tesla characterized the notion of curved space~time as delusional and entirely impossible. Einstein also did not think an atomic bomb was feasible. We owe almost all our modern world to Tesla, what do we owe Einstein? Now I ask which is more wasteful time wise?
I like Tesla, But let us not forget, Tesla Was eccentric, He fell madly in love with pigeons. But. As I write this very sentence, I realize how madly in love with my Dogs that I am and it renders this whole statement moot. Yet. here is something interesting about Tesla. Nikola Tesla and Pigeons

literal Quote from the article: Tesla~ “Yes, I loved that pigeon, I loved her as a man loves a woman, and she loved me.”
 

Gambeir

Celestial
I like Tesla, But let us not forget, Tesla Was eccentric, He fell madly in love with pigeons. But. As I write this very sentence, I realize how madly in love with my Dogs that I am and it renders this whole statement moot. Yet. here is something interesting about Tesla. Nikola Tesla and Pigeons

literal Quote from the article: Tesla~ “Yes, I loved that pigeon, I loved her as a man loves a woman, and she loved me.”

Yes, but Einstein also was fascinated by Zippers and often forgot where he lived, though still on the Princeton Campus, and had to ask for directions back home. Typically sayings something like; "Hi, I'm Albert Einstein, do you know where I live?"

According to Otto Skorzeny, he and Gen. Reinhard Gehlen murdered Telsa in his apartment by strangulation and then stole important papers. Evidently while under the protection of the CIA.
Otto Skorzeny - Wikipedia
The CIA and Nazi War Criminals
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Yes, but Einstein also was fascinated by Zippers and often forgot where he lived, though still on the Princeton Campus, and had to ask for directions back home. Typically sayings something like; "Hi, I'm Albert Einstein, do you know where I live?"

According to Otto Skorzeny, he and Gen. Reinhard Gehlen murdered Telsa in his apartment by strangulation and then stole important papers. Evidently while under the protection of the CIA.
Otto Skorzeny - Wikipedia
The CIA and Nazi War Criminals
You make a very Valid and accurate point there. True genius can be eccentric :)
I didn't know about the Murder, I'm reading up on that now, Thank you for the links
 

Gambeir

Celestial
Anyways, that's what I'm told about Einstein, it's not like I've read a biography on his life, but I'm sure others here have and could either validate or refute that allegation.

The basic idea is not that Einsteinian physics is so bankrupt that it has no value: That might be slightly excessive. Rather the basic idea is that the world of physics and mathematics is far too detached and removed from real world work.

The fact that ideas can be supported with mathematical proofs is not in itself evidence of factual truths, merely projections based on preconceived notions about why something is as it is, and then finding a way to describe it mathematically. That's not evidence of factual reality in my opinion.

Let us ask ourselves what magnetism to begin with, because to me gravity is nothing more than mass moving in inertial planes and held together by magnetism. Magnetism is present in virutally all natural bodies. You can measure the amount of magnetism in an ordinary rock. Tesla said gravity hides in the shadows. Now what shadows was he talking about? In the shadows of magnetism and inertial force?
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Anyways, that's what I'm told about Einstein, it's not like I've read a biography on his life, but I'm sure others here have and could either validate or refute that allegation.

The basic idea is not that Einsteinian physics is so bankrupt that it has no value: That might be slightly excessive. Rather the basic idea is that the world of physics and mathematics is far too detached and removed from real world work.

The fact that ideas can be supported with mathematical proofs is not in itself evidence of factual truths, merely projections based on preconceived notions about why something is as it is, and then finding a way to describe it mathematically. That's not evidence of factual reality in my opinion.

Let us ask ourselves what magnetism to begin with, because to me gravity is nothing more than mass moving in inertial planes and held together by magnetism. Magnetism is present in virutally all natural bodies. You can measure the amount of magnetism in an ordinary rock. Tesla said gravity hides in the shadows. Now what shadows was he talking about? In the shadows of magnetism and inertial force?
No, It's true. at least from my research into gifted people, The strength of mind at it's prime doesn't seem to match the fragility of mental health. very often. The most intelligent people Will break down in the most catastrophic ways it seems.
I give you an Example, Of a man, I've spoken to actually. On five or six occasions, James Woods. I know it seems weird. But I'm a twitter guy, He's a twitter guy. We've spoken. Umm, I know the man to be a highly intellectual man. yet. In recent years. he's become a Republican Bulldog. And Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about political alignments. People can and should support what they want. No, It's not that. James has been slipping into this Angry, Abusive trollish state toward people who don't agree with his views.

