House Panel to Hold Public Hearing on Unexplained Aerial Sightings

[Todd Feinman]

It makes me laugh to think of the foolish "scientific" people I have debated on other forums... Refusing to believe that UFOs are real, and preferring to bury their heads in the sand and believe they are optical illusions --without ever studying the history of the phenomenon or listening to witness testimony, and not surprisingly it came back to bite them in their arses --just as I said it would. So..... HA HA!!!

 

[nivek]

Former Minuteman commander slams Pentagon officials for saying they knew nothing about UFO incident that shutdown nuclear missiles at US airbase in 1967 because he reported it to DoD LAST YEAR

A former Minuteman commander at a secret nuclear silo has slammed Pentagon officials for telling Congress they had no information about UFOs shutting down intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBMs) at a military base in 1967 – even after he reported the incident to the UFO task force last year.

Robert Salas was on-duty commander of the underground launch facility at Malmstrom Air Force Base in Montana in March 1967 when a mysterious red orb allegedly flew over and all ten of their nuclear missiles inexplicably shut down for several hours.

He reported the shocking incident to his superiors at the time, has told his story repeatedly over the past two decades, and reported the incident to the government's UFO task force in 2021.

In an exclusive interview with DailyMail.com, the ex Air Force captain said task force officials told him last summer they already knew about the incident and didn't need to speak to him.

But when asked about the case in an historic congressional hearing Tuesday, Pentagon chiefs said they had no data on it – leaving Salas, 81, 'disappointed and shocked.'

Deputy Director of Naval Intelligence Scott Bray and Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence and Security Ronald Moultrie were grilled by the House Intelligence Committee Tuesday in the first public hearing on UFOs in over 50 years.

When asked about the Malmstrom incident, Bray told lawmakers: 'That data is not within the holdings of the UAP [unidentified aerial phenomena] task force… I have heard stories, I have not seen the official data on that.'

Salas held a press conference in Washington DC last October to raise awareness of the incident and other UFO-related shutdowns of nuclear missiles.

He told DailyMail.com that before the event he sent his evidence to the Department of Defense (DoD) Inspector General who was reviewing the work of the government's UFO unit.

'I sent the Inspector General my information, documents, my story in some detail, and of course invited them specifically to attend my press conference in DC,' Salas said.

'After the conference, I contacted somebody who was in touch with the UAP Task Force. The response I got was: "We already know your story so unless you've got something new, we don't need to hear what you've got to say".'

'That's why it shocked me that Mr. Moultrie didn't seem to know anything about it – or if he did, he was wanting to avoid the topic.

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[Dejan Corovic]

It makes me laugh to think of the foolish "scientific" people I have debated on other forums...

What forum was that, if you don't mind.


Yeah, scientists struggle for survival in highly competitive environments in which one had to be constantly be bringing money for new cutting edge research. If a scientist came up with a loose talk about UFOs that he can't back up with solid evidence, he would be immediately branded as a wacko and his carrier would be ruined. Practically nobody will give him any money for research and he would be finished.

Root problem is that one can not apply maths of General Relativity (GR) on Quantum Mechanics (QM). Both GR and QM are highly accurate theories, GR down to 10^-5 and QM down to 10^-12 ( or something like that ). Generally speaking GR allows for UFOs, but without maths we have no cheap way of seeing that just with pencil & paper. Experiments are expensive and cost millions, so nobody wants to be seen as wasting money ( at leas in public sector ).

Enter black projects, they can waste money at a drop of a hat, but they won't tell you what they found, weather it worked or not.

1. They want to dispel the stigma around reporting UAPs and encourage military personnel to report them and those reports will be part of the ongoing effort to understand UAPs.

This is particularly encouraging.

 

[Todd Feinman]

What forum was that, if you don't mind.

