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  1. pigfarmer

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    You sure about that Steve ?

    No, this isn't a new psyops program. It is a planned effort to end the truth embargo,” Bassett said.
     
  2. nivek

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    The UFO Community is so so enlightened.
    Warms your heart, doesn't it?
     
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  4. Skepticide123

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    Yikes! What an angry person. I think Coulthart does a great job and isn't misdirecting anyone. I think Elizondo is being honest too --after all the DoD has gone after him big time for coming out about the Pentagon program.
     
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  5. Rick Hunter

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    I'm willing to give the new DOD office a chance. It could be that they have finally come to understand that admitting the phenomenon is real and worthy of being investigated isn't going to cause civilization to collapse or give the commies a big leg up on us.
     
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  6. Skepticide123

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    Agreed. And since the phenomenon is ultimately in control of how much contact we have that office is not going to be able to control the contact frequency / intensity anyway.
     
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  7. pigfarmer

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    I have been listening to the latest Astonishing Legends podcast covering Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.

    Again, how do we get Serious People with degrees, titles, positions of great authority, special access programs, top secret technology .......

    ..... and then you have a TV show about the Fugal Ranch complete with the new owner blurred out and his voice changed but flashing his Big Watch, bad documentaries, Bob Lazar resurfacing. How are those things reconciled?

    Project Jennifer redux 2022.
     
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  8. Skepticide123

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    I've only glanced through the Skinwalkers book and seen a few interviews with Fugal, but I think I know what you are getting at. History repeats itself with some variations --way back in the "airship" days you had folks claiming credit for them or claiming to represent their inventors --one "Tillenghast" was one of the main grifters mentioned in the old articles, iirc. Kind of a Bob Lazar of the time. He was never able to provide any access to the "airships" and the inventors he supposedly represented never came forward, of course. These kind of scurrilous critters, attention seekers and folks of dubious mental stability seem to always lurk at the frontiers of science. UFOs are the most fertile ground for those folks.. Later when radium was being understood, folks were making suppositories with it and shoving up their posteriors, adding it to drinking water, etc. This kind of thing is evident again now with the UFO hysteria; a lot of documentaries and loud "experts" on blogs (many of whom have never seen a real UFO), the return of the rabid blinkered debunkers (they existed in the 19th century too), all of the egos jostling for position as the crap slowly hits the fan and each vies to become more bescumbered than the next... It has caused a lot of real UFO witnesses to retreat; Frank Manor syndrome...

    Of course there will be many more insufferable documentaries rehashing the same old stuff with heinous graphic reconstructions of events and lots of dramatic music... <sigh>..
     
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  9. pigfarmer

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    That sounds familiar - claimed a heavier than air ship flying out over Long Island I think pre-Wright Brothers. Something like that. I am reluctant to add the airship thing into the mix as I see it as just the way newspapers were written at the time. Right now I have a local Poughkeepsie Eagle from Dec 20 1864 hanging on the wall next to me and it just isn't laid out quite the way we would look at a newspaper now. I think the 'airship wave' is misinterpreted entertainment they weren't taking literally at the time. This is off the hip but I think the modern expectation of newspaper format came into being just prior to WW1. The entertainment was put in its own section.

    Chapter 11 of Skinwalkers describes a BASS AWWSAP interview with the Director of Special Projects for AFOSI with the intent of having them 'deconflict' sighting reports. To paraphrase they were asking 'which are ours so we don't have to bother?' The response was that there were a hell of a lot of unknowns but not to 'over interpret' the data on orbs. Specifically about orbs - there are apparently 'micro UAV projects that can be mistaken for non-human technology.' I bet that's what has been going on off San Clemente Island and around our destroyers recently. I have been saying all along I suspect it's some sort of reconnaissance device(s).

    Why tell us that and make it public? Who's interest does it serve? I suspect that 'the phenomenon' is real enough and the military does encounter it but also that we are - as has been the case the past several decades - in possession of really, really expensive game changing national investment type technology. Like maybe there is a reason we weren't so quick to develop hypersonic missiles. Dark Eagle seemed like it was deployed pretty easily, almost like a gesture. Only reason most of us know what those are or should care about them is because they are in the news cycle. Like all this stuff is now. Just to run on, I bet North Korean missiles blowing up on the pad isn't all engineering failure. I also guarantee - not speculate at but say with certainty - that anything they fire off we have the ability to recover and examine in detail. Covertly.
     