I think that's one thing, We all understand here. You can't get angry and abusive with people just because they don't agree with someone's opinion, It's just not in the intellectual element. But James is slipping. It makes me sad :(
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
No, It's true. at least from my research into gifted people, The strength of mind at it's prime doesn't seem to match the fragility of mental health. very often. The most intelligent people Will break down in the most catastrophic ways it seems.
I give you an Example, Of a man, I've spoken to actually. On five or six occasions, James Woods. I know it seems weird. But I'm a twitter guy, He's a twitter guy. We've spoken. Umm, I know the man to be a highly intellectual man. yet. In recent years. he's become a Republican Bulldog. And Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying anything about political alignments. People can and should support what they want. No, It's not that. James has been slipping into this Angry, Abusive trollish state toward people who don't agree with his views.

I think that's one thing, We all understand here. You can't get angry and abusive with people just because they don't agree with someone's opinion, It's just not in the intellectual element. But James is slipping. It makes me sad :(

Well...

I have to defend Woods.

When you are dealing with people that are simply drooling delusional it gets on your nerves.

Fortunately, I am relentlessly polite and don't fall into this trap (often). I just point out the facts and don't feel compelled to browbeat someone until they change their mind. If someone wants to be deluded - it isn't up to me to save them.


Also - I'm aware of my knowledge has limitations, and that even people who seem completely off their nut will have a valid point once in a while because of the blind squirrel/stopped clock principle.

Also - Woods has an IQ that is reportedly around 180. For Woods to have a discussion with normal people is like a sighted person discussing color with the blind.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Well...

I have to defend Woods.

When you are dealing with people that are simply drooling delusional it gets on your nerves.

Fortunately, I am relentlessly polite and don't fall into this trap (often). I just point out the facts and don't feel compelled to browbeat someone until they change their mind. If someone wants to be deluded - it isn't up to me to save them.


Also - I'm aware of my knowledge has limitations, and that even people who seem completely off their nut will have a valid point once in a while because of the blind squirrel/stopped clock principle.

Also - Woods has an IQ that is reportedly around 180. For Woods to have a discussion with normal people is like a sighted person discussing color with the blind.

I do like the man, But I see it from both sides really. He has all these fans. he insults some of them. You can tell it's humiliating for them sometimes. It may go beyond politics. Perhaps. It's even as simple as the more fame a person has. the louder his Voice seems to be in the public eye. Maybe. People are just focusing too much on his impact and not what he's actually saying.
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
I do like the man, But I see it from both sides really. He has all these fans. he insults some of them. You can tell it's humiliating for them sometimes. It may go beyond politics. Perhaps. It's even as simple as the more fame a person has. the louder his Voice seems to be in the public eye. Maybe. People are just focusing too much on his impact and not what he's actually saying.

I live near DC.

I understand what Woods is exposed to.

This discussion needs to move to another thread.

But I don't see anything wrong with Wood's tweets, he just observes the obvious:

James Woods Latest Tweet Has Obama Fans Howling With Rage

A presidential library without presidential papers. Like the entire eight year con job that was this fraudulent presidency, this “center” is, in the words of the lawsuit filed against it, a “typical Chicago play, a short con shell game.” #ObamaCon
 

CasualBystander

Celestial
Do have a question for TM who understands this stuff better than I do:

What exactly is the nature of subspace?

All this information about visible mass and charge has to be communicated (like router advertising packets in an IP network).

That implies that subspace is sea of virtual particles.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Do have a question for TM who understands this stuff better than I do:

What exactly is the nature of subspace?

All this information about visible mass and charge has to be communicated (like router advertising packets in an IP network).

That implies that subspace is sea of virtual particles.
Outside of mathematics, Subspace is fictional bro. Though Virtual particles do exist.
There is some Debate that you could call the space within a wormhole a Subspace. But. that's a whole different debate.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Do have a question for TM who understands this stuff better than I do:

What exactly is the nature of subspace?

All this information about visible mass and charge has to be communicated (like router advertising packets in an IP network).

That implies that subspace is sea of virtual particles.
Though, I do tend to see your point, Where do virtual particles Go, Where do they come from, Yes, I see that point.
 
OK, well you can disagree with me but certainly I haven't revealed all my cards.