I started I think in 2011 or 2012 on Above Top Secret, trying to tell folks about my experience, but too much noise there.
Then I mentioned my experience on the Bronze Age Forum, and then went to Historum where myself and two other folks battled skeptics for years, and the first research into the old articles which are now here were posted; we pretty much defeated the skeptics there, but you know... They never admit defeat --like Python's Black Knight..
For some years I avoided mentioning my second experience, as I thought it would be too much for folks to believe that I had more than one, but no more. And, I would love to take lie detector tests --bring 'em on
Then onto the Fortean Forum --the densest forum I have posted on, with the most ignorant skeptics --not all of them there, mind you, there were also so me good folks there. Then I resigned my membership there and came here, and brought the article archive.
I also made about 15 presentations on UFOS at the Adult Community Center in my city over a 10 year period, and have met many other UFO experiencers, including the woman I mentioned who knew General Craigie...
I am Todd Feinman, and I posted under my real name everywhere but at ATS, and here. I think I'll ask Nivek if I can change my forum name to my real name here, too.
BTW, you won't find a single post about UFOs anywhere online before May 14, 2010. although I did think UFOs were real before 2010, I thought a person had a better chance of being struck by lightning than seeing one, and never thought I would see them. I had other interests, having always been interested in the occult. I don't see a link between my occult interests I have had in the past and my UFO experiences, unless that was taken into account algorithmically or something, These were physical objects emitting energy, and completely different than anything I have ever seen...

 

[Todd Feinman]

Oh yeah, I was on Metabunk for a short period. Wow... Just Wow. I can't wait to see what will happen with those folks eventually; they will say they were just approaching things "scientifically" while ignoring witness testimony and not studying past encounters... Sad. Their minds were made up from the beginning, That is not "scientific" at all.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Behold! It is amazing how skeptics have suggested ridiculous explanations for UFO encounters:

1. Electro-optical artifacts, bokeh: Ask the witnesses! Also they are often detected by multiple systems. At a crime scene, detectives don't just look at blurry photos and make conclusions about what happened; they interview witnesses. That is how trials are conducted, and this is no different. Also, circumstantial evidence IS evidence. Now we know they are not just illusions, so skeptics tried to make a generalization about the whole phenomenon from a few blurry images, and are now seen to be: wrong.

2. Our own tech? Ridiculous. Look at the history, where are the prototypes, never would be used in the ways they are encountered, terrible way to hide a secret weapon, wouldn't fly them over airports, schools, etc. for decades, try to intercept them, worry about them, study them. Period. Ridiculous.

3. Chinese or Russian tech? Really? Think again about how they are being used and where, and the historicity of the phenomenon, and see #2 again. Ridiculous.

4. Natural phenomena. Ridiculous; objects are physical and under control, fly over bases and military training sites, natural phenomena don't do things like that. Ridiculous.

It's as if the skeptics never even thought through their explanations for UFOs!

I hate to sound like a broken record, but everyone should read ALL of these old accounts!! This is where the accumulated information about encounters over a long period of time exists. And they are mind-blowing!

 

[The shadow]

Key lawmaker warns at UFO hearing: 'Unidentified aerial phenomena are a potential national security threat' - CNNPolitics

So the UFO may be from Russia? China?
Hate to break it to him but they been seen there to! In world war 2 we saw unknown craft we called foo fighters we assumed they were enemy craft.
But German and Japanese pilot saw them to and thought they were ours..
No one on earth can answer "what are UFOs?" I can guess.. ALIEN

 

[Todd Feinman]

Key lawmaker warns at UFO hearing: 'Unidentified aerial phenomena are a potential national security threat' - CNNPolitics

So the UFO may be from Russia? China?
Hate to break it to him but they been seen there to! In world war 2 we saw unknown craft we called foo fighters we assumed they were enemy craft.
But German and Japanese pilot saw them to and thought they were ours..
No one on earth can answer "what are UFOs?" I can guess.. ALIEN

Exactly. There is no way they are from Russia or China. Especially given the historicity of the phenomenon.
Actually, NO aspect of the phenomenon suggests and earhtly origin. All of the evidence suggests they are not from earth.
From Gods > Airships > Foo Fighters > UFOs > UAPs

"According to Brennan, some of the phenomena we’re seeing “could involve some type of activity that some might say constitutes a different form of life.” U.S. Navy pilots who have actually seen the Tic Tac craft are even more direct, with one telling the Post it was “Something not from the Earth.”


