Intelligent alien life: astronomy, astrobiology, and the age of inhabitable worlds

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  1. nivek

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    What if there are civilizations in the universe a billion years old or two billion years old, could there be an upper limit to the knowledge of this universe and how everything functions?...Could there be a very old species out there, perhaps the first ones, who have gained all knowledge available to this universe?...If there is such a species out there I would imagine they could gain knowledge through observing newer species of intelligent creatires, such as ourselves, maybe even get some amusement from some of our styles and way of life...It's kind of a twofold question though rhetorical or not, would there be any upper limits to knowledge gained of our universe and if so then is it possible there's very very old species out there who may have reached those limits?...If an alien race reached this plateau it could turn them hostile or aggressive to keep other developing species from gaining that knowledge or there could be a group of very old aliens who create limits on technology or knowledge that other species can get...They may not want the newer species to get highly advanced technology or the knowledge they have and hoard...Just pondering...

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  2. Dejan Corovic

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    Hmmm, most likely there is a limit on knowledge, likey physics. But there is no limit on imagination. I mean, those three British enginners just came up with Skylon engine, which can go supersonic and switch between jet and rocket mode. Very soon it will be possible to circumvent globe in 8 hours. Who would anticipate that technology?

    No way, in our solar system there is 9 planets, plus asteroid belt. We havn't even started exploiting them. In other words, universe is so wast and intelligent life so rare, that there is an abundance of resources for everybody. Aliens would have very little reason for wars and conquests etc.

    Actually, there is a minor trend in alien encounter stories, like some stories from US, Brasil and Voronjez, Russia, where alien crews were made from different spieces. Because of this abundance of resources in universe, it's more likely that spieces on similar tech. level are cooperative rather than destructive. Maybe like European Union ;-).

    For what it's worth, one of abductees, some journalist working for Los Angeles Times, said that aliens took him up on their mothership, blah, blah, blah. And told him that, very long ago, they stopped living on planets, because big spaceships are much safer, no cunamies, typhoons, volcanoes etc. It makes perfect sense.


    There was one gray alien abduction story where alien was sheparding abductiee through some coridors and they sort of had a quick chat. And gray alien told to abductie: "We are not smarter than you, we've just been around for a longer."

    If we accept that we are junior partner, both aliens and us have an enourmous amount to gain from mutual respect. We are their past, and they ar our future. (I've said this so poetically, please congratulate me).

    Only problem is that we are, scientifically speaking, according to this paper, 3.5+ billion years behind 77% of Sun like solar systems in Milky Way. And not just that we are late comers, Milky Way is a peripheral galaxy on the edge of one of the biggest observed inter-gallactic voids (article on Wikipedia). Meaning, we are unlikely to be close to any trading routes. In short, we are upstarts in a middle of nowhere. And that's sceintifically real.

    Basically, we are too primitive and too far out of the way, for any neighbourghs to want to waste time with us. And as all primitive people, we think of ourselves that we are very sophisticated. I mean, after 150,000 years in savanahs, we barely got to the age of science and reason in last 300 years. And if you watch how we do politics, we haven't even started to change yet. We just can not except to talk with alien civilisation, which is a billion years ahead of us, on an equal footing.
     
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  3. michael59

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    I've said that many times. They are more advanced technologically, but they are not more intelligent than us. Kinda scary when you think about it.

    Why do you think that they don't want to be bothered with visiting us, you just relayed a story about a Grey abducting one of us?

    We are already on equal footing if we are just as intelligent. Even if the technology is billions of years ahead of our own. It's not a matter of not being able to recreate or understand the technology if given the chance to examine and experiment with it. We would master it in no time. I think they don't want to share because it would put us on equal footing and then they would be really frightened of us because as far as Grey's are concerned, we have at least 10 times their physical strength. It's like wrestling with a two year old.

    I also know we are capable of telepathy because I can vividly recall sitting in a circle with several others, being taught by a Nordic how it is done. I can even feel it at times. I'm not sure if it makes any sense to others but he stimulated the part of my/our brain that needs to be used for this. He also taught us levitation the same way. I cannot for the life of understand why they go to all that trouble and then wipe it or try to wipe it out of our memories. It makes absolutely no sense.

    I can also remember a couple of sessions with another species that are very similar looking to Grey's, but not the same. A distant cousin maybe? Anyway, they were teaching me how to move objects with my mind/thoughts. I kept losing my concentration and they would then resort to intimidation tactics.

    Why do they bother taking the time to teach me these things and then try taking away all memory of it?
     
  4. Dejan Corovic

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    No, that is not likely. Intelligence is highly correlated with quality of life and social networking. Yes, people who live in high population density areas are noticeably smarter than people living on lonly farms. There is a significant difference between say, American Africans and black Africans. For example African Americans living in US have on average much higher IQ than African Africans, and although highly controversial and politicized, it was confirmed by studies. And there is just 400 years of separation between them. Funny enough, similar studies were confirmed on grasshoppers with similar results.

