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  1. Dean

    Dean Adept Dabbler

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    You mean like his claim that gravity and electromagnetic radiation are one and the same?
     
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  2. Dejan Corovic

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    There is lots of things. He didn't claim anything, he just made observations.

    I count statistical trends in physical observations of all witnesses. More physical trends one witness hits, trends that others witnesses before and after him observed, higher I rate his testimonial. If a witness mentions something that no other witness mentioned before him and that something is 100% little known scientific phenomena, that counts very high, as well. Additionally, if witness makes a scientific prediction that comes true in a future, I count him as golden.

    - He said that everything was pewter in color, inside and outside of the craft. By far, the largest percentage of UFO witnesses, before and after Bob Lazar, said the same thing.

    - He said that outer wall panels of the craft would became transparent. Lots of witnesses reported UFO crafts being transparent when looked from inside out. And, I now know for the 100% fact that, at least most metals, can became transparent like a glass under certain conditions.

    - He predicted element 114. That's completely indisputable. One has 1 in 1,000,000 chance of accidentally making scientific prediction.

    - He said that they were able to communicate with person inside the craft with UHF radio. That means that pewter material was not conductor, because conductor would form Faraday's cage and radio waves wouldn't go through, but around the craft.

    - He said that on inside everything was curved, like if made of wax. Every physicist would tell you that all fields, electromagnetic and gravitational, don't like sharp angles. Fields loose energy at sharp corners. If everything is curved on inside, that means that when craft is operational, walls of the craft are filled with electromagnetic radiation. Many abductees reported the same.

    - One little detail he explained about the propulsion, was recently explained by an scientist, but I can't elaborate on that.

    - When craft was hovering 3-6 feet off the ground there was a blue plasma gathering around the bottom center of the craft. Earth is conductive, when a high voltage object is close to a conductor, all electrons in it will travel towards nearest spot to that conductor. That's called electrostatic induction. So voltage around the bottom center of the hull was getting higher and producing blue plasma. This is very physically consistent little detail.
     
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  3. nivek

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    His false claims and lies have been revealed and debunked decades ago, it's astonishing to me that people still think he has presented anything else but lies and deception...He is clearly taking advantage of ufology for monetary gain and attention...

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  4. Dean

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    He claimed a great many things. Of the claims that can be objectively checked, a great many have long since been found to be false, including his claims to hold master's degrees from Cal Tech and MIT. Faced with such disconfirmations, True Believers in the Lazar cult invent ever-more-convoluted rationalizations, edit what he said years ago, etc.

    Despite his denials, Lazar was clearly well acquainted with "UFO lore" prior to coming forward with his stories, describing things that other people had described earlier adds nothing to his credibility. To cite just one example, when purportedly assigned to ed to S-4, Lazar said he saw that the security badges read "Majestic." Lazar: "It made me crack a smile," as he recognized the reference to the then-popular "MJ-12" stories. Said Lazar, "I began to wonder is this really the Majestic everyone talks about, or was it something done for nostalgia reasons...?" (Dreamland: Travels Inside the Secret World of Roswell and Area 51, by Phil Patton, 1998, p. 32)

    I think you mean "Element 115," which the world knows as ununpentium or Moscovium, although Lazar sells coffee mugs and T-shirts that call an Element 115 isotope "Lazarium." No kidding.

    A 1-in-1000000 chance, you say, that Lazar would "predict" the existence of an element between 114 and 116 on the Periodic Table of the Elements? Hmmmm, I'd say the odds were more like 1-in-1. Let's see what Stuart Robbins had to say on this subject in his article about Lazar's Element 115 claims:

    Scientists were openly predicting that these elements existed at least in the 1960s, over two decades before Bob Lazar made his claims about element 115. So the very fact that he incorporated ununpentium into his story, and then ununpentium was synthesized, does NOT mean that his story is automatically true.

    That may seem like an obvious statement to many of you, but you’re an elite audience; many people miss or choose not to understand this, evidenced by the fact that when ununpentium was first possibly observed in a particle accelerator, various chatrooms and forums on the internet lit up with statements that Bob Lazar was vindicated.

    Unfortunately, the very method of his apparent vindication - that element 115 had finally been created - directly contradicts a key claim that Bob Lazar made: Ununpentium cannot be synthesized in a lab. That it must be found in naturally occurring deposits that can only be made in high-mass star systems.

    This itself makes no sense. Stars during their normal life produce nothing heavier than iron because everything heavier than iron takes more energy than it gives up in the fusion process. It’s only in supernova explosions that you get heavier elements, including the ones with very short half-lives like probably ununpentium, which means that if there’s a stable isotope, it should be everywhere because the entirety of our galaxy has been seeded by supernova explosions by this point in time. . . .

    Nothing about his story checks out. Nothing he said about ununpentium checks out, other than it exists, but even embedded within the validation of ununpentium’s existence is a refutation of Bob Lazar’s story: He said it couldn’t be manufactured.