UFOs display tech US doesn’t have and can’t defend against, ex-intelligence chief Ratcliffe says

“That report started while I was the DNI. I was hoping to get it out, or some version of it out, before I left. Getting that information out to a declassified public level was difficult, but I’m actually glad that there’s a report out there,” Ratcliffe said. “Look, the bottom line is, unidentified aerial phenomena — many, many cases we’re able to explain it away for reasons like visual disturbances, or weather phenomenon, or foreign adversaries and their technologies, or even our own experimental technologies with certain aircraft and vehicles, but what this report really underscores … is that there are a number of instances — and the specific number remains classified — but a number of instances where we’ve ruled all of that out.”

Ratcliffe added: “And there are technologies that we don’t have and frankly that we are not capable of defending against — based on those things that we’ve seen, multiple sensors, in other words, where not just people visually see it but where it’s picked up on radar, where it’s seen on satellites. And so, you know, it’s an issue of national security, and as the person who was informing policymakers about national security threats, it’s not good to say, ‘Gosh, we don’t have good answers.’ And so, we have to have a larger discussion to try and figure out specifically what this is all about.”

Everyone from the inside knows they are aliens --from Steve Justice, to Podesta, to way back to Roscoe Hillenkoeter; there is no question.

 

[Todd Feinman]

There is no way China had the UAPs observed today or in the 1800s, 1940s, 1950s, etc. or even now.
Suppose they did! Would they fly them over every military base and installation on the US mainland, risking crashes and and international incident as well as blowing the cover on a revolutionary weapons platform with a completely new propulsion technology? Would they fly it over schools, airports, have it show itself to civilians in all of those road encounters? No way. Why would they surround our warships with nine of them, when one could crash or be shot down. Why would they be so bright and unusual looking? To attract attention to the secret tech? No way. Why can't / couldn't we EVER shoot one down? Where are the prototypes? Why would China invest in obsolete technologies with no signs of prototypes, and our spy agencies know nothing about them. No testing either.
If we knew they were Chinese or Russian, they wouldn't be discussing it with the public at all, and members of Congress and defense officials would shut up about it. That is not happening.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Ratcliffe's statement:

Ratcliffe added: “And there are technologies that we don’t have and frankly that we are not capable of defending against — based on those things that we’ve seen, multiple sensors, in other words, where not just people visually see it but where it’s picked up on radar, where it’s seen on satellites. And so, you know, it’s an issue of national security, and as the person who was informing policymakers about national security threats, it’s not good to say, ‘Gosh, we don’t have good answers.’ And so, we have to have a larger discussion to try and figure out specifically what this is all about.”

Is SO much like this statement about the "Ghost Rockets":

"In a 1967 lecture to the Greek Astronomical Society, broadcast on Athens Radio, Santorinis first publicly revealed what had been found in his 1947 investigation. "We soon established that they were not missiles. But, before we could do any more, the Army, after conferring with foreign officials (presumably U.S. Defense Dept.), ordered the investigation stopped. Foreign scientists [from Washington] flew to Greece for secret talks with me". Later Santorinis told UFO researchers such as Raymond Fowler that secrecy was invoked because officials were afraid to admit of a superior technology against which we have "no possibility of defense"

 

[Todd Feinman]

Take a look at the RAND paper from way back in '68 that is on their FAQs page:
UFOs: What To Do?

