ALL that being said, since then I have flown that approach on the C-5 many many times. It’s a runway 9 approach and the aircraft intercepts a radio signal that’s near Port Jervis called Huegenot. You can see Stewart and Orange County Airport from there.
The aircraft had 2 altimeters. A barometric and a ground radar, which tells the pilot the actual feet off the ground. That comes on always at 5000 feet above the ground. It ALWAYS came alive when I could see THAT Lloyds complex when sitting 3rd seat. When it comes on it has a big red light that turns on, so you can’t miss it. By then the aircraft is on its localizer, which is a radio guide down to the runway.
Back then there were maybe 1 or 2 commercial planes going in and out, and they were American and Delta. Up until 1999, the only commercial aircraft flying in were type MD-88s.
Any aircraft at THAT time that was flying below 10,000 were REQUIRED to have their landing lights on.
The MD-88 has a light on each wingtip and one on the nose gear (obviously that landing light cannot be visible until the gear is down, on jets that will likely be a lower altitude.
Any aircraft at that altitude would have a totally different configuration, muc fewer lights and they certainly wouldn’t change from white to blue. And aircraft make noise. This was totally silent and much lower than 5000 feet.
The aircraft had 2 altimeters. A barometric and a ground radar, which tells the pilot the actual feet off the ground. That comes on always at 5000 feet above the ground. It ALWAYS came alive when I could see THAT Lloyds complex when sitting 3rd seat. When it comes on it has a big red light that turns on, so you can’t miss it. By then the aircraft is on its localizer, which is a radio guide down to the runway.
Back then there were maybe 1 or 2 commercial planes going in and out, and they were American and Delta. Up until 1999, the only commercial aircraft flying in were type MD-88s.
Any aircraft at THAT time that was flying below 10,000 were REQUIRED to have their landing lights on.
The MD-88 has a light on each wingtip and one on the nose gear (obviously that landing light cannot be visible until the gear is down, on jets that will likely be a lower altitude.
Any aircraft at that altitude would have a totally different configuration, muc fewer lights and they certainly wouldn’t change from white to blue. And aircraft make noise. This was totally silent and much lower than 5000 feet.
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@pigfarmer - Please let me know if you need any other information. I cannot stress to you how much of a relief I feel thanks to you. There have been plenty of times that I genuinely questioned the entire incident itself. Now I have the proof in my hands that I am not crazy and all of this tail chasing has been for something that I do remember.
My gratitude is beyond what I can express by typing this. If you ever find yourself in Florida, the drinks are on me!
@pigfarmer - Please let me know if you need any other information. I cannot stress to you how much of a relief I feel thanks to you. There have been plenty of times that I genuinely questioned the entire incident itself. Now I have the proof in my hands that I am not crazy and all of this tail chasing has been for something that I do remember.
My gratitude is beyond what I can express by typing this. If you ever find yourself in Florida, the drinks are on me!
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I know where you were and what it looked like back then. I have been to the OC Fairgrounds several times for gun shows back in the 80s and started doing service calls out in that area in the 90s - as well as many, many others. I covered a lot of territory. You are absolutely right, there was very little out there then. Nothing to cause light pollution or a light show hours after the concert ended.
I lived in Fishkill for several years in the early 90s close to the Rt.9/I84 interchange. They put up a Mobil gas station that was the first 'super gas station convenience store' sort of thing in the area out in the middle of nowhere. When they lit up the lights on the island for the first time not all the roof panels were in place. I remember that very clearly - I thought the sky had cracked and Armageddon had arrived. As odd as that looked at no point was anyone calling in to the police reporting UFOs, it was something we were all commenting on the next morning at the delis we got breakfast at.
I suppose I can understand why the police or newspapers blew this off as concert lights - low hanging fruit. What else could they say?
There is an historical marker for Edmund Lloyd that's about where Smoothie King is off 211 now on the map. Next to Edmund S Lloyd Way and Lloyd Dr. Go figure.
History of Lloyd's Shopping Centers
Historical Marker Database Map
You were less than a mile NW up on that hilly ridge. NW of where you were the terrain changes as you head into Sullivan County. Meaning there wasn't anything up in that direction to cause what you saw because there wasn't much of anything at all up there, still isn't. Looking south from there is I84 and also a whole lot of nothing, it's just flatter terrain.