    And so, we’re left with a fun story and nothing else but some lessons we can carry over to other fields. I don’t have to tell you that because Spiderman takes place in New York City, and New York City is real, that does not mean Spiderman is real. I don’t have to tell you that because scientists are working on ways to make things invisible, that means Harry Potter is real.​
     

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  5. Thomas R. Morrison

    Thomas R. Morrison Unapologetic Rationalist & Grand Regent of Taraka

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    Smh... I don't know what you mean by "UFO physics," but if it bears any resemblance to our Earth physics, then no, pretty much all of his theorizing is BS and flies in the face of everything we know.

    Since that was always a common feature in the literature, it's also very possible if not likely that he/they "borrowed" that detail to create the illusion of credibility.

    See the response above.

    No, he predicted nothing. Nuclear physicists predicted that element 114 would be at the center of the island of stablility as early as 1969. Here's one paper about it:

    "Stability of superheavy nuclei and their possible occurrence in nature," SG Nilsson, SG Thompson, CF Tsang, Physics Letters B, 1969
    https://escholarship.org/dist/wJD5zTgC2vrImRR/dist/prd/content/qt8d1460fx/qt8d1460fx.pdf

    So that's actually a strike against his story. Pewter would be a metallic finish, and metals are conductors, so that shouldn't have worked.

    Again, this is a common feature of the reports. So he could've just lifted this detail from the pre-existing literature.

    Okay but without elaborating on that we can't assess it's credibility, so this doesn't count as a point.

    If it employs a gravitational field propulsion concept, they why would it generate a high voltage? This detail explains nothing. But lots of these craft have been seen to glow so he could've just made this up based on earlier reports.

    I've looked for real science in Lazar's story and I found nothing but unverifiable claims and bad physics. As far as I'm concerned The Lazar Timeline clinches it: Lazar is a liar and a fraud. Based entirely on the publicly available records and his own statements, he never actually went to MIT. It appears that he was nothing more than a low-grade tech working for Kirk Meyer at Los Alamos, and his entire UFO story is a complete fabrication.

    The Lazar Timeline
     
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  6. Double Nought Spy

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    Even the mythical S-4 is a howler. At the time of Lazar's fifteen minutes of fame, little was known publicly about Area 51. There were no satellite photos available outside highly secure programs, so he could make up whatever details suited his story. Well, not too long after he had been debunked, the area he claimed to be home to S-4 could be photographed from newly found vantage points, and some satellite images did become available. No examination of Papoose Lake or whatever showed any sign of any such thing as Lazar claimed. His acolytes simply edited the narrative to try to get around that obvious problem, and went on bleeving.

    Like Nivek, I am boggled by the fact that more than a handful of cretins believe anything Lazar says. He was exposed immediately as a fraud. By ufologists. All of his claims can be traced to ideas in ufo and informal scientific literature of the day. There was absolutely nothing original in it. Anyone who does not understand the periodic chart, or even know what it is, would be well advised to spend their time learning about it instead of making even more idiotic claims about 115.
     
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  7. Shadowprophet

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    I've considered every angle about Bob, I don't agree with some of his Physics. Let me present a conglomeration scenario, In real life, if someone is disgraced like loses their spot on a team, Human psychology and pride usually prevent people from saying, "Oh- I fucked up and lost my spot" No, From the disgraced person's position, Thy are going to persistently try to justify themselves.

    Oh well, Those guys are keeping secrets from the whole world, Those guys have a lot to hide, They will eventually rationalize, Their betrayal of their original team is justified by the numbers. This is actually a pretty psychological, defense. My assumption is Bob if there is any truth to this, Got their attention, They pulled him in showed him some things, But when you ask Bob, Hey Bob, How did this thing work? Bob always answers, Well, Nobody could really figure out how it worked, That's why we were trying to reverse engineer the thing. My assumption is, Bob somehow got the attention of the right people, and they brought him in, only to discover that bob was all show and no go. My proof is to this often overlooked area in his story, They allegedly brought him in to help figure things about these crafts out, And ole Bob couldn't figure out a damned thing. So he eventually not only lost his favor and his access, When Bob became upset he began to slight them, By telling people about the operation, By bringing people to see the craft in operation at night. Now, How is it that allegedly Bob was unable to figure anything about this craft out, And somehow, People were flying them on test runs at night?

    If you ask bob Bob will say, Well, I don't know what the other guys working there knew because we were all sectioned off and had to work by ourselves. First of all, That's so stupid, Like offensively stupid, You don't seek out a group of brilliant people and bring them together into one facility just to have them never meet each other and never work together. Ignorance. Upsettingly alarming stupidity. <--- Fictional. :/

    All his records were supposedly destroyed if this was done, This wasn't done to hide any secrets or coverup If they destroyed bob lazars educational record They did it because he is a flagrant traitor and deserved some sort of repercussion for his actions. However, You can't find information on Bob Lazar for the same reason Bob Lazar doesn't have a birth certificate, It's easy to get a social security number, Hey I'm alive, I live here, I'm legally in the United States, Give me a Number. The reason you can't find information on Bob Lazar is that He straight up didn't exist until shortly before his story broke. Not only is the story he tells fictional, But The man himself is also fictional. Easy peasy...
     
