Is this happening to America right now ?

dr wu

Noble
Less than a 20 percent of the black population in the US has been vaccinated who are mostly liberal voters and less than 20 percent of the hispanic/latino population in the US have been vaccinated, the elephant in the room facts that everyone seems to sidestep but are quick to point fingers towards other (political/religious) groups to blame to continue to make this a political issue when it's not...

Latest Data on COVID-19 Vaccinations by Race/Ethnicity

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That's true on blacks and hispanics but it's also true that far more Republicans than Dems have not gotten vaccinated.
And Republicans are vocal about it also.
 

dr wu

Noble
In my opinion, the fact that it was so easy for him to do that is a sign that there has already been a problem and someone mentioned the seething anger that a lot of U.S. Americans have, that is now coming to a head with very little prompting. I think it would have come to this no matter who won the presidency. Neither candidate was trust worthy, and it was obvious, and the third choice, the only one that was available in all 50 states was not making any effort, so she was just a place holder, a disappointment for those of us who feel that the only fix is to break the stranglehold the parties have on our election system.
The strangle hold has far more to do with Congress...imho, both houses, than the President.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
Assuming that the 'lack of leadership' thing is true.

What exactly do y'all want your leader of choice to do ?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I think it was going on before that. The people who wanted Hilary Clinton as president were just as rabid and she is no better a leader than Trump. The difference between them was who supported them and that Hilary was born into politics and Trump was born to be a con man.

By my observations, I think the current psychosis began around midway through George W. Bush's presidency with both the left and the right being rattled year after year since then...The left and right being two ends of the same political stick, the 1% elites who actually run this country don't care which political party controls the presidency and Congress since they are the one's who are holding that stick, both parties answer to the same 1% elite who always get their way, they are in control and have been for a long time...Once enough political division is created in the masses, both the right and left leaning people's cannot even recognize the center anymore, anything spoken the rubs the left wrong is automatically assumed to come from the right and vise versa, both do not know what centrist political discussion is any longer since the people are so divided...Many who cannot see this have ties with one side or the other, they are looking through those filters of division and don't even know what's in their own cupboards...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Assuming that the 'lack of leadership' thing is true.

What exactly do y'all want your leader of choice to do ?

Honestly, it's easier to say what I don't want. I don't want orange bombast that gets laughed at at the UN or just never, ever seems to know when to shut their mouth, don't want another product installed by the media, either the doddering old kind or the one that umms and ahhs and lectures pedantically or even that failed one that talks about glass ceilings that we all know she actually eats a squealing human baby for breakfast each morning (but have to suffer anyway). Or another member of a political family dynasty that smacks of heredity leadership and all the good things that come from that.

Would it be too much to ask for someone who actually seems to have some talent, can actually speak like a normal person, who appears to have the mental acuity to understand the issues at hand and act upon them effectively or at least appear to. Who doesn't giggle for Christ's sake. I don't care if I'm fed a line of complete bullshit, I expect it - that's what leaders are there for.

In the Roman Republic proconsuls served for one year and got there by ruthless pursuit and had to have actual ability because his political base and a number of others could actually kill him if he royally ****ed up. I figured if I was making a wish list I may as well ask for that.
 

dr wu

Noble
By my observations, I think the current psychosis began around midway through George W. Bush's presidency with both the left and the right being rattled year after year since then...The left and right being two ends of the same political stick, the 1% elites who actually run this country don't care which political party controls the presidency and Congress since they are the one's who are holding that stick, both parties answer to the same 1% elite who always get their way, they are in control and have been for a long time...Once enough political division is created in the masses, both the right and left leaning people's cannot even recognize the center anymore, anything spoken the rubs the left wrong is automatically assumed to come from the right and vise versa, both do not know what centrist political discussion is any longer since the people are so divided...Many who cannot see this have ties with one side or the other, they are looking through those filters of division and don't even know what's in their own cupboards...

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Who are the 1% elite....I'd like to hear some names ,orgs , businesses, etc.....and it would be interesting to see if they have a political stance. Do they actually vote? And what exactly is the so-called 'centrist' position..? What do they actually stand for...ideas...and points of view? What orgs, people, and groups represent the 'centrist' position?
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I think the current psychosis began around midway through George W. Bush's presidency

Well put - except I would have said George Washington's presidency.

