I found a strange thing through collecting relevant UFO sighting or contact cases by myself. I'm not sure if I made a mistake.

KL 123

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I've discovered a very strange thing. It seems that for the classic disc - shaped or saucer - shaped spacecraft - like UFOs, which can obviously be seen as made of metal, their sighting times have decreased a great deal since 2012. Instead, there have been more sightings of unknown luminous objects.
 

KL 123

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In the last century and at least until 2012, there were many photos or videos of classic disc-shaped unidentified flying objects or other strange shaped unidentified flying objects captured on the internet (such as the huge diamond shaped UFO that Mr. Yu captured in the eastern suburbs of Xi'an in 2010, with a small diamond shaped UFO orbiting around it, and people in other cities in China claiming to have witnessed such UFOs the same year). However, it seems that after 2012, such exaggerated video sightings have suddenly decreased.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
It can't be a coincidence.

Jerome Clark published his The UFO Encyclopedia: The Phenomenon From The Beginning quite some time ago and I recall sightings being divided into shapes; daylight discs, cigars, etc. As you pointed out that has fallen by the wayside in favor of luminous objects that come and go at will. Nobody is reporting cigar shaped objects with rivets, portholes or shooting flames at all anymore.

Interesting that All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) absolutely refuses to talk about shapes and wants any of that to remain classified.

Since the majority of sightings generally have prosaic explanations that suggests a very human, sociological factor at work not ET. We see what we expect to see. Lately around here its drones. For every truly anomalous one people report a hundred common ones they never bothered to notice before.

That said, there's something very real at work here that bears responsibility for some of the sightings. Personally I believe there is an advanced reconnaissance system of some sort that's matured over many years. You might find this book very interesting. Dry as hell but interesting. Nightcrawler: Eye on the Sky by John J. Tedesco

I'd also add that just like the local 'Wave' here there are also some truly weird reports that just don't want to be classified - and those are the ones look for. What to say to an otherwise credible person who says something incredible, like your friend with that picture ? I wonder sometimes if we unconsciously choose the form these things manifest themselves in.
 
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KL 123

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It can't be a coincidence.

Jerome Clark published his The UFO Encyclopedia: The Phenomenon From The Beginning quite some time ago and I recall sightings being divided into shapes; daylight discs, cigars, etc. As you pointed out that has fallen by the wayside in favor of luminous objects that come and go at will. Nobody is reporting cigar shaped objects with rivets, portholes or shooting flames at all anymore.

Interesting that All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) absolutely refuses to talk about shapes and wants any of that to remain classified.

Since the majority of sightings generally have prosaic explanations that suggests a very human, sociological factor at work not ET. We see what we expect to see. Lately around here its drones. For every truly anomalous one people report a hundred common ones they never bothered to notice before.

That said, there's something very real at work here that bears responsibility for some of the sightings. Personally I believe there is an advanced reconnaissance system of some sort that's matured over many years. You might find this book very interesting. Dry as hell but interesting. Nightcrawler: Eye on the Sky by John J. Tedesco

I'd also add that just like the local 'Wave' here there are also some truly weird reports that just don't want to be classified - and those are the ones look for. What to say to an otherwise credible person who says something incredible, like your friend with that picture ? I wonder sometimes if we unconsciously choose the form these things manifest themselves in.
Perhaps due to some unknown factors, the morphology of unidentified flying objects has changed since 2012, making traditional metal spacecraft UFOs less "common". However, we may never know about this factor
 

KL 123

Honorable
It can't be a coincidence.

Jerome Clark published his The UFO Encyclopedia: The Phenomenon From The Beginning quite some time ago and I recall sightings being divided into shapes; daylight discs, cigars, etc. As you pointed out that has fallen by the wayside in favor of luminous objects that come and go at will. Nobody is reporting cigar shaped objects with rivets, portholes or shooting flames at all anymore.

Interesting that All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) absolutely refuses to talk about shapes and wants any of that to remain classified.