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  8. Dejan Corovic

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    Appearance of the surface of some material doesn't correlate with it's conductivity. For example, Mylar is metallic and shiny, but it is actually a very poor conductor. As well, lead's surface is dull because it is usually covered with oxide, but it is a metal, not a ceramic. In other words, just because surface is pewter in appearance it doesn't mean it is metal. It can be ceramic or any other material.
     
  9. Thomas R. Morrison

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    This is pure confirmation bias at work. You're bending over backwards to make excuses for a statement which raises red flags.

    Mylar is a clear polyester form of plastic. The metallic Mylar that you see with party balloons and soforth, has been coated with a very thin layer of aluminum. Which is conductive.

    Foil Vs. Mylar

    So yes, a metallic finish indicates conductivity. Nobody ever reports UFOs as looking oxidized so the lead example is irrelevant.

    And the current high-temp superconductors are ceramics, so some ceramics can be conductive too.
     
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  10. Double Nought Spy

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    People seem to have made heavy emotional investments in Lazar's story, and just can't abandon it. It seems like, to them, if he's full of shit then aliens are not real. That's absurd. One might just as well think Navy Seals are not real since some lying putzes have claimed to have been one. Nothing at all beyond Lazar's credibility (and that of his enablers) depends on his story being true. Why is that so hard for the bleevers to grasp? As Stan Friedman and many others have pointed out, it is of vital importance to weed out the liars and the flakes if the subject is to be taken seriously by the general public. Continuing to try to prop up a fraud like Lazar only makes us all look like morons in the eyes of people who don't follow the subject closely.
     
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  11. Shadowprophet

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    It's a real conundrum, personally, I've been on record about how much I'd love all the stories about greys to be true, However, The key thing to remember is, With things like the Drake equation and Kepler's law, Kepler's Laws New theories about how life arrived on earth and science being almost deadlocked on how Panspermia was the major contributor to life on earth, With "Directed panspermia" coming in a close second. Directed panspermia - Wikipedia <--- Directed panspermia hints at intelligent design, It's an interesting theory. Science is more certain than ever that we are not alone in the cosmos.

    I think the larger questions about extraterrestrial life in the bleeding edge of popular science is, Life is almost a certainty out there, But would we even recognize it as life? Would it be so different from us that communication would be impossible? This inevitably leads to the certainty that surely in this vast cosmos other intelligent life must be out there. The problem is, It's either so far away from us or so incompatible with us, That the whole "Space brothers coexistence thing" That people fantasize about may not ever be possible. Fish don't swim in fire and whales don't fly in the air. Aliens logically "probably don't live on earth". For as amazing as it would be to have evidence of alien life, I feel that we haven't found it because most of us are too busy looking for something exactly like us. Bipedal creatures with a proclivity and curiosity to explore the cosmos, Those concepts make perfect sense to us, But those may be Very uniquely human concepts/drives/traits. Aliens Could be so alien to us, That we may not even recognize them as living creatures.
     
  12. nivek

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    The Midnight Hour - Bob Lazar Bombshells

    Midnight tonight (9pm Pacific time)

     
  13. humanoidlord

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    ehhh, what?!
     
  14. Dean

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    "Bob [Bigelow] once created a company with Bob Lazar, the Zeta Reticuli Corporation, to exploit the wondrous supposed properties of Element 115. Lazar exhibited a substance that was light, foam-like, and almost weightless,
    hinting it would revolutionize energy and propulsion. The cooperation only lasted until the day when Bob [Bigelow] noticed a container of Lazar's secret sauce in a corner and recognized it as a commercial emulsive product!" -- Jacques Vallee, Forbidden Science Volume 4, page 352, entry for 1997.
     
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  15. nivek

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  16. nivek

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    Just recently was shared this link, looks like they are still adding information...

    BobLazarDebunked.com

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  17. Shadowprophet

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    Around 95 of those 118 elements can be a metal, Even the first element ever discovered Hydrogen.



    One may be inclined to ask why? or How is this even on Topic? Well, I figure since Ole Bob can't be bothered to stay on the topic of empirical science. Someone Has too.
     
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  18. CasualBystander

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    Eric Davis is full of sh*t.

    That doesn't means Lazar isn't.

    Building the World’s Smallest Particle Accelerator

    Particle accelerator on a chip.

    A chip is something smaller than your fingernail.

    If you want to accelerate hadrons in a continuous stream to 14 Tev you might need something larger.
     
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  19. CasualBystander

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    I'm pretty sure it wasn't "Sharks with frickin' Lazars".
     
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  20. nivek

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    Jeremy Corbell has blocked me on twitter, he seems not to like this thread promoted nor the information posted about Lazar that counters their campaign...Might I add, for those who don't know, Jeremy Corbell is making money from sponsoring Lazar, his lies, and shenanigans, currently Lazar is Corbell's poster boy...:Whistle:

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