House Panel to Hold Public Hearing on Unexplained Aerial Sightings

Dejan Corovic

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Well known public intellectual and influence Eric Weinstein "apologised" to ufologists for branding them as kwaks and weirdos and proposed that they should be listened more carefully in future:



I wish @Thomas R. Morrison was alive to read this.
 

Dejan Corovic

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As well, here is a very nice video where one scientist combines the most recent scientific discoveries and statistics to make various estimations regarding aliens.

One particularly interesting estimate is that we were "discovered" by technologically advanced alien civilisation between 200,000 to 400,000 years ago. As well, broadly speaking, there should be about 50 - 100 technological civilisations in Milky Way, although wast majority of them would not be aware of each other's presence.

Get your popcorn ready, because video is a bit longer and full of numbers:

 

Todd Feinman

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Well known public intellectual and influence Eric Weinstein "apologised" to ufologists for branding them as kwaks and weirdos and proposed that they should be listened more carefully in future:



I wish @Thomas R. Morrison was alive to read this.

That's wonderful! Most of them will never admit they were wrong and full of hubris; not looking at the evidence and instead substituting it with their own theories about what aliens they could conceive of would be like --all limited by the current scientific paradigm and infused with a Hollywood understanding. Look at the historical evidence!! Interview Witnesses!! That's how research is done. And that is why they are being undone and will begin to look more and more silly over time.
Even now, hardened skeptics are still discounting the evidence. Some folks are a lost cause; it doesn't matter if they parade around in the trappings of science.
 

Dejan Corovic

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As well, here is a very nice video where one scientist combines the most recent scientific discoveries and statistics to make various estimations regarding aliens.

One particularly interesting estimate is that we were "discovered" by technologically advanced alien civilisation between 200,000 to 400,000 years ago. As well, broadly speaking, there should be about 50 - 100 technological civilisations in Milky Way, although wast majority of them would not be aware of each other's presence.

Get your popcorn ready, because video is a bit longer and full of numbers:



It just occurred to me that it takes approximately 150,000 years for one species of mammals to evolve into another. So, if advanced aliens discovered us 200,000 to 400,000 years ago aliens had twice over enough time to possibly manipulate our genome and influence our own evolution.
 

Todd Feinman

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One of the more ridiculous things I've heard from skeptics is that the whole UFO thing is an attempt by the military to get more funding! This is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
From Metabunk:

"If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd speculate that the US government is trying to build a surveillance system that can identify anything in the air, and UFOlogists are the sheep that are going to drive popular support for it."

Really.. So, instead of just saying the objects are Chinese, or Russian and get immediate mountains of funding, they would create a scenario which threatens their credibility and would end in failure and embarrassment and probably prosecutions.
Baffling! How can people not think through their arguments??
 

nivek

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I am Todd Feinman, and I posted under my real name everywhere but at ATS, and here. I think I'll ask Nivek if I can change my forum name to my real name here, too.

No problem if you want it changed, just say the word...q37

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Todd Feinman

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Here is a little pic I made from public domain images and some freehand Photoshop painting. It is based on the idea of the Twilight Zone episode, "To Serve Man"; it's the "Ye Olde Butt And Forte" Pub. Skeptics get their just deserts..

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nivek

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I don't have time to sit through the whole 1 1/2 hour of Senate Committee on UFO.

Can somebody pls summarise it for me? Are they are going to do anything serious with it?

Here's everything highlighted in 10 minutes...



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Dejan Corovic

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Soooo hypocritical, its hard to listen. UFOs had been around for a better part of of 70 years, there are not less then 200,000 witness reports on MUFON's, NUFORC and some French databases. It really looks like very grandiose discovering of hot water.

I have nothing against pilots, on a contrary, I love aviation. But UFOs had been observed by all sorts of on duty professionals like policemen, air traffic controllers etc. Not to mention ordinary people. Why is pilot any more important then a policemen, then a hunter in a woods or a regular person.
 

The shadow

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So the sighting in 1561 featured balls cylinders and a black triangle fighting in the air was Chinese drones? Or Russian..right ..
 

Standingstones

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From the little bit I have read thus far, these hearings have been just what I have expected. There have been no pilots telling their stories. The Air Force is a no show. There was no mention of the Malmstrom Air Force base incident. That would involve bringing up the subject of UFOs/UAPs shutting down nuclear missiles. Everything has been framed as a Russia/China threat. It’s best to stay away from any UFO/Alien talk.

More waste of the taxpayers money.
 

Todd Feinman

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From the little bit I have read thus far, these hearings have been just what I have expected. There have been no pilots telling their stories. The Air Force is a no show. There was no mention of the Malmstrom Air Force base incident. That would involve bringing up the subject of UFOs/UAPs shutting down nuclear missiles. Everything has been framed as a Russia/China threat. It’s best to stay away from any UFO/Alien talk.