    And that is just two factors. One more factor is that one evolutionary step, for a complex mammal spices like ours, takes about 150,000 years. In 1B years you can have 6 species evolving from us. In 2B years you can have 12 species. That means that in the next 1B years homo sapiens should pass through 6 drastically biological changes (that is, if state stops paying social-benefits and survival of the fittest continues). We can't even start predicting how we are going to look like in 1B years. We already have much smaller jaws than gorillas and if that trend continues might end up looking like gray aliens.

    And to trump all the above, we can already change our own genes. Imagine what can we do over next 1B years. At least from some abduction stories it comes out that grays have parallel brains, that work much faster than human brains. Apparently when they read books, they read all pages at once, not page by page, like we do. Remember, we are first primate with brains, so we are effectively in a MS DOS stage. Light years away from what Windows 10 can do.

    To sum it up, aliens are not just intelligent, they are super intelligent. They both evolved and modified themselves beyond anything that we can even comprehend.


    You've been abducted? Pls, tell us more? Have you already pulished your experience somewhere?
     
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  5. Shadowprophet

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    I would like to be that one guy that points out, The psychology of the Classical Alien Abduction is something people need to consider, There is a consistent "amnesia presence" in many abduction cases.

    This is something people really should consider If abductions are or did transpire, It would seem that remembering the event actually is the phenomenon. In many cases, abductees couldn't remember anything they were just having terrifying nightmares and these memories were recalled through therapy.

    Ultimately, What I'm getting at is, Abductions may not be as rare as people believe them to be. Actually remembering the Abduction may be what's so rare in these cases.

    People need to ask themselves, Those that believe anyway, Exactly, Why are they abducting people? Sure we have these stories and theories. But, What if, We are being genetically manipulated directly by some outside force, Have people ever considered that with advanced enough technology, a race of beings could genetically manipulate another race of beings to be more receptive or subservient or useful for particular tasks, it's possible that an advanced enough being could literally genetically manipulate another less advanced race of beings for a verity of reasons. That's an almost a God-like power over another species, And It's all scientifically possible.

    What if, Almost everyone has been abducted and it's just that so few can actually recall it?
     
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  6. Dejan Corovic

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    Although I believe that abductions are regular occurrence, I've never taken any of testimonials as evidence. Abductions are sideshow, we have to treat with caution, but can possibly be a clue into psychology, culture, politics or social structure of aliens. If aliens are here to study us, there is no reason we shouldn't study them.

    For grays, we know that they are comparatively weak, that their eyes are very sensitive to light levels that we find normal, they are afraid of our physical strength and that is why abductees are always immobilizers first etc. Grays seem to be completely disinterested into us. Oddly enough, grays seem to eat their food by absorbing it through their skin. There are some suggestions, from autopsies, that their skin is used for photosynthesis, which makes a lots of sense for a species that specifically evolved to forever live on spaceships. Their mouth has a membrane that is only used for vocalisation, not for eating. They do breath through their nose.

    Nordics are kind off, friendly and compassionate, because we are almost indetical physically. They don't seem to be afraid of our company and can form true friendships and bonds. I would be curious to find out more about their culture and society, but there are almost no clues, at least from witnesses I would consider reliable.

    But this all might be fantasy, or as skeptics put it "collective hallucination" ;-)

    For evidence there is plenty of physical effects, like electro-magnetic, mechanical, relativistic etc.
     
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  7. Shadowprophet

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    Consider for a moment though, Most evidence has a critical time frame. If amnesia is present, The likelihood of someone seeking investigation before any evidence is lost to time is slim at best, I believe this, "Amnesia effect" Is the Key to why there isn't more evidence honestly, It's lost, In the confusion.

    Think about it, Most people who find themselves having missing time don't immediately seek professional help, I don't know if that's human nature or just that we are psychologically conditioned to hide mental crisis, But people, in most cases, will wait until it's an absolute emergency before they will seek any kind of psychiatric help, That's provided that they actually break down and seek that help, In many cases, People Do not seek the help they need.
     
  8. Dejan Corovic

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    Agreed.

    I just hink abdutions make sense, because they would be interested in us as much as we are interested in them. But could we use testimonials as evidence? Not very much, appart from some very strong trends, which reccuringly appear in many of these things.
     
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  9. nivek

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    I can't understand why you said this, perhaps I am interpreting it incorrectly, to me abductions are not a sideshow, this is a real thing happening to many people over the course of their lives in some cases...We cannot write this off as some sideshow...

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  10. Dejan Corovic

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    I appologise, I was not being clear. I would say abductions are sideshow as a solid evidence of alien presence. But since, in my opinion, we have very strong physical evidence that aliens are here, than abductions certainly happen as a secondary consequence of alien presence. Abductions must be the most important part of the reason why they are here.

    Abductions are most certainly the main reason why authorities are hiding alien presence, because authorities can't do anything about it. And if abductions were revealed, than public would want us to go into war with aliens. And that would certainly be suicidal.