"Sightings of unidentified foreign objects (UFOs) have been reported throughout the centuries—most of them given a religious interpretation. Since World War II, however, there seems to have been a drastic increase in the number of sightings. We have enough data—both visual and photographic—on some of these sightings to know that the phenomenon is unambiguously extraordinary and clearly inexplicable in modern terms. The author examines UFO brightness, size, and maneuvers, and discusses the frequency and location of sightings. He ends by suggesting the need for more standardized reporting on UFOs, so that times and locations of appearances may be anticipated and badly needed objective data may be obtained."

Do those sound like Chinese drones??!

 

[Todd Feinman]

So the UFO report as discussed by Josh Greenwald, had the list of UAP shapes blacked out / redacted....
So the RAND report does list shapes (from NICAP actually), and I am sure they are the same ones --just like those seen throughout history, no chance of being Chinese drones:

 

[The shadow]

"For many lawmakers and intelligence and military personnel working on unexplained aerial phenomena, the bigger concern with the episodes is not that alien life is visiting Earth, but rather that a foreign adversary like Russia or China might be fielding some kind of next-generation technology in American airspace that the United States doesn't know about"

This is telling..this is from the article I posted. Umm like we all know Russia and china does NOT have this kind of tech. We are dealing with an phonomon that no one on earth can replicate. Something from another dimension or world.

 

[The shadow]

So the UFO report as discussed by Josh Greenwald, had the list of UAP shapes blacked out / redacted....
So the RAND report does list shapes (from NICAP actually), and I am sure they are the same ones --just like those seen throughout history, no chance of being Chinese drones:

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Great post. There is no possibility that the craft that shut down missile sites came from anywhere on earth.

 

[Todd Feinman]

Great post. There is no possibility that the craft that shut down missile sites came from anywhere on earth.

Exactly. Also, that would risk WWIII as would many of the operations of the objects around missile sites, other military sites if they malfunctioned or were shot down and a foreign adversary's hand was evident. So, it just wouldn't be done. If such a thing was / could even be developed by us, it would be our ace in the hole in wartime, thus best not to advertise it.

The whole idea is truly ridiculous actually. Take a look at the article with the five trans-medium objects coming out of the sea and then flying over the land, where they were later seen by others flying in formation and casting shadow on the ground as big as locomotives..


Here is an amazing sighting from '47. These are Chinese drones?? less than zero chance.

"There were five strange objects and they seemed to be coming up out of the sea like a shadow with smoky greyish color around them..."


Advertiser (Adelaide, SA : 1931 - 1954), Monday 17 February 1947, page 2
National Library of Australia



Remember the 1952 UFOs over the Capitol?
These were Chinese drones?! Hehehe.




Does this sound like a Chinese drone?

Actually the idea insults one's intelligence...

 

[Todd Feinman]

I 'll be a Chinese drone if these are Chinese drones..

The 1958 MONON UFO Incident - Monroe County History Center

 

[Todd Feinman]

What about this Chinese drone?:

 

[Todd Feinman]

Ya gotta hand it to those Chinese, eh? Damn....

 

[Dejan Corovic]

Politicians are stupid and backward people, who thrive on panic and discord.

So, "national security" is completely marginal issue. Aliens are not going to attack as any more now that we started accepting their existence, then they attacked over past few millennia that they had been watching us. That dumbo politician should ask himself what is different then from now that aliens should turn on us.

These aliens had ample opportunity to harm us, but we have little proof that they have, particularly on a large scale. So, if aliens don't want war why should we? ... dumb attention seeking politician.

The main issue is actually establishing friendly coexistence with these spices. In an unnecessary conflict with them we would loose practically all we've got, but if we start cooperating with them they can open for us gateways to new technologies, full colonisation and exploitation of Solar system, more answers on all sorts of scientific questions, unlimited business opportunities etc.

For those who are in fighting spirit here is a bit of reality check. This is F-16 fighter plane firing two missiles at some UFOs, missiles hitting those craft, and them craft sitting there like nothing ever happened, probably laughing on inside at the primitive tech we've got. Its like shooting arrow at Abrams tank ....

 

[Todd Feinman]

I agree. And that is a very interesting video.