Since the majority of sightings generally have prosaic explanations that suggests a very human, sociological factor at work not ET. We see what we expect to see. Lately around here its drones. For every truly anomalous one people report a hundred common ones they never bothered to notice before.

That said, there's something very real at work here that bears responsibility for some of the sightings. Personally I believe there is an advanced reconnaissance system of some sort that's matured over many years. You might find this book very interesting. Dry as hell but interesting. Nightcrawler: Eye on the Sky by John J. Tedesco

I'd also add that just like the local 'Wave' here there are also some truly weird reports that just don't want to be classified - and those are the ones look for. What to say to an otherwise credible person who says something incredible, like your friend with that picture ? I wonder sometimes if we unconsciously choose the form these things manifest themselves in.
Maybe just as you said, there does exist some kind of advanced reconnaissance equipment which has been developed for many years. Maybe this equipment has had a major upgrade since 2012. But if so, which country does this equipment belong to? Even before my country opened up to the outside world, people had witnessed metal - spacecraft - like UFOs (such as the classic flying saucers and cigar - shaped ones), and they mostly appeared near military bases or rural areas (my friend's father, who used to be a soldier, claimed to have seen a standard flying saucer in the 1990s).
 

KL 123

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However, it seems that metal or clearly solid - substance UFOs have not completely disappeared after 2012. It's just that the number of sightings has decreased and they are more adept at camouflage. In the sighting cases I've collected, many people claim to have seen strange dark shadows in the shape of discs, triangles or cigars flying across the sky at night. Sometimes, they will be illuminated by the moon and thus have a metallic luster. Moreover, such dark shadows also seem to obviously block out the stars.
 

KL 123

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However, in the uninhabited areas of northwest China, such as the Tianshan Mountains, Qilian Mountains, and areas near western Sichuan, people often accidentally capture photos of flying saucers or cigar - shaped UFOs that fly by rapidly or hover in the distance, and there are also some light spheres arranged in formations. But in other regions of China, it seems that most of the UFOs witnessed by people are just unidentified luminous objects.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
There was a very famous incident off the coast of California in 2004 involving a nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and it's attendant strike group. They were testing a new and advanced sensor system.

Turns out later when the story unfolded some elements of that strike group were still tied up at the dock. The nature of what they were testing didn't require them to be at sea, only to cooperate within their onw network. Also, this was in a test area that has historically been the place the US Navy tests it's secret stuff, going back to WW2 I believe.

Commander David Fravor was the commanding officer of Nimitz's strike group of F/A-18 Hornets and he encountered what he described as an SUV sized 'tic tac' that was able to traverse air and water with equal ease and if the sensor systems are to be believed, bounce in and out of low earth orbit virtually instantly. Tis went on over a period of hours and days and wasn't just a one-off. This has occurred to other carriers as recently as 2019 and as I understand it not all were in training areas, some were in the Red Sea.

There is a similar area off the east coast of the US with similar events, also coincidentally right where all those New Jersey drones have been reported. That's why I recommended that book Nightcrawler as it's now part of Avi Loeb's Galileo Project. it's 'the real deal' not yet another woo-woo cash grab. There are anomalies in that study that smack of human involvement.

Now, this will sound nationalistic (because it is) but it's also true (because it is):

There are other people you might **** with other than a US Navy carrier battle group operating at sea, especially in a war zone. They will quite literally have among the best sensor systems and training in the world and are perfectly capable of dealing with any conventional threat. They are designed to do that.

Who is operating an advance reconnaissance system ? US, obviously, IMO. Military secrets are fleeting to begin with. and any time really advanced tech is used there is a risk that it will fall into the hands of the enemy. What better adversary to test it against and what better place than off your own coast in a training area? One where you know there will not be live armaments. As Fravor put it, he was a carrying a 'blue telephone pole' at the time of his encounter - an inert practice missile.