Aliens cannot be visiting this planet with ships that only move at mach 40 or 50
You're making the totally unsupportable assumption that you know the top speed of these devices - you can't possibly know that Mach 40 or 50 is their top speed. More likely, that's the top speed that we could measure. There are lots of cases where these devices seem to simply vanish instantaneously, and that could simply mean that they moved too fast to see.

There's no theoretical limit to the upper velocity of a gravitational field propulsion system, and these devices exhibit all of the expected performance characteristics of that kind of propulsion mechanism. In fact gravitational field propulsion is the only propulsion principle in the canon of physics which permits, at least theoretically, superluminal speeds. No other physical mechanism can boast that claim, because matter and fields in all other contexts are limited by the speed of light.

So, given the eerily consistent performance characteristic exhibited by the craft we've observed for the last 70+ years, they're using a gravitational field propulsion system, and that in turn means that they could be arriving here from another star system many light-years away, in an arbitrarily short span of time, with no time dilation effects. In principle, they could get here from another star in an hour, for example - the speed would only be limited to the field intensity capabilities of their technology.

I cannot fathom that any alien race could find us or our planet so inviting that they would come here, let alone find the joint, and to what ends?
That's faulty logic. Our greatest interest in other worlds is finding life, and more specifically, finding intelligent life. If we could travel to any world in our galactic vicinity, and of 10,000 candidates we knew that one in particularly showed promise for being a habitable living world, then that's the one we'd visit for study.

This place we humans are stuck on is so remote that whatever aliens there might be are probably ones trying to hide out and blend in.

Voyager 1 – the Pale Blue Dot
This image, captured by NASA’s Voyager 1 spacecraft on February 14, 1990, is the one Sagan was talking about. It was taken when Voyager 1 was about 6.4 billion kilometres (4 billion miles) from Earth. In this image, the entirety of the planet takes up less than a single pixel; in fact, NASA calculated that we’re only 0.12 pixel in size. Sagan pushed the agency to capture images of all the planets in the Solar System, to create a family portrait seen from Voyager’s distant position.
Photos of the Earth and Moon - From Other Worlds - Universe Today
We're already finding warm Earth-like worlds orbiting other stars in our galactic vicinity via the Kepler Mission. So any civilization as technologically advanced as ours could do the same. And any civilization that's even more advanced than us - say, civilizations with warp field propulsion capabilities, would probably not only be capable of finding the earth, but also identifying the signatures of widespread biological processes in our atmosphere, and perhaps even the signature of artificial light on the side shadowed by the Sun. And they'd probably also notice the thousands of enormous EMP blasts produced every time we've detonated a nuclear warhead.

The other problem is that it is known that corporations began working on so~called antigravity immediately after WWII.
Well that shoots your theory out of the water, then. Because we have reports of these craft exhibiting the dramatic flight characteristics of a gravitational field propulsion system from that same time, and earlier (the Foo Fighters, for example). It takes time to develop a theory of operation, to run experiments with it, to manufacture prototypes, and to then produce working devices. Developing a field propulsion technology with the capabilities widely reported throughout the 40s would take decades, at a minimum. Out here in the public sector, we still haven't been able to move a grain of sand in a lab setting using gravitational field technology. In fact we haven't even been able to envision a feasible technological approach to that kind of technology. So the idea that anyone on Earth had fully functioning craft using this form of propulsion 70 years ago is inconceivable.

Although these discussions have some informative value, the evident usefulness of Einsteinian Physics in understanding the cartography of space and of gravitation is far too obtuse to be of any real value to real world concerns. As far as I'm concerned it's a failure on a number of accounts.

Three generations of physicists and mathematicans have wasted their lives following Einsteinian Physics bankrupt idea of gravity and which has providedly little other than mathematical pornography.
That's absurd. General relativity (GR) has not only described all known gravitational phenomena to extremely high precision (to within the limits of even modern observational acuity), but it also predicted a raft of entirely new and unexpected phenomena, like gravitational waves, which have recently been detected for the first time - a century after they were first predicted. General relativity's enormous theoretical and observational utility is only matched by quantum field theory (QFT). And GR has done this with a far more elegant theoretical framework than QFT. So it's the greatest scientific achievement in the history of physics, indisputably.

It has offered the most implausible and un~helpful explanations for observed facts; specifically observed phenomena of mechanical vehicles defying gravity
This is exactly wrong: general relativity has provided the only viable explanation for the performance characteristics of the AAV phenomenon. The only remaining difficulty is a technological one, not a theoretical one. GR explicitly describes how these craft are propelling themselves - we just can't emulate it yet.