    It is noticable when scientists talk about aliens that scientists have attitude of "naive pray". They talk of alliens as if aliens would show respect and equality towards us. Certainly, some aliens would, but majority would not. Majority of aliens would treat us with indiference, more or less like towards specimens. Aliens can do what they want weather we give them permition or not.

    Sun like starts are frequent in Milky Way and most likely intelligent life is relatively abundant, although dispersed all over various stages: from Stone Age cultures to industrial control of general relativity. From alien perspective we would look like yet another civilisation that is behind theirs.
     
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  11. nivek

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    Thanks, I see what you're saying, I'm not sure how many different types of species have been described over the decades, it does seem to be a reoccurring action for some...I think that if some species have relations with others and share knowledge that word would spread about 'discoveries' they make, whether it be a planet full of dangerous primitives such as our planet or some star that they can harness energy from...Of course there are most likely many alien species out there that have little to no relations with others when they don't have to and would not share knowledge or discoveries...

    Yeah I think this is possibly a most likely reason why authorities keep everything top secret, either that or they are working with aliens in some way...

    I do also think many if not most would treat us indifferently and if any of us showed any hostile intentions towards them they would not hesitate to defend themselves and put us down if need be, we should be very cautious about acts of violence towards any visitors, it might be our undoing...I also think there are most likely some aliens who would show benevolence, as well as there are most likely others who would be more malevolent towards us...

    I think many of the older space faring species would most likely migrate to other uninhabited planets in some cases and continue their long history of existence in the galaxy, others many have died out through natural causes, so there is probably a good mix of older technologically advanced species and more primitive species and everything in between...

    We have to be careful when we do eventually venture out into the galaxy or try to contact others, some may be indifferent or friendly but there are likely some who would be hostile towards us if we just dropped in on their home planet or some military base of theirs...We could be starting a war that would be our extinction if we are not careful...

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  12. Dejan Corovic

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    Yep. Aliens are always armed when outside of their craft. It is a small detail in many stories witnesses talk about pencil like small stick, which aliens sometimes point towards people to mime them. Something like high-voltage teaser, but working with super short microwaves. According to explanation of one guy who was a nuclear physicist, this microwaves are so short that they can disasociate atoms from molecules and cause temporary chemical changes in a human body.

    This is pretty much my line of thought. Behaviour of alines would simply follw power law curve. One or two species would be friendly, most will be indifferent, and a tiny minrity would be very agressive. Like everything else in life.

    Technologically, we live in the age of electricity. We are masters of Maxwell's electrodynamics. Electircity is prety low energy stuff. Next level up is general relativity, where energies are mind boglingly high and far more sphisticated and expensive to master. When we get to the level to use Einstein's general relativity on industrial scale, we'll be a match for aliens and they'll treat us as equal, not just as lab monkeys.
     
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  13. nivek

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    We also may go from being lab monkeys to a real threat in their eyes if we are not cautious and wise in our actions...We come from a violent past as a species and they most likely know this, at least our neighbors and some who regularly visit from afar...Most likely we have not encountered any menacing or aggressive types yet, at least it appears we haven't been conquered by any alien species yet, but we have been sending probes out there announcing ourselves and sending radio signals to other systems announcing ourselves...This is a dangerous move and could put an end to our species, not now but in the future if any hostile species are listening in...

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  14. Dejan Corovic

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    You hit a nail on the head here.

    Aliens keep a distance from us just because that they know that we are still half animals. We are just the first species of an intelligent animal. It takes about 100-200 thousand years for a complex new mammalian species to evolve. If they are say 3.5 billion years ahead of us, as 77% of Milky Way's Sun like stars are, they most likely evolved about 14 evolutionary stages ahead of us. That doesn't take into account manipulation of their own genes, as that Chinese scientist just did with our genes few days ago.

    It does look from the stories that aliens, even from different species behave like they are following some strict rules. They avoid any contact and they immediately withdraw back into a craft. They are very disciplined, a real 'corporate man'. They more behave like scientists on duty, than like tourists on holiday. They even wear uniforms etc. That's make sense because interstellar travel is so expensive, that only a civilization as whole can pay for it. Like our Space Station. So there should be no wander at them following some preset procedures.
     
  15. ProjectBlueBook

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    I think these aliens had to many tequilas on their vacation
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    Brazilian Human Mutilation by Aliens

    Maybe there are other types of species out there that don’t follow the rules just like some humans
     
  16. Dejan Corovic

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    Yeah, that's is rarely talked dark sid of the alien abductions. And apparntly all thes injuries were done while he was still alive. Like Kashogi. Nobody knows how many similar cases had happened.

    And injuries are the same as injuries on those mutilated cows: one side of the lip and cheek, anus, behind the ear.

    Do you know of any othr cases like that?
     
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    Not that I could think of at the moment at least that seem credible in my opinion
     

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