I Retract My Original Billy Meier Comment

nivek

As Above So Below
Several weeks ago, I made a suggestion that the speakers invited to the MUFON symposium sounded a little absurd because of the lack of corroboration for their time travel claims. I had also wondered why the Billy Meier supporters hadn’t been offered a similar invitation to support his claims.

It seemed if the leadership of MUFON was interested in allowing the membership to come to their own conclusion about some of these absurd claims, then Billy Meier and his supporters should be afforded the same courtesy. But then in the comment section of the post, I had written, “This post was about some of those invited to speak at the next Billy Meier MUFON Symposium and not an avenue to promote a contactee [Billy Meier] case that I believe to be untrue.”



This was a fairly innocuous statement. Didn’t really say much other than I thought the claims to be untrue. I wasn’t calling Billy Meier a liar, I wasn’t saying the case was a hoax, only that I didn’t believe it, which I had thought was my right. I was immediately attacked. It was claimed that I had “defamed” Billy Meier, and that I should offer proof that Meier hadn’t been in communication with alien beings. I should either put up some evidence or retract the statement.

I did explain that I was familiar with the case and that the evidence offered to support it was weak at best… well, not in those words. I mentioned that I had read a couple of the books about Meier, but was attacked for being out of touch. I did think that it wasn’t really my responsibility to prove Meier hadn’t met with aliens and traveled around the galaxy, but theirs to prove he had.

Whatever…
So, now I would like to retract that initial and rather benign statement.

I have spent the last several weeks looking at all sorts of material about Billy Meier. I read his predictions, seen many of his photographs, looked at the analyses of the metal he said came from his space traveling pals. I looked at the “pro” sites and those that were “con.” I followed up on the predictions, and tried to learn more about the photographs.

I have looked at both sides of the coin, listened to the promoters and detractors and realized that my statement was simply my belief based on what I had found in earlier research. It had been written as a polite and somewhat cordial way of letting the readers know that I didn’t believe the story which was not the same thing as saying it was a hoax.

Today, I’ll say this. The Billy Meier contact case is a hoax. The evidence offered in support is weak, often inaccurate, and those believing Meier will not listen to anything that suggests Meier has not flown around the galaxy in alien spacecraft. Dozens of his pictures have been proven to be fake, but that’s because the Men in Black substituted faked ones for the real ones, we’re told. Meier’s predictions that had seemed to be so accurate were not made before anyone on Earth was aware of the situations mentioned as claimed.

When it was pointed out that the trouble with the ozone layer was known and published in a variety of sources before Meier said a word about it, the answer was he couldn’t have seen those sources. The supporters move the goalposts so that any evidence presented is never enough.

I say again, this case is a hoax. Meier has not traveled around the galaxy. He has faked pictures. His predictions are found to be wrong or based on information that is already in the public arena.

Here’s the irony. Had the supporters just ignored the statement of my opinion rather than attacking me personally, not many who visit here would have paid much attention to it. Now, however, I have published a number of articles showing that Meier was wrong, Meier faked photographs, and that he has offered no independent corroboration of his contact claims. Even his ex-wife has said it was all a hoax.

Believe him if you will, but don’t demand that I believe him with such shoddy evidence, faked photographs, and an analysis of metal that came from a man who was deep into the New Age (BTW, telling us of his expertise and credentials, which are quite impressive, is known as “appeal to authority” which isn’t evidence). No, I don’t believe Meier and believe that he had engaged in a decades long hoax that too many have accepted as real.

But in case you have somehow missed it. I retract that original statement as too benign and too cordial. It should have been much stronger. It should have been much more negative. Meier is not in contact with aliens. There is no independent evidence to support it. He has invented his tale and fooled thousands of people. It is all untrue.

Those are the facts. Get over it.

A Different Perspective: I Retract My Original Billy Meier Comment
 

notdej

Honorable
To say someone's claims are untrue & then say I'm not calling this person a liar is ridiculous!!

Billy Meier (in my opinion) is full of shit, has always been full of shit & always will be full of shit!!!

I don't understand why people try to bend stuff around in an attempt to cover up their true feelings!? Why do people do this?

I guess it's so as not to offend-- well to me the likes of Billy Meier are offending me/us- so why not pay back the compliment if that's what deep down you really feel!? which you've done.. good on ya:Thumbsup:
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Those Billy believers are either extremely passionate or very dense, myself and a few others have debated Billy's spokesman Michael Horn a few years ago...
 

notdej

Honorable
Those Billy believers are either extremely passionate or very dense, myself and a few others have debated Billy's spokesman Michael Horn a few years ago...
Mr.Horn & myself have had many heated debates over the years-- I also tell him I think he's full of shit as well.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Those Billy believers are either extremely passionate or very dense, myself and a few others have debated Billy's spokesman Michael Horn a few years ago...

I remember that p**ck....he didn't last long as he was very rude. But then many of billys followers that came here didn't last long either. His contact reports, his images and mikey horns website were all either to vague, outright fakes or in horns cases utter BS.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The problem with people like Billy meier is his illusions are easily disproven. But so many people desire that proof. they want it to be real. So they suspend disbelief.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I was amongst the ones involved with that 'heated debate' with Michael Horn for a few days...He's an arrogant one for sure...One of Billy's followers invited Horn, we roasted him...
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
I was amongst the ones involved with that 'heated debate' with Michael Horn for a few days...He's an arrogant one for sure...One of Billy's followers invited Horn, we roasted him...

Yes it was AU.....don't remember the year. Yes he was rude, arrogant and just wanted everyone to believe his masters claims in a blind manner. He got booted after he got nasty when people questioned him and doubted his master. Over the years all the billy followers ended up getting banned for pretty much the same reasons.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Michael Horn was banned. It was one of those situations where he could have avoided the ban. But He got belligerent with the Administration. In fairness. He kind of deserved it at the time.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
It was what alien hub was formerly called AU....aliens-ufos.....I was Castle-Bravo354 there. I think Q had owned it for quite some time.

Q and Martian owned AU jointly...
 

Merle

Honorable
I remember Martin's old forum... I remember reading yours and dejarma's posts there too... and a number of other regulars who did the UFO Forum rounds..... Some fanstastic discussions there.... UFO Evolution or something similar? Didn't Martin change the name at least once? Martin was originally a member of AU in those very early days of AU which most don't know about because they were pre 2003..... Xander, a Britt like Martin, who started and was admin of AU late 1990s didn't seem to have a problem that Martin took off and started his own forum...

I was a big time lurker there but I can't remember if I ever actually posted in Martin's UFO Evolution or not ... I always used a different name for other forums than the one I had for AU because being a long time mod on AU I sort of wanted to 'break loose' from that when I posted in other forums and didn't want to be associated in that way....

I also remember Dept 47 and Paracast and there were other forums too but the names have long dropped out of my memory.... Dept 47 was started by Skeptical (?) ... he used to be a member of AU and but ended up starting his own forum which he called Dept 47. It was another good level headed forum and sadly, like Martin's forum eventually died off same like quite a number of other UFO forums did over time...
 

Fen Star

Honorable
Was that Alien-ufos forum around 2011 or so?...I was amongst the ones involved with that 'heated debate' with Michael Horn for a few days...He's an arrogant one for sure...One of Billy's followers invited Horn, we roasted him...

Yes it was AU.....don't remember the year. Yes he was rude, arrogant and just wanted everyone to believe his masters claims in a blind manner. He got booted after he got nasty when people questioned him and doubted his master. Over the years all the billy followers ended up getting banned for pretty much the same reasons.

I remember that good times..lol
 
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