I take it for granted you can identify aircraft, especially those operating from SWF and no I don't think this was anything to do with that at all.
I think you and others were seeing High Strange objects in the area and those interest me. Flogging the myth created by two frauds doesn't.
I'd head back over to Thrall again if either of us ever come up with a thread to follow. I left my contact info over there with one of their staff. It'll probably amount to nothing but I've had good luck just striking up conversations with people, you never know what they might have to say.
I lived in Fishkill for several years in the early 90s close to the Rt.9/I84 interchange. They put up a Mobil gas station that was the first 'super gas station convenience store' sort of thing in the area out in the middle of nowhere. When they lit up the lights on the island for the first time not all the roof panels were in place. I remember that very clearly - I thought the sky had cracked and Armageddon had arrived. As odd as that looked at no point was anyone calling in to the police reporting UFOs, it was something we were all commenting on the next morning at the delis we got breakfast at.
I suppose I can understand why the police or newspapers blew this off as concert lights - low hanging fruit. What else could they say?
There is an historical marker for Edmund Lloyd that's about where Smoothie King is off 211 now on the map. Next to Edmund S Lloyd Way and Lloyd Dr. Go figure.
History of Lloyd's Shopping Centers
Historical Marker Database Map
You were less than a mile NW up on that hilly ridge. NW of where you were the terrain changes as you head into Sullivan County. Meaning there wasn't anything up in that direction to cause what you saw because there wasn't much of anything at all up there, still isn't. Looking south from there is I84 and also a whole lot of nothing, it's just flatter terrain.
I take it for granted you can identify aircraft, especially those operating from SWF and no I don't think this was anything to do with that at all.
What I can say about that is what I have observed directly as a lifelong resident - lighting and weather conditions means that you may not hear anything at all and the recognition lights aren't always identifiable. Somewhere in AE I got a pic of a weird looking light that appeared to be hovering over a field. I was driving to work predawn and saw it and pulled over to watch. Aircraft approaching, once I was at a slight angle to it I recognized it. I live next to an airport and am used to it but know that must catch people by surprise.
I think you and others were seeing High Strange objects in the area and those interest me. Flogging the myth created by two frauds doesn't.
I'd head back over to Thrall again if either of us ever come up with a thread to follow. I left my contact info over there with one of their staff. It'll probably amount to nothing but I've had good luck just striking up conversations with people, you never know what they might have to say.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
@Terra I must admit, your memory is spot on. Most aren't including my own. There was enough detail there to track this article down. All that proves is that you were completely accurate in what you said. Now that description is much more complete - it's in context and it fits what I know about the area. I also know that you certainly sounds like you can identify aircraft since you were serving aboard them right from the place most of them were operating at the time.
What do you do when an otherwise credible person says something incredible? In this case, I believe them.
What do you do when an otherwise credible person says something incredible? In this case, I believe them.
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I genuinely appreciate that. And your hard work. Very, VERY much so.
I think my memory being as intact for this incident is because it was the defining moment in my life. I could write the subjective stuff off as fear, even though I KNOW deep down, what I felt, plus I wasn’t “frozen” like a deer in the headlights. But the craft itself and how it acted, that was it. That did it. Every single grain of belief of God and how the universe worked went right out the window and that turned my ENTIRE world upside down as a high school kid.
Everything about that incident is etched in my mind - YET I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast some days!
I remember when they reopened Stewart for the Iran hostages and actually saw those planes on final approach. There were “old timers” that were there during the Viet Nam war. They flew Cessnas and there was one in the main hangar for nostalgia. The base closed but they kept the officers housing open for West Point officers. There is apparently a pretty big tunnel system that runs directly to West Point that was used by George Washington and his generals. After the hostage flight, a few years later during the summer we started seeing the big jets fly in. Then a buddy from high school told me that he joined and they were making a C-5 base. Then the hangars went up and the rest was history. I joined in the early 90s and left in 2003. I was a flight mechanic as a guardsman so it was just too cool. Every flight takes crew chiefs along and our supervisors were REALLY pro-part timers going on trips even though we pretty much just held the flashlight for the full timers. I have a lot of amazing memories of that place.