If they do have a reconnaissance system that advanced it's understandable why they would go to great lengths to conceal it, and certainly not reveal it in public testimony. In the past when an actual secret was in danger of being revealed UFOs and ET were used to keep the real story under wraps. That's the Paul Bennewitz story and what AFOSI officer Richard Doty did to him, supposedly under orders. Ultimately the man had to be committed, he went nuts.

I can't speak to any cases inside war zones except to believe they have occurred, but the ones that have garnered the most attention have been inside training areas.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
First there are hundreds of thousands of UFO sightings. That means that one can not draw conclusions just from few hundred of sightings, because such a small smaple size will be prone to biases.

Second, although we don't understand UFO propulsion, all UFOs use same scientific principles, But, although they use the same science they use different technologies. Nevertheless, because science of UFO propulsion is always the same there is 90%+ consistency in the observed physical effects accross all UFO sightings.

Although I can not say how propulsion works, I can with 95% certainty say that UFOs flood their immediate surroundings with micro-waves. These micro-waves ionise surrounding air and create shimmering envelope of plazma, very similar to Tesla coil. As we all know, plazma is very bright and can be seen from a large distance, particularly at a dusk or at night. So, chance that somebody will see UFO enveloped in a sheet of plazma is much higher then that he'll see a purely matalic UFO.

Another frequent UFO observable is that intensity of plazma is proportional to the UFO's height above ground. That makes sense because UFO would need more energy to hover at a higher altitude, then just when it's lended on the ground or closing in to land itself.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
First there are hundreds of thousands of UFO sightings. That means that one can not draw conclusions just from few hundred of sightings, because such a small smaple size will be prone to biases.

Second, although we don't understand UFO propulsion, all UFOs use same scientific principles, But, although they use the same science they use different technologies. Nevertheless, because science of UFO propulsion is always the same there is 90%+ consistency in the observed physical effects accross all UFO sightings.

Although I can not say how propulsion works, I can with 95% certainty say that UFOs flood their immediate surroundings with micro-waves. These micro-waves ionise surrounding air and create shimmering envelope of plazma, very similar to Tesla coil. As we all know, plazma is very bright and can be seen from a large distance, particularly at a dusk or at night. So, chance that somebody will see UFO enveloped in a sheet of plazma is much higher then that he'll see a purely matalic UFO.

Another frequent UFO observable is that intensity of plazma is proportional to the UFO's height above ground. That makes sense because UFO would need more energy to hover at a higher altitude, then just when it's lended on the ground or closing in to land itself.
You really ought to read Nightcrawler. They talk about all that in volume in detail from direct personal observation and the use of their own advanced equipment that they completely catalog.
 

KL 123

Honorable
You think these phenomena are secret weapons of the US military. However, personally, I feel that the technological sophistication of these things is really too high... They don't seem to be something that humans can develop at present...
There was a very famous incident off the coast of California in 2004 involving a nuclear powered aircraft carrier USS Nimitz and it's attendant strike group. They were testing a new and advanced sensor system.

Turns out later when the story unfolded some elements of that strike group were still tied up at the dock. The nature of what they were testing didn't require them to be at sea, only to cooperate within their onw network. Also, this was in a test area that has historically been the place the US Navy tests it's secret stuff, going back to WW2 I believe.

Commander David Fravor was the commanding officer of Nimitz's strike group of F/A-18 Hornets and he encountered what he described as an SUV sized 'tic tac' that was able to traverse air and water with equal ease and if the sensor systems are to be believed, bounce in and out of low earth orbit virtually instantly. Tis went on over a period of hours and days and wasn't just a one-off. This has occurred to other carriers as recently as 2019 and as I understand it not all were in training areas, some were in the Red Sea.

There is a similar area off the east coast of the US with similar events, also coincidentally right where all those New Jersey drones have been reported. That's why I recommended that book Nightcrawler as it's now part of Avi Loeb's Galileo Project. it's 'the real deal' not yet another woo-woo cash grab. There are anomalies in that study that smack of human involvement.

