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  1. wwkirk

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    Man who exposed ‘Area 51 UFO tests’ claims US government still monitors him 30 years later

    The man who exposed Area 51 to the world is still being tracked by the U.S. Government, he claims.

    Bob Lazar claims to have seen test flights of nine captured UFOs, and says he even worked as an engineer on the alien spacecrafts, in a TV interview in 1989.

    Now a new documentary, Bob Lazar: Area 51 and Flying Saucers, takes a deep dive into his theories and where is now.

    Thirty years ago he claimed to have worked near Area 51 at hangar S-4 where he claims UFOs with tiny alien seats were made out of a material called Element 115.

    Going by the fake name Dennis, he told reporters: "The propulsion system is a gravity propulsion system. The power source is an antimatter reactor. This technology does not exist at all."

    The U.S. Government always denied the existence of Area 51 until five years ago when CIA documents listed it as an aviation test site.

    Lazar described the cover up as "a crime against the scientific community".

    He later claimed the Government had threatened his life, his wife and family in an effort to silence him.

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    In the documentary he says he regrets blowing the whistle on the alien test site, adding: "At this point in my life, I’d probably lean towards not saying anything."

    These days he lives in Michigan with wife Joy and and runs United Nuclear, selling lasers, chemicals and science products.

    Lazar claims the FBI once raided his lab, saying: "At the risk of sounding paranoid, I do always have a suspicion that someone is monitoring me – it’s something that is difficult to get out of my mind."

    Nowadays he actively ignores tales of aliens and space craft.

    He added: "I do not follow UFO stories or reports and am not interested in researching life outside of Earth.

    "My primary interest was, and still is, the incredibly advanced technology. I know if we can control and develop it, it can change the world."

    The journalist who introduced Lazar to the public, George Knapp backs-up his story adding: "His vehicle also had break-ins. Mind games being played. Threats were issued

    "Lazar and others were bugged and followed, and it certainly seemed like someone wanted to frighten him into remaining silent, or maybe they wanted to drive him a little crazy.

    "I was present for many of these events. I saw them with my own eyes, and I witnessed the aftermath as well."

    But Lazar's reputation has taken a kicking throughout the years - like when researchers failed to find a record of him attending his alleged schools, MIT and the California Institute of Technology.

    He tells the documentary: "How can I prove anything else? Do you think Los Alamos just hired me out of high school?"

    Documentary filmmaker Jeremy Corbell told Mail Online: "If this story’s true, it is probably the most important UFO story in human history, because it reveals the truth."
     
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  2. erickson

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    I am always interested in the "if . . . then" type of approach. How many times have various ufologists and ancient alien pundits said things like "if this is true, then it suggests" just before they start to explain it all. You end up like the coyote cartoons, running over the cliff, walking on air, looking down at the ground, wondering how you got into that position. Just before you fall.

    So in this case, it is equally accurate to say that if the story is not true, then it does not reveal the truth.

    As to Lazar, I don't need element 115, but it would have been nice to drive down the road using his hydrogen kit.
     
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  3. Double Nought Spy

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    The idea Bob is anything but a con artist is right up there with the flat Earth silliness. Surely the evidence speaks for itself. I know some people can't be arsed to look at the evidence. I suppose some just don't want the story to be bullshit, so they go into denial. Not only are Lazar's claims demonstrably false, the real story of his background is easy to find. Here's a link to a great place to start. Be aware, though, some of it is not pleasant. Bob's a real prince.

    The Lazar Timeline

    Back in '88 or whenever the story broke, I was excited about it. It seemed to be a solid revelation of something fantastic. Soon though, for anyone interested in the actual truth, it all fell apart. We had two choices, really: Shrug it off with something like "Oh well, another flake." or go into denial. Some are still on their denial trips.
     
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  4. wwkirk

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    On iTunes, the movie already has 50 5 star reviews.
     
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  5. Richard

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    Leading to a whole new generation being hoodwinked believing the BS
     
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  6. wwkirk

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    On Amazon, it has 77% 5 star.
     
  7. MDecon

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    He has not once presented any substantiated evidence, to back any of his claims.


    Isn't that amazing?
     
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  8. wwkirk

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    130 5 star reviews on iTunes
    74% 5 star on Amazon
     
  9. Alex Krycek

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    My biggest issue with the Lazar story is that i can't believe that Bob Lazar just happened to know John Lear. Are we suppose to believe that a close friend of one of the biggest UFO conspiracy theorists got a job working on UFOs for the goverment ?. Keep in mind Bob knew John BEFORE he supposedly got to S4
     
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  10. SOUL-DRIFTER

    SOUL-DRIFTER Life Long Researcher

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    There was a time I held out 10% for the possibility he could be telling the truth at least on some of it.
    Now I hold 0%.
     
  11. nivek

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    Artificially inflated by his followers and believers...

    ...
     
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  13. wwkirk

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    Bob Lazar is widely accepted in Facebook UFO groups.

    On the other hand, while Nick Redfern doesn't accept that what Lazar says is true, he doesn't consider him a hoaxer. He thinks he worked at Area 51 but was used to spread disinformation. The powers that be evaluated him as someone who couldn't keep his mouth shut, and so they fed him false info and maybe even showed him a dummy designed to look like an alien.
     
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  14. humanoidlord

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    yes this is very odd
    and one of the biggest points angaist his story

    as for my thoughts about him, read this: Looking at the Bob Lazar story from the perspective of 2018
     
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  15. nivek

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  16. pigfarmer

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    Him and Imbrogno
     
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  17. humanoidlord

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    not really, imbrogno just released a book that has nothing to do with UFOs and from what i can see the book is not very well know
     
  18. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    There’s no doubt in my mind that Lazar’s story is a hoax or perhaps a disinformation operation of some kind: he clearly lied about his academic credentials, which is irrefutable from the public records compiled in the Lazar Timeline. So his far more flamboyant claims must also be lies.

    But the author of that article above has no idea what he’s talking about when he says:

    “It [Moscovium, aka element 115] has a very short half-life so there is no way to accumulate pounds of it. It has a verifiable half-life of only 220 milliseconds. They now known half-life of the element destroys any childish idea of the “Island of Stability” hypothesis. “

    Wrong and wrong. Nuclear physicists at the Joint Institute of Nuclear Research (JINR) in Dubna, Russia (the leading team in the world with superheavy element synthesis), have only managed to synthesize four unstable isotopes of Moscovium.

    There are much more stable isotopes of Moscovium awaiting discovery: some of the very heavy neutron-rich isotopes will be much more stable than the ones we’ve seen so far. But we don’t have the technology to synthesize those isotopes, which are on the Island of Stability. It’s probably going to take a new generation of pulsed nuclear reactor to synthesize isotopes which reside on the island.

    The island of stability definitely exists. And the top researchers in the field predict that some of the isotopes on the island, including Moscovium isotopes, are expected to have half-lives on the order of thousands or even millions of years:

    “Some new calculations indicate that on the map of nuclei heavyweights form a large enough area, called the “Island of Stability” of superheavy elements (see Fig.1). In the region where the liquid-drop model predicted that the nuclei should decay within 10e^-19 sec, now the half-lives of «long-lived» nuclei at the peak of the island of stability are expected to reach thousands and even millions of years”
    http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/337/1/012005/pdf

    There are plenty of legitimate ways to debunk Bob Lazar’s claims. Misrepresenting the status of nuclear physics research and the existence of the island of stability is not one of those ways.
     
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  19. humanoidlord

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    a third option is the theory by tom mahood that he lied about the saucers to hide real classified work going in area 51 that involved ionization of the air via proton beams
     
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