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  10. Skepticide123

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    Well, you might be right pigfarmer. Some of what has gone on might be exactly what you say, and that door has to be left firmly open. I'd just suggest that all of this has happened before and all of the objects seen recently in the vids that aren't deflating Batman balloons have been seen before in the '40s and '50s --"Go Fast" objects were seen much more dramatically, saucers as has been suggested with the "Gimbal" video, and Tic Tacs too, have been reported from the past, as have larger objects with satellite objects that remind one of the "drone" swarms. Transmedium objects like those five objects reported in '47 in Australia can't be Chinese drones, or any earthly technology I am familiar with. Of course UFO capabilities are obviously desired by the US military, so our technology that attempts to approach UFO technology could certainly be mistaken for the real thing. As for the "airships" --if you, like the RAND report, acknowledge that UFOs have been here for a long time --there would likely be evidence of them in every age, and it wasn't just the whopper stories in the newspapers that described them --they were all over Australia and and other places, and they really upset people.. Often they were lights flying in formation --and they were seen over the oceans by ships too. There were even articles from the time that had ruled out any dirigibles --as their movements were so precise and fast...
     
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    I think that the creators of the UFO phenomenon- whoever and whatever they are- are keen to make UFOs appear to look like what we expect them to look like. For most of our history, that has been gods, angels, demons, and other figures from religion and magic. In the nineteenth century Industrial Revolution you saw mechanical contraptions made of metal with exposed gearing in addition to airships. After the Kenneth Arnold story was publicized, the saucers began showing up even though Arnold stated that the craft he saw looked more like boomerangs or flying wings. Which, interestingly enough, flying wings were the leading edge of aviation technology at the time and perhaps the craft that Arnold saw were intended to look that way?
     
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  12. Skepticide123

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    That is certainly possible. If you look at the Sternenschiff of 1851--from before the airship age proper, it was described exactly as modern UFOs are --humming noise --big balloon-looking metallic object just like the two pics taken many years apart of apparently the same object (one from the Florence stadium in '50, and one taken much later by a police officer...
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    And the "Strange Crown" of 1903 (saucer).

    I think the fake "airship" stories and hoaxes of which there were many (just like today), eclipse the smaller lesser seen articles --where airships were described as hovering lights, and when farmers saw one in the daylight for a change --it was a big cigar UFO --just like many reported later, and had no gondola or place for people.. All of these are in the Old Encounters thread...
     
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  13. pigfarmer

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    Boy, talk about having one thing just stick ..........

    Here's the dilemma. We know that utterly unreal things can become totally real. I'm not talking Tulpas I'm talking about Slender Man and those two teenage girls that stabbed another young girl to death. Isolated incident - I think - but significant. As a goof people report scary clowns and suddenly they are seen everywhere and also significantly, you have people putting on deliberate hoaxes to hype it all up. Tillenghast - we're still talking about that m**********r a century + later, just like we will be with Bob Lazar :) A common theme in time travel stories is to travel back in the past and kill or prevent the death of some significant person. Too much wobble in the Continuum to allow that, but you think maybe if we could just go back and kneecap a couple of people ? it might make our lives less complicated right now.

    When to comes to UFOs and the paranormal in general if you could simply identify the nuts and fakers and the classified military activity from all the reports and begone with them you'd probably let most of the water out of the tub. Hence the source of skepticism and worse, dismissive debunking. I've always been willing to consider the 'real' once you get past all that and still think that whatever's leftover is the good stuff, the reason I remain interested after all these years. My own limited experiences have led me to where I am: skeptical but open.

    Reading Skinwalkers at the Pentagon tells me that the Unified Theory of Weird is gaining traction and all this is related to human consciousness. I tend to agree, cautiously. It would explain a lot, like how the phenomenon tends to tailor itself to the viewer. Good stuff in there and more interesting than arguing over decades old pictures. AWWSAP attempted to pull it all in, put it in one pile and let Jacques Vallee do his thing by organizing various databases. Excellent and I'll be very interested to see where all that goes.

