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  1. Standingstones

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    Imbrogno appears to want to make a comeback. He released a book called "Strange Heavens" in December 2018. Maybe he feels the coast is clear now.
     
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  2. APIGuy

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    Except a proton number of 115 (Muscovium) is a bit north of the best estimates where that island might be at around N = 184. See Figure 4 of Karpov & Zagrabaev (2012).
     
  3. Thomas R. Morrison

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    No you're not reading it right. Theoretical predictions put Z = 114 and N = 184 at the center of the island of stability (and another island is predicted around Z = 120-130). Moscovium is only one proton above that and still well within the island of stability. Various theoretical models predict a dizzying range of half-lives in that region, and we won't know which ones are right until we synthesize the neutron-rich isotopes of Moscovium, which we don't have the technology to do yet.

    I've highlighted the isotopes of Element 115 which are predicted to be on the island in red on the chart; you have to count carefully from the bottom because the numbers aren't placed precisely where they should be:

    Moscovium.jpg

    We have a Physics Frontiers episode about the island of stability at this link, for anyone who'd like to hear more about it:

    The Island of Stability | Free Podcasts | Podomatic"
     
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  4. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light Don't mistake lack of talent for genius

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    :confusion:
     
  5. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    comeback? i din't even see a mainstream review of his book, i don't call that a comeback
     
  6. wwkirk

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    On Amazon, it has only one review.
     
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  7. humanoidlord

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    yep, sounds about right
     
  8. Creepy Green Light

    Creepy Green Light Don't mistake lack of talent for genius

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    I wonder if we will ever get the truth about Lazar? I have a feeling that he's going to go the way of Roswell (we will never know).
     
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  9. wwkirk

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    I like Nick Redfern's take. He's a dupe manipulated to disseminate disinformation.
     
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  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I think it's crystal clear from The Lazar Timeline that his story is fake; I'm shocked that anyone could be on the fence about it at this point - the data is damning.

    I like Boyd Bushman's hypothesis - that Bob Lazar was recruited by counterintelligence to disseminate a bogus story for a specific purpose. That seems to fit all of the data perfectly: it explains why his story has been so consistent across so many interviews for such a long span of time (it sounds totally scripted), and it explains why Bob was accompanied by "minders" at public appearances in the 90s. Bob was the perfect choice for a disinformation operation: a bright but sketchy guy with a big ego and a thirst for money and notoriety (the rocket car was classic attention-seeking behavior).

    But in any case, it's very clear that he's lying. He lied about his credentials, so he's lying about the rest too. And with his bankruptcies there's no way he'd get a highly sensitive security clearance - people with serious money troubles are too great of a security risk.
     
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  11. Rick Hunter

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    That's what I am leaning towards. Remember, AFOSI was very active in disinformation at the time. I think it is plausible that Bob worked at Los Alamos. His name was found in a directory for the facility, and George Knapp states that Bob seemed to be very familiar with the place when they visited it. Of course, that doesn't mean he did anything important there. He could have been a low ranking technician or something like that. He could have even worked at A51, after all thousands of people have worked there over the years. Bringing him to A51 and showing him amazing things which were fabricated could have been part of AFOSI's plan, just as they fed the false radio transmissions to Paul Bennewitz.
     
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  12. APIGuy

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    here's just what I know about:
    • Bennewitz, as documented by Greg Bishop and others. A major gaslighting campaign that drove the man over the edge.
    • Bill Moore (who thought he was helping to gaslight Bennewitz, but was being set up himself)
    • Linda Moulton Howe (on the Roswell case, also in Bishops's book)
    • Simone Mendez (not sure if she was original target, but it seems likely).
    • UFO Coverup Live
    • Howard Blum (possibly) for his book "Out There".
    • Jacques Vallee, although he recognized it for what it was at the time. See his book "Revelations".
    • Bob Lazar? I think it's likely, but the connection has not been made. Corbell claims Lazar is not fantasy prone, but he's hardly a person qualified to evaluate that. It's certainly a fantasy that Lazar went to Caltech - does he actually believe he did?
    There were probably quite a few others that never managed to surface. Who did I miss?
     
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  13. Rick Hunter

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    How about Lazar's pals John Lear and Gene Huff? Lear himself seems like a very ripe target for disinformation, he absolutely runs with it. Same for Linda Moulton Howe. I respect her 1970's and 80's investigation of cattle mutilation but sadly she has plunged headlong into the abyss since that time.
     
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  14. Niku120

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    Nail on the head dude, Howe lost her mind a decade ago.
     
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  15. humanoidlord

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    the story is obviously bogus, the question here is why? was thomas mahood correct and he was trying to cover up a secret military project involving air ionization? wich is what john lear and friends captured?
    was he a victim of MKULTRA or a doty like character? or was he just doing it for the money?
     
  16. humanoidlord

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    john lear, one of the main victims, today he is a absolute nut that believes that every planet in the solar system is habitable and that gas giants doesn't exist, it just goes worse from there
     
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  17. humanoidlord

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    very sad too, the cattle mutilation phenomena is one of the main pillars of the UFO phenomena, it has been going since at least the point pleasant days but was only investigated seriously beggining in 1973
     
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  18. Rick Hunter

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    Events which could be considered livestock theft and mutilation by paranormal entities have been going on since ancient times. They were usually given religious or folk magic explanations until the past few hundred years.
     
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  20. Double Nought Spy

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    Glenn Campbell has an interesting theory, for which there is actual evidence. For me, it's the most likely explanation. Disinfo? Well, he spread plenty of that, but it doesn't fit as far as I'm concerned, for a number of reasons. I don't care enough to argue about it though. It's all bullshit one way or another and there is no doubt the spooks capitalized on it.

    John Lear is an interesting character. He's obviously nuts, but he is articulate and I'm sure very engaging in person. He played a pivotal role in quite a few UFO stories back in the day, but he's mostly forgotten these days.
     
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