Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by Thomas R. Morrison, Jun 6, 2018.
thats pretty much it
the 1930's ghost plane wave?
john keel's theory is that the cosmic trickster knows how to make manifestations in all the radiation spectrums, and due to atoms being basically made of energy they can make physical objects too, a tic-tac would be impossibly easy to "them", in fact john keel has a bunch of identical reports in "operation trojan horse"
hmmm i see some inconsistense here, you said before that the only "alien" (pardon the pun) thing about UFOs are the gravity drive they use, now you say that they are far beyond your capabilities, again CE3 reports go angaist both stataments but i heard you dont believe in them, so okay
not really true, in fact its better if i write it myself, otherwise the A.i would make most of my posts unreadable
i actually can make huge posts, but i think that most of the times we need to be as objective as possible
i take any whistleblower claim with a planet made of salt, in fact to this day i have only seen 2 or 3 that semmed plausible and likely enough to probally be true
uh oh, STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING EXOPOLITICS RELATED!
these are the same guys that brought corey goode into the lime light and i find it disturbing to see a scientist like you believing anything they say
Not really true, perhaps 10 years ago or even 5 but the translator matrix is much much better and more improved now, like I said with the exception of a small number of languages, maybe Portuguese is difficult for AI not sure...
Remember this when you come here in full skepti-bunk mode quickly debunking other threads...
thats pretty much it
the paranormal seems to be a huge prank being played by a unknow entity on earth
yep i am gonna wait a bit more, until them i will use my own brain
i debunk what i know has a better explanation than the one presented in the thread, this is also objective
Yeah no doubt it's what I'd do.
All this talk of fantasy aliens from magical dimensions we must include fairies, leprechauns, and djinn oh wait and don't forget the goblins and elves.
Then you should say hello to @Oli
hes from portugal, i am from brazil
there are some differences in the gramatics
Oh, Dint know you guys had problems talking ,lol
U speak Brazilian ?
yep, there are some differences
If he thinks that all ufos (even the clearly physical technological devices that we're seeing in the Nimitz case and similar cases) are manifestations of the same thing that was behind the Mothman incidents, then he's wrong. Because A.) it's crazy to try to explain all anomalous sightings with a single postulate, and B.) it's even crazier to think that some essentially omnipotent being is making material devices out of energy when a far simpler explanation exists (which is backed up by several branches of known science from physics and astrophysics to astrobiology etc.).
Science instructs us to form our hypotheses conservatively (Occam's razor). That's worked out pretty well so far. It's more likely that these solid technological devices are exactly that, rather than they were synthesized via inconceivable processes by an inconceivable being from an inconceivable plane of existence that remains totally unknown to science.
Don't do that: if you think you're going to find logical inconsistencies in my reasoning, you're wrong, and you will fail.
I never said the "only thing" alien about ufos is their gravitational field propulsion system. But clearly that propulsion principle is far beyond our current capabilities - that concept is at the cutting edge of our most advanced theoretical physics and remains far beyond our capability to engineer. It's spacetime engineering, and a fairly exotic form of spacetime engineering at that. To date, humans have yet to produce any detectable gravitational field in the lab.
To put that in perspective: the first gravitational wave that the LIGO facility picked up in 2015, arrived from a distance of about 1.4 billion light-years away. To date, we haven't been able to achieve a detectable gravitational signal using equipment placed in the same room as the detector. And that's the easy part. We have yet to even conceive of a method for producing the inverse gravitational field required to actually build a gravity field propulsion mechanism. So it might take a million years, or perhaps a billion years, before we'll be able to build that kind of technology, unless we make some totally unforeseeable and radical discovery that changes the game. So yes, this kind of technology is vastly beyond our capabilities at this time - but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep looking for ways to accelerate progress in that direction, because that kind of technology will transform human civilization.
And I didn't say that I disbelieve all CE3 reports, I just said that without supporting evidence it's impossible to sort the true stories from the fake ones, which makes them worthless as a data set.
It's rare, but it does happen. And when it's genuine, we get data that we would never have gotten otherwise, so it's worthwhile to figure out which ones are real and which ones are disinformation.