To wed yourself to this idea that it is capable of explaining basically everything is to deny it's manifest grand failure.
What "grand failure?" In every applicable regime, GR has triumphed. In fact, in every testable scenario, we still haven't been able to find even a tiny deviation from its predictions.

Space-time is an imaginary construct of Hermann Minkowski, which Einstein grafted his ideas on, but the original non-Euclidion geometry of Riemann only considered space as a continuum of volume. Riemann did not present time as a separate dimension. Space-time as a fourth dimension is a product of Minkowski’s imagination. While the Einsteinian philosophy of a space~time continuum also requires the curving of non~Euclidion geometry of space.
I see that you still haven't looked at that Clifford Will review paper that I've cited here on multiple occasions. All non-metric theories of gravitation have been ruled out. Spacetime is a manifold and distortions in that manifold produce gravitational accelerations. The theory and the observations affirm that model perfectly and in concert. To deny it is an expression of ignorance.

Nikola Tesla characterized the notion of curved space~time as delusional and entirely impossible. Einstein also did not think an atomic bomb was feasible. We owe almost all our modern world to Tesla, what do we owe Einstein? Now I ask which is more wasteful time wise? I just don't think you're ever going to get anywhere at all with these ideas.
Telsa predicted none of the gravitational phenomena that we know about today – Einstein’s theory did. And the principle of the atomic bomb is founded on his famous equation E = mc^2, so he may not have thought it feasible at first (he wasn’t a nuclear physicist, after all), but it couldn’t have been built without his equation. Same goes for nuclear power plants, the LIGO facilities around the world, the gravitational lensing effects that astronomers now use routinely, the Global Positioning System, and the Large Hadron Collider – all of our greatest accomplishments today are due in large part to Einstein’s theories of relativity, and we still haven’t fully exploited the power of his theories. So your cynicism about his work is totally unfounded.

The fact that ideas can be supported with mathematical proofs is not in itself evidence of factual truths, merely projections based on preconceived notions about why something is as it is, and then finding a way to describe it mathematically. That's not evidence of factual reality in my opinion.
That’s why the huge body of observational and experimental confirmation of his theoretical work is so central to this argument.

Let us ask ourselves what magnetism to begin with, because to me gravity is nothing more than mass moving in inertial planes and held together by magnetism. Magnetism is present in virutally all natural bodies. You can measure the amount of magnetism in an ordinary rock. Tesla said gravity hides in the shadows. Now what shadows was he talking about? In the shadows of magnetism and inertial force?
Gravitation is not magnetism, we know this. Gravitation is a rank-2 tensor field, magnetism is a rank-1 field. So magnetism cannot model gravitation; it’s insufficiently complex, and the magnitude of the gravitational field is given correctly by the mass-energy content of a physical body, not the strength of its magnetic field. If gravity were simply a form of magnetism, diamagnetic materials like bismuth would fall away from the Earth into space. So this notion makes no sense.
 
Do have a question for TM who understands this stuff better than I do:

What exactly is the nature of subspace?

All this information about visible mass and charge has to be communicated (like router advertising packets in an IP network).

That implies that subspace is sea of virtual particles.
You're asking about nature of the quantum vacuum. This is a hugely complicated topic filled with giant controversies that most people aren't even aware of. It would take weeks of in-depth discussion to convey what we know, what we think we know, and what we know we're wrong about - and to describe the various attempts at finding theoretical and interpretative solutions to it all.

We've devoted several episodes of our Physics Frontiers podcast to this subject, which would probably be a good place to start:

Physics Frontiers | Free Podcasts | PodOmatic"

I suggest that we begin a new thread devoted the topic, because it's a lot to go over, and it doesn't have any direct relation to the subject of time travel.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
You're asking about nature of the quantum vacuum. This is a hugely complicated topic filled with giant controversies that most people aren't even aware of. It would take weeks of in-depth discussion to convey what we know, what we think we know, and what we know we're wrong about - and to describe the various attempts at finding theoretical and interpretative solutions to it all.

We've devoted several episodes of our Physics Frontiers podcast to this subject, which would probably be a good place to start:

Physics Frontiers | Free Podcasts | PodOmatic"

I suggest that we begin a new thread devoted the topic, because it's a lot to go over, and it doesn't have any direct relation to the subject of time travel.
Wait are you saying, Subspace exists? The quantum Vaccum Leads into Zero point field.
 
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