More waste of the taxpayers money.
It does seem that every time UFOs are addressed by the government, they make promises to study the phenomenon and mention national security --it's what Samford did years ago and it seems that they never make any progress in their understanding -it is always a reset, i.e. it is always an attempt to get in front of increased UFO activity and tamp down any expectations and whitewash everything, while saying it requires further study and they will be on it! Right... Heck, Roscoe Hillenkoetter and Donald Keyhoe said this was happening decades ago; there was "official secrecy and ridicule" back in the day when there was likely terror about the UFO situation.
Over the years it has become apparent to them that we haven't been destroyed by the phenomenon, and it's operation here is extremely subtle, incredibly advanced, and very different, and there is nothing they can do about it. So, they will only talk about it when forced to, and provide as little evidence as possible including evidence that can easily be debunked, to further doubt about the phenomenon in the minds of the public. Things have been driven sideways like this for many years, but now UFO activity has increased in a dramatic way, because events on Earth are heating up and are of interest to the phenomenon, just as it has been interested in observing the development of the means of self destruction humans have been working on so hard, for so long. The objects are interfering in our affairs and have been interacting with us for a long time. It may be that the objects increase their activity so that their existence is undeniable even to the most close-minded, ignorant, paradigm-bound skeptics who would throw out mountains of witness testimony and corroborating accounts over decades, and instead focus on the poor videos recently released to judge the reality of entire phenomenon. For those of us who have seen UFOs, those folks seem really ignorant and pathetic, and it is baffling why they, and the folks in the government studying the phenomenon, can't be bothered to learn from the mountain of cases in the past. In a number of these cases, there were mass sightings, visual and radar confirmation, and in some cases the objects returned repeatedly and were observed for hours and days through telescopes, theodolites and binoculars, by many people.
Skeptics will be defeated by their own ignorance --it is just a matter of time. They better put those foil helmets on...
 

Todd Feinman

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Here's the thing. If they can:

1. Admit the historicity of the phenomenon
2. Admit that it is under intelligent control

--Then it is game over. It would likely be a non-human advanced technology, or evidence of an unknown intelligent agency --no need to drag the word with so many connotations into it: "alien" --though it could be defined that way. And that is exactly what they are implying. By "removing the stigma" they are referring to those past UFO reports --including all of the amazing unambiguous kinds mentioned in the above post. And, things like the Tic Tacs, and other sightings in our training areas, etc. certainly look like they are under intelligent control.. And they are saying they are physical objects, that are doing things that we can't do...
 

Todd Feinman

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This article came out and is basically a summary of Mick West's views on the recent hearing ang UFOs generally:
Great Expectations: UFOs in Congress | Skeptical Inquirer
Mick, and many other skeptics and scientists, must, as a rule, only rely on repeatedly testable evidence and all hypotheses must be proven to be accepted as fact. That is the reason science is able to move forward and has revolutionized our understanding of the universe and changed our lives. And it should continue to do so. However, when there is a court case, physical evidence is very valuable if it can be obtained, but often it can't be, especially if the perpetrator is especially clever. So, just relying only on physical evidence to irrefutably prove an alien or other presence here on Earth could be a long time coming; drones and other aircraft can be shot down, especially if they had 70+ years to do it. But they can't shoot them down or they would know what they are and not be bothering everyone with all of this. Or they have shot one down or obtained one or pieces of one, and will not reveal it, focusing on the current pressure from the UAPs and making the same noises they did years ago, to keep stalling. From a national security standpoint, it makes perfect sense as a strategy to maintain some illusion of control when you don't know what the heck is going on. Even better, to release the worst, blurriest, evidence and even debunkable videos --that would be the best strategy in the circumstances.
We have a case with a mountain of circumstantial evidence; this evidence spans many decades and extends at least back into the 19th century. Much of the evidence is mutually reinforcing; the same devices with the same characteristics encountered at different periods and places all around the world, Australia too! There are sightings with hundreds of witnesses, and extended observations of objects lasting for many days, observed through telescopes, binoculars, and theodolites where they could be clearly observed for periods of time. Witness testimony obtained in ways like this is high quality and more reliable. This isn't the same as a person who was mugged or raped trying to pick someone out of a lineup....
At White Sands during missile tests, 15 separate observation posts watched UFOs tracking missiles. Back at the beginning of the 19th century, Orville Wright was even asked if he was responsible for the devices being observed! (He said "no" and knew of no one who was making them).
Later encountered in WWII as the "Silver Balls" and all of the later waves. When the UFOs flew bacck and forth over the capitol back in the day, they were simultaneously seen and tracked by radar.
And here we are today! Same thing happening all over again.
If I was a good attorney, I would use the photos if they served my case, but I would also look at the past history of the perpetrator --other "crimes" they had committed, and help it to build my case. Interviewing witnesses is a large part of many cases. If I was a poor attorney, I would ignore all past testimony about the perpetrator (allowing it to bite me in the ass during the trial), I would ignore all witnesses as unreliable, regardless of the circumstances or how many of them were present at past perpetrator "crimes". I would instead only focus on a few blurry photos that were released by the other side, ignoring all other evidence, including the accounts of the witnesses who took those photos, and move into trial! Which attorney would you hire?? :cool8:
 
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The shadow

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In January 1998 my self my wife and my father in law saw a craft. It was real physical and not anything I evers seen before or since. The details are elsewhere but it awoke in my a desire to figure out what happened . My skeptical mind began to see this had been going on for a long time. Even centurys we do not know what they are but they are not hostile if they were they would have conquered us long ago. They seem to be observing us. They only intervine on rare occasion.
They are there they are real they are not ours.
 

Todd Feinman

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In January 1998 my self my wife and my father in law saw a craft. It was real physical and not anything I evers seen before or since. The details are elsewhere but it awoke in my a desire to figure out what happened . My skeptical mind began to see this had been going on for a long time. Even centurys we do not know what they are but they are not hostile if they were they would have conquered us long ago. They seem to be observing us. They only intervine on rare occasion.
They are there they are real they are not ours.
I'd love to hear the details!
 
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