This is why blanket conclusions are so dangerous: I discovered that connection on my own, because I was reading up on the Snowden leaks, and I recognized the onion principle security apparatus described in those documents from hearing Dan Sherman's interview from 16 years earlier. So I checked to see if anyone else had noticed the connection, and found Scalla's post. So regardless of their mistakes, with this post they were correct, and the data exists independently of them so anybody can verify it for themselves.
i think its best if you read his book first before claiming anything,, he explains everthing way better there and i am sure that by the end of the book you will agree with him
technology doesnt explains all the numerous anomalies reported over the years
you are right, in fact i will only believe on it when somebody reproduce it in a lab
oops.... that seems like too much time, i doubt ET life would be a lot older than us
then you are gonna love those books!
a example of a whistle blower who i think is legit, was a woman who said that while working at the deeply classified marconi labs, one day a UFOnaut was seen by a security guard there inspecting some top secret files, the UFOnaut disappeared seconds after the guard saw it
no problem, just warning you
Very well said!
I never said it did - in fact I've consistently stated that I favor a diverse explanatory spectrum for the various classes of sighting events, over a single explanation, which I feel is overly simplisitc. I don't understand why nobody seems to hear me.
This "all or nothing" thinking is the problem. It's a big, weird, diverse cosmos - it's unthinkable that we have yet to understand only one of its myriad anomalous features.
So you wont believe in gravity until someone can reproduce it in the lab....? 0.o Because that's what we're talking about here: the laws of gravity, which are extremely well-defined and verified to very high precision.
Haven't you read the OP? Analyses of the Kepler Mission data have yielded empirical estimates for the average age of habitable star systems in the range of 1-3 billion years older than the solar system. So, on average, other alien civilizations will be billions of years ahead of us.
That's intriguing - I'll be happy to include CE3 cases in my reasoning, in instances where the supporting evidence is credible and compelling. I'm aware of a few that sounded promising, but frankly they all seemed to confirm the ETH.
At this point it wouldn't really surprise me if we learned that some government agency or another has had contact with alien beings - if "they" wanted to make contact, then they certainly could. Maybe they've even struck a deal with some secret group. I try not to rule anything out just because it sounds bizarre. Relativity and quantum field theory would've sounded bizarre to 18th Century theorists.
Fair enough - it's good to be wary. But in this case there are two independent sources confirming the same very specific information (Snowden's leaked documents, and Dan Sherman's account), and that can't be discounted just because we don't trust a third party who happened to write about it.
crossover experinces are the smoking gun that its all the same thing
gravity is something that has already been proven, control of it has been not
still i doubt there would be difference
wait for it
this case sounds more like aliens spying your works, according to the story they did a total lockdown of the facility after the humanoid was seen
this is a classic case of disinfo: mix mundane real information (the chain of command) with bizzare fake information (the alien contact), because of course if one thing is true the other should therefore also be the truth!
We would have never known about the Pentagon's AATIP if not for Luis Elizondo, and concluding the origin of these craft are not human made craft yet they fly in our airspace is a huge revelation...The videos released and subsequent testimony are a very small portion of the whole, where is the rest of it?...I have to assume about 90 percent of the videos has not been released or seen by the public, why?...What is in those videos the DoD does not want us to see?...Was there aggressive behaviour displayed by the UFO?...Was the alien craft shot down and recorded on video?...Does this drip drip of releasing this information imply a probable disclosure across the board but in the form of breadcrumbs only or is there a release looming in the near future of substantial significance?...Something people must realize too, the Department of Defense has never released significant video of American fighter jets intercepting a non-human made craft...By the way, disinformation and distractions are spreading to overly saturate this topic with nonsense...
Tic Tac UFO Executive Report
There is no smoking gun...The interdimensional (blanket) argument is one that resonates similar to the nirvana fallacy of comparing actual things or actual evidence with unrealistic, idealized alternatives with the tendency to assume that the unrealistic, idealized alternative is a perfect solution to a particular problem and to which covers all other problems...
This is another fallacy, a no true Scotsman fallacy, post-rationalizing, you're making an appeal to righteousness in order to dismiss the relevant criticisms and/or flaws of your argument...
Have you read the books you have asked us to read?...
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