Ion Propulsion System

Toroid

Founding Member
NASA & Aerojet Rocketdyne have revealed a major step forward in the ion engine design.
The engine that could take man to Mars: NASA reveals latest tests of radical ion propulsion system | Daily Mail Online
Engineers from NASA and Aerojet Rocketdyne have revealed a major step forward in a radical ion engine designed to get man to Mars.

Known as a Hall Thruster, it uses electric and magnetic fields to ionize gases like xenon and expels the ions to produce thrust.

The technique is much cleaner, safer and more fuel efficient than traditional chemical rockets, but the trade off is relatively low thrust and acceleration.

NASA gave Aerojet Rocketdyne a three year, $67m contract to develop the system, known as the Advanced Electric Propulsion System (AEPS).

Work performed under the contract could potentially increase spaceflight transportation fuel efficiency by 10 times over current chemical propulsion technology and more than double thrust capability compared to current electric propulsion systems.

The core technology – the Hall thruster – is already in use for manoeuvring satellites in orbit around the Earth.

Aerojet Rocketdyne says it has now successfully completed its early systems integration test for the radical engine.

It is developing a 13-kilowatt Hall thruster string for NASA.

The test at NASA's Glenn Research Center in Cleveland, Ohio, proved the system's ability to successfully convert power at a high efficiency level, producing minimal waste heat.

'By staying on the cutting edge of propulsion technology, we have positioned ourselves for a major role not only in getting back to the Moon, but also in any future initiative to send people to Mars,' said Eileen Drake, Aerojet Rocketdyne CEO and president.

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spacecase0

earth human
I have played with ion propulsion enough to know that if you start playing with this you find "something new"
just wondering if they are trying to pass off more advanced tech as something old and that that useful
if I am correct, then it will work better than we would have expected.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I've seen people who get Ionic propulsion and EM drive theory mixed up.

EM drive has been a theory that never really made sense and got a few inaccurate experiments performed on it, and was ultimately ruled once again impossible. RF resonant cavity thruster - Wikipedia

While Ionic propulsion is in its infancy, It's a very real thing and could someday be practical. Ion thruster - Wikipedia The problem with ionic thrusters as I understand it is, The time it takes to gain exponential acceleration, Sometimes months, Maybe even years, with an ionic thruster. However, Given enough time to accelerate they can be incredibly fast. It looks promising.
 

spacecase0

earth human
I have built ion propulsion systems,
and it is pretty clear that with some of them, it is not ions doing most of the movement.
I figured out there was something more there than the ions, but did not document it.
some group called the "army research laboratory" noticed the same thing, but they did document it.
my results agree with what they say.
arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf

there is lots of potential here.
and I think it lies in changing the format of the device they show.
my plan was to use magnetic induction to induce a shaped electrostatic field.
that way it there is no insulator to break down, you could then build it out of metal or air and it would work just fine.
what gets me looking at what I was trying to do along those lines is that if you change your logic frame around to seeing an unequal time field that causes gravity, you end up wanting to build the exact same hardware.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I have built ion propulsion systems,
and it is pretty clear that with some of them, it is not ions doing most of the movement.
I figured out there was something more there than the ions, but did not document it.
some group called the "army research laboratory" noticed the same thing, but they did document it.
my results agree with what they say.
arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0211/0211001.pdf

there is lots of potential here.
and I think it lies in changing the format of the device they show.
my plan was to use magnetic induction to induce a shaped electrostatic field.
that way it there is no insulator to break down, you could then build it out of metal or air and it would work just fine.
what gets me looking at what I was trying to do along those lines is that if you change your logic frame around to seeing an unequal time field that causes gravity, you end up wanting to build the exact same hardware.
i love your research reports
you should do more of them, they are very fascinating to read
 

spacecase0

earth human
not sure I remember any experiments until someone mentions similar ones

also, that field I mentioned in my last post, it may need to be pulsed to work.
 
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