Now, this will sound nationalistic (because it is) but it's also true (because it is):

There are other people you might **** with other than a US Navy carrier battle group operating at sea, especially in a war zone. They will quite literally have among the best sensor systems and training in the world and are perfectly capable of dealing with any conventional threat. They are designed to do that.

Who is operating an advance reconnaissance system ? US, obviously, IMO. Military secrets are fleeting to begin with. and any time really advanced tech is used there is a risk that it will fall into the hands of the enemy. What better adversary to test it against and what better place than off your own coast in a training area? One where you know there will not be live armaments. As Fravor put it, he was a carrying a 'blue telephone pole' at the time of his encounter - an inert practice missile.

If they do have a reconnaissance system that advanced it's understandable why they would go to great lengths to conceal it, and certainly not reveal it in public testimony. In the past when an actual secret was in danger of being revealed UFOs and ET were used to keep the real story under wraps. That's the Paul Bennewitz story and what AFOSI officer Richard Doty did to him, supposedly under orders. Ultimately the man had to be committed, he went nuts.

I can't speak to any cases inside war zones except to believe they have occurred, but the ones that have garnered the most attention have been inside training areas.
 

KL 123

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Of course, I admit that my views are somewhat subjective... However, I really can't figure out who the operators behind the flying saucers and cigar - shaped spaceships are. In China, some military personnel in the military regions of the northwest often say that they have witnessed these things. Even this year, some people accidentally filmed standard - shaped flying saucers flying at extremely high speeds in the northwest of China. As for the Tic Tac UFO, it's hard to determine. It seems that only the US military has reported such UFOs? I remember that the US military also filmed many triangular, glowing UFOs with night - vision goggles.
 

KL 123

Honorable
Perhaps there are elements of truth in some conspiracy theories and urban legends. For example, they claim that the US might have once captured a crashed flying saucer, as well as those things related to the S4 base... However, I remember that there is a very interesting piece of information in the urban legend about the S4 base. They say that there is a black triangular UFO in the base, which belongs neither to extraterrestrial life forms as we know them nor to humans, but to genuine alien creatures. People enter this UFO in a way similar to sinking into a liquid. Whether it's true or not, I do find it quite interesting.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
You think these phenomena are secret weapons of the US military. However, personally, I feel that the technological sophistication of these things is really too high... They don't seem to be something that humans can develop at present...

UFOs are not a single solution but more like a mixed bag. Most of UFOs are other-wordly, but relatively small number are result of US reversal program. There is ample suggestion in UFO lore that US has it's own UFOs.

If US with it's wast resources had access to crashed UFOs than it would had been relatively easy for them to reverse engineer UFO tech, under assumption that this tech was not too advanced.

Practically all the physical UFO effects can be explained by modern physics. That certainly helps.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
However, personally, I feel that the technological sophistication of these things is really too high...
Yeah, well tell that to the people who put a helicopter on Mars for ****s sake and who are still gathering data from the Voyager probes we sent out decades ago. Think about what a car or a 'personal computer' (yes they existed) looked like when they were launched. We have been known to pull off some pretty good technical feats from time to time.

I am not having a problem thinking this is our own advanced reconnaissance tech especially considering where they seem to operate - training areas mostly. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck its probably a duck. Show me a big green and gold pyramid hovering behind some trees and yeah, I'll say that's ET. Unlike Nightcrawler it probably wouldn't include some unknown man's arm in a grey shirt that would just appear at random in a photo taken of the strange event. Sorry if you haven't read the book but for those who did I refuse to just blow that one off. What it suggests is not camera artifact, not at all to me and the Tedesco brothers literally know better. I am glad they were forthright enough to include it.

Unfortunately there is zero evidence that we have any captured alien anything, not even a little bit but it's an accepted fact in pop culture. That alone should be a red flag. I'd like there to be but there just isn't and actual, for-real hard evidence is just generations of rumor. Rumor in one hand and **** in the other and see which fills first.