    But a cautionary note here related to the UAP Task Force and the alphabet soup DoD entity created in response to all that. I usually have my nose in a Kindle and physical book at the same time. Habit. Right now it's UFOs Before Roswell: European Foo-Fighters 1940-1945 by Graeme Rendall and The Paperclip Conspiracy: The Hunt for the Nazi Scientists by Tom Bower. Coincidental that they have any relation but it was like finding two flavors that mix well. Paperclip begins by describing the complacency and insular nature of the British military's service branches in regard to scientific developments immediately prior to WW2. Nazi Germany took a very, very different approach and occasionally when the slightest sliver of comprehension made it's way through Britain's establishment the reaction was to basically go nuts and - literally - start worrying about 'death rays' and 'secret weapons against which there is no defense.' Ass clenching run around like a nut PANIC. Really. Their underdeveloped intelligence network misinterpreted a speech Hitler made in Danzig September 19 1939. Well guess what? Ooops, they got it wrong but it took a while to figure that all out.

    When we hear about tic-tacs and military involvement there is the cautionary tale I can't stop repeating. In the scenario I just described the literal panic that ensued by the suggestion of a next-gen weapon is worth noting. A valuable lesson, really. Use someone's own fears against them. Took a while for them to figure out they got the translation wrong. But, like Tillenghast the remnant of Nazi secret weapons is still stuck to our shoes. Global politics being what it is right now wouldn't leaking information in some way to your adversaries that suggests possession of some exotic next-gen technology be quite useful ? Even wrapped up in public statements and tv shows, books etc it might still serve to get the message out there and cast doubt. Make them wonder. I smell something like this coming out of the kitchen; when I say maskirovka this is what I am talking about. The thing is, the Unified Theory of Weird (my term) appeals to me quite a bit and I think there is real value in it, it's just that typically it gets mixed up with other things for other purposes.
     
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  14. pigfarmer

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    Killing time.

    If you were the Chinese, North Koreans, Russians how would you look at things? In the US we've been tearing ourselves apart these past several years. Internecine warfare, poor leadership. So you are a regional power and see an opportunity to act in your interest: invade Ukraine, plant oil rigs in Vietnamese waters, overwhelm Taiwan and shoot off enough missiles provoke the Japanese. Bad idea, that last one. Oh, everybody gets to fire off hypersonic missiles. Most of that is intended for media consumption; gamesmanship.

    But if you are one of these state actors and you step out of the media limelight for a moment consider your adversary. Reality is more than somewhat different. The US Navy. The US Air Force. The US Space Force for Christ's sake. Go really provoke those monsters and you have a problem on your hands. Proceed with caution. What if that monster dropped hints in many different forms that we did really have a 'death ray' or a 'weapon against which there is no defense'. You think maybe some of their top strategists have to at least pause and consider the possibility ? I think so. Ufology has received more than it's fair share of attention from intelligence agencies from all sides and the interest has always been military and technical, not ET.

    Regardless of the reality of these phenomena and sincerity of researchers (which I take mostly as genuine in regard to both) there is another game being played here. I think that's why extremely senior and credentialed people are talking about it openly - it's the answer as to why what could only be discussed in secure facilities a few years ago is now on tv.
     
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  16. Skepticide123

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    Great post, pigfarmer! UFOs certainly seem have a psychological / paranormal aspect to them. I don't think animals would be so frightened of them if they were just flying gizmos. They doubtless have been attributed to the supernatural or divine realms in the past. Their ability to anticipate our actions, seemingly communicate telepathically with some, appear to those they wish to show themselves to while concealing themselves from others nearby (the "active camouflage" desired by the Army), and the synchronicities and other long-term contact and effects from the objects make them much more than just mechanical objects. A lot of them (mine included), I think are the same object encountered by people at different points in time -they move through time and space differently than we do --as Elizondo has suggested, and the intelligence behind them lives in a meta-universe of information --like a godlike supernatural AI.
     
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