I think my memory being as intact for this incident is because it was the defining moment in my life. I could write the subjective stuff off as fear, even though I KNOW deep down, what I felt, plus I wasn’t “frozen” like a deer in the headlights. But the craft itself and how it acted, that was it. That did it. Every single grain of belief of God and how the universe worked went right out the window and that turned my ENTIRE world upside down as a high school kid.
Everything about that incident is etched in my mind - YET I can’t remember what I ate for breakfast some days!
I remember when they reopened Stewart for the Iran hostages and actually saw those planes on final approach. There were “old timers” that were there during the Viet Nam war. They flew Cessnas and there was one in the main hangar for nostalgia. The base closed but they kept the officers housing open for West Point officers. There is apparently a pretty big tunnel system that runs directly to West Point that was used by George Washington and his generals. After the hostage flight, a few years later during the summer we started seeing the big jets fly in. Then a buddy from high school told me that he joined and they were making a C-5 base. Then the hangars went up and the rest was history. I joined in the early 90s and left in 2003. I was a flight mechanic as a guardsman so it was just too cool. Every flight takes crew chiefs along and our supervisors were REALLY pro-part timers going on trips even though we pretty much just held the flashlight for the full timers. I have a lot of amazing memories of that place.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Well, apply that memory to the incident and maybe you could come up with a thread to identify another witness ? That's the only thing I could think of and the world has become a lot smaller in the intervening years, it's a lot easier to find people.
There is one unrelated thing I can't reconcile but it's family nonsense. My cousin that I grew up with spent 22 years in the regular Air Force and retired as a crew chief from a KC-135.
I won't say anything about his service but before that and after that he was/is some piece of work and quite honestly, literally the dumbest person I know. My brother and I are the two in the family with mechanical skills, he has always been the exact opposite of that. How he wound up in such a job we can't figure out - that's weirder to me than a close range UFO
@Creepy Green Light mentioned the 'Coyne helicopter' case that may very well be a refueling aircraft being somewhere it shouldn't be doing something it shouldn't be. Now, I know the military doesn't just let their pilots joyride around generally and if there is deviation from a flight plan there had best be an explanation. But, I also know the military is composed of the same fallible human beings as everyone else and they do make mistakes.
Knowing my cousin as I do makes the refueling aircraft explanation for that case sound that much more probable.
You can actually hear the two rusty gears inside his head that comprise his thinking mechanisms just slowly grinding together, all rusty from disuse .........
There is one unrelated thing I can't reconcile but it's family nonsense. My cousin that I grew up with spent 22 years in the regular Air Force and retired as a crew chief from a KC-135.
I won't say anything about his service but before that and after that he was/is some piece of work and quite honestly, literally the dumbest person I know. My brother and I are the two in the family with mechanical skills, he has always been the exact opposite of that. How he wound up in such a job we can't figure out - that's weirder to me than a close range UFO
@Creepy Green Light mentioned the 'Coyne helicopter' case that may very well be a refueling aircraft being somewhere it shouldn't be doing something it shouldn't be. Now, I know the military doesn't just let their pilots joyride around generally and if there is deviation from a flight plan there had best be an explanation. But, I also know the military is composed of the same fallible human beings as everyone else and they do make mistakes.
Knowing my cousin as I do makes the refueling aircraft explanation for that case sound that much more probable.
You can actually hear the two rusty gears inside his head that comprise his thinking mechanisms just slowly grinding together, all rusty from disuse .........
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I think maybe later this year in October we might take a ride down to where Monique O'Driscoll saw whatever it was she saw in October 1983.
When we take the old 'vette out we just ride around, why not down there? The lake, road and ridges haven't moved. I can go the same time of year but I think her sighting was later at night and I dunno if I'll do that or not, I prefer to be in my jammies after dinner anymore. I'd be interested in looking for myself rather than speculating from my chair looking at Google Maps.
Gettysburg is within driving distance. About ten years ago I was really into heavy detail about the Civil War and that's a battlefield I can actually reach. It's one thing to read about events, it's quite another to be there. Standing on Cemetery Hill watching thousands of Louisinanians ( is that a word ? ) come boiling up at you with bayonets .... brrrrrr. Don't get that from a book.