There has always been cat shit nasty political division. Difference now is the scale and sophistication and the agility to transmit information globally instantly. Net result is that you must be put in one camp or the the other, there is no middle ground.

There was a series not long ago - not very good either as I recall. Designated Survivor. The idea of replacing virtually ALL of our elected officials in one fell swoop appeals to me.
 

nivek

As Above So Below

Those links contain polls and opinions, not actual data...This whole post is biased and contains no factual data...

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dr wu

Noble
Those links contain polls and opinions, not actual data...This whole post is biased and contains no factual data...

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They are full of facts...just read them all..btw the very first link is from KFF site the same link you used.....
I'm retired but I can check your eyes if you want me to. :Thumbsup:
 

nivek

As Above So Below
They are full of facts...just read them all..btw the very first link is from KFF site the same link you used.....
I'm retired but I can check your eyes if you want me to. :Thumbsup:

Did you actually read it yourself, surveys are not facts, polls are not facts...Perhaps you should get your eyes checked or get some glasses on...

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nivek

As Above So Below
People are uneducated, naive, panicky, biased, and silly.

You must think of yourself as very special...People are people and quite a mix and variety but still they are human beings, not disposable objects nor garbage to be tossed in the bin...Just because you don't agree with some people's view doesn't make them garbage, except in your own mind...

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dr wu

Noble
Did you actually read it yourself, surveys are not facts, polls are not facts...Perhaps you should get your eyes checked or get some glasses on...

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They are indeed facts regarding polls....but please tell us how one would get the same info on those not taking vaccines without polling people since they are not going to come forward to tell....we are all ears oh wise one. :unsure8:
And I'll repeat since you ignored it...your link came from the fist link I used!
 
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dr wu

Noble
You must think of yourself as very special...People are people and quite a mix and variety but still they are human beings, not disposable objects nor garbage to be tossed in the bin...Just because you don't agree with some people's view doesn't make them garbage, except in your own mind...

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Where is this coming from...do you feel persecuted or something..? Why are you so defensive ? No one is disposing of anyone...it seems this is something in your mind. Read what's on the page not what you think you want to read. :huh8:
 
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HAL9000

Honorable
You must think of yourself as very special...People are people and quite a mix and variety but still they are human beings, not disposable objects nor garbage to be tossed in the bin...Just because you don't agree with some people's view doesn't make them garbage, except in your own mind...

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But there are humans, and there are other humans.

How would you describe the people who attacked the Capital on January 6th ?

Easy enough to say they were led on by Trump's agenda, but would it not be fair to say they should have known better than to partake in such an action.

And remember the old axiom, 'The barbarians will always win if you let them'.

Could not a very large proportion of the mob be described as barbarians ?
 

nivek

As Above So Below
since they are not going to come forward to tell....

You answered it yourself here, if the data cannot be acquired then one cannot simply grab something like a poll and call it fact...Polls and surveys are not facts, if the facts cannot be obtained then correct data is not obtained, simple...Stop listening to the propaganda of your party flavour, lately you seem to degenerate every discussion into how right the left is and how wrong the right is, when you cannot see that both sides are the same political machine...You fall into a trap they hope people will fall into in order to further divide the people and the country...Not everything in our society occurs because of some political ideology but that's the manipulation being pushed and its disgusting, I'm not affiliated with either side of this political mess and tire of it creeping into every aspect of our lives like it seems to be doing here again...

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HAL9000

Honorable
What's your description of these "other humans"?...

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Well, I need to quote you first.

...People are people and quite a mix and variety but still they are human beings, not disposable objects nor garbage to be tossed in the bin...

And you are correct in that they are not disposable objects. But their difference of opinion are not something that concerns me.

It is the more serious stuff.

Being human generally means that you behave in a normal considered manner.

So if we take the people who commit the atrocity in places like Afghanistan, or any other place. Or the killers who seem to be growing in number among us. Should they be considered 'human', or as the animals they more closely resemble ?

We can never have a properly working society as long as these 'humans' can do the things they do.

But there seems a reluctance to dispose of them even when they are eventually caught.

And yes, I do support the death penalty for killers.

p.s. How do you enable the colour highlighting on this site ?
 
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