Personally I would not be surprised if a crash retrieval program existed, we know it has in the past and probably still does in a conventional sense. Retrieving foreign tech is something all militaries desire and I don't doubt we've been hard at work at it in Ukraine. It's very likely we have divined the mysteries of whatever the Russians have left for us. I did mention that if you use it you run the risk of losing it, right? I bet they are not too happy we have our hands on various things.

I am intrigued by people like David Grusch but that appears to have been a flash in the pan with no weight behind it. Why exactly? Where are the other 39 whistleblowers that were touted but never appeared?

Whatever the real story is I bet it's better than pop fiction
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Unfortunately there is zero evidence that we have any captured alien anything, not even a little bit but it's an accepted fact in pop culture
Roswell case is all about crash retreival. As far as wtness testimonials go it is extremely well supported. Obviously one can always negate what witnesses say.

There is one YT channel, forgot then name, Sharif or something like that, which is 90% about crash retrievals and there is not less then about 20 - 30 crash cases there. There is 1/2 dozen testimonials by low ranking military personell who had been involved in crash retreivals. There is extensive UK researh into specail NATO squad that goes around securing UFO landing sites. NORAD has veryfied ability to track UFOs on their arrival from outer space and thus it can predict lending zones. Then this special NATO team is sent ahead of time to cordon off area to prevent civilians stumblin in and spreading panic.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Roswell is equivocal even after decades of being bandied about.

I've heard all the rumors, a lot of the stories that have been and still are circulating. Haven't seen a hangar door rolled back with a silver disc hovering behind it. Not yet anyway but the day is still young.

Testimonials are good for some things, proving alien visitation not so much.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Roswell is equivocal even after decades of being bandied about.

I've heard all the rumors, a lot of the stories that have been and still are circulating. Haven't seen a hangar door rolled back with a silver disc hovering behind it. Not yet anyway but the day is still young.

Testimonials are good for some things, proving alien visitation not so much.

Yeah, I find it quite hard to believe that people of good character and good standing, from very small tightly knit provincial communities where everybody gossips about everybody else 24/7, would want to step out of a common way and expose themselves to ridicule, potential job loss and harrasment of children in school, just so that they can bask in media attention about a crazy story.

I would rather say that these are good and honest patriotic people who believe its their duty to report and who want to make authorities aware of a possible threat.

Anyway, work that Nightcrawler. team did practically 100% percent gives material verification to UFO witness testimonials from previous 70 years. All the physical effects that Nightcrawler recorded with instruments are one-on-one matched by previous human observations. If you want it in terms of cort of law, witness testimonials had been corborate with material evidence through Nightcrawler's work.
 

KL 123

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Unfortunately, it's extremely difficult to obtain the UFO - related books you mentioned on our side, and no one has translated them either, so I really haven't read them... Yes, a lot of information, especially from the Cold War era, mentions that the US has captured alien technology, but there is no substantial evidence. Yes, I admit that humanity accomplished great feats in the last century, sending probes to the moon and Mars and even achieving manned lunar landings. However, these are all within the acceptable scope of physics. But those UFOs can disappear instantly or accelerate suddenly, which seems to subvert our understanding of physics... So I think that even if the US or some other country has really obtained alien technology, they may not have fully replicated it successfully. Otherwise, they wouldn't continue to invest heavily in research to try to improve various aircraft at present.
Yeah, I find it quite hard to believe that people of good character and good standing, from very small tightly knit provincial communities where everybody gossips about everybody else 24/7, would want to step out of a common way and expose themselves to ridicule, potential job loss and harrasment of children in school, just so that they can bask in media attention about a crazy story.

I would rather say that these are good and honest patriotic people who believe its their duty to report and who want to make authorities aware of a possible threat.

Anyway, work that Nightcrawler. team did practically 100% percent gives material verification to UFO witness testimonials from previous 70 years. All the physical effects that Nightcrawler recorded with instruments are one-on-one matched by previous human observations. If you want it in terms of cort of law, witness testimonials had been corborate with material evidence through Nightcrawler's work.
 
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