A first person look is in order.
When we take the old 'vette out we just ride around, why not down there? The lake, road and ridges haven't moved. I can go the same time of year but I think her sighting was later at night and I dunno if I'll do that or not, I prefer to be in my jammies after dinner anymore. I'd be interested in looking for myself rather than speculating from my chair looking at Google Maps.
Gettysburg is within driving distance. About ten years ago I was really into heavy detail about the Civil War and that's a battlefield I can actually reach. It's one thing to read about events, it's quite another to be there. Standing on Cemetery Hill watching thousands of Louisinanians ( is that a word ? ) come boiling up at you with bayonets .... brrrrrr. Don't get that from a book.
A first person look is in order.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I think I found the incident I had been looking for. I was wrong about the dates, this is it.
Cylinder UFO videotaped over small New York town Photo of Roger Marsh Roger Marsh September 20, 2016
Cylinder UFO videotaped over small New York town Photo of Roger Marsh Roger Marsh September 20, 2016
Todd Feinman
Dogs are angels that poop in your yard.
Nice! Great work tracking the video down, Pigfarmer. It's an interesting one.
Todd Feinman
Dogs are angels that poop in your yard.
You could always feed it to the folks at Metabunk; Mick has developed a piece of sofware called SITREC, that incorporates the night sky and planets, satellites, and commercial flight path data to try and explain UFO sightings. A cool tool, actually. And you have specifics.
nivek
As Above So Below
I looked at that software and its Linux based and this forum runs on a Linux server, so I'll see if I can install it here and make it available to all members...
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pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
I found it. Figuring out how to use it is another matter.
I have no real desire to join MUFON I just want to look at the case files. One really on the blimp incident. I suspect the level you need to join at to get that is prohibitive.
Creepy Green Light
Silence = Deaf
Love it, that's awesome.
J Randall Murphy
Trying To Stay Awake
I would suggest that the whole thing is an act. It's a video looking down ( not up ) and what the lights are from are two vehicle's headlamps. Not sure what kind of vehicles — possibly cars or trucks in a black flat space, or maybe boats on a lake. I could be wrong of course, but when these videos lack any context from the surroundings, it's suspicious right away.
pigfarmer
tall, thin, irritable
Back to beating this long dead horse again. Yesterday I happen to be at the Stormville Airport - this was one of three used by those idiots flying in formation faking UFOs. This was where Phil Imbrogno confronted some of them.
The pavement is for the huge Flea Market that is there now, AFAIK it hasn't been a functional strip in a long time. But it isn't that big. Nothing really to see but it's worth noting the the first pic is looking north.
This event from Oct 1984. I saw these damned lights right around this time as many of us did and yes, you could hear a droning sound. Not always but sometimes. But this account, this one is very different does not fit that mould and is literally a short hop from where I was standing taking that north facing pic. So yes, these were some truly peculiar sightings in the area and I find this one ironic because the known hoaxsters were on the ground somewhere near where I was stranding and had just been confronted by the NYS Troopers about this so we know for sure they had nothing to do with it.
I find cases like this and @Terra's far more interesting than the endless boomerang shaped objects because to those of us who live here that is not a mystery.
The pavement is for the huge Flea Market that is there now, AFAIK it hasn't been a functional strip in a long time. But it isn't that big. Nothing really to see but it's worth noting the the first pic is looking north.
This event from Oct 1984. I saw these damned lights right around this time as many of us did and yes, you could hear a droning sound. Not always but sometimes. But this account, this one is very different does not fit that mould and is literally a short hop from where I was standing taking that north facing pic. So yes, these were some truly peculiar sightings in the area and I find this one ironic because the known hoaxsters were on the ground somewhere near where I was stranding and had just been confronted by the NYS Troopers about this so we know for sure they had nothing to do with it.
I find cases like this and @Terra's far more interesting than the endless boomerang shaped objects because to those of us who live here that is not a mystery.
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Todd Feinman
Dogs are angels that poop in your yard.
Interesting.. That's the kind of thing a UFO would do. Show up in unlikely situations or in circumstances or ways that can be difficult to separate out.