Loch Ness Monster might be real say Scientists

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  1. nivek

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    Otago University scientist Neil Gemmell from New Zealand takes environmental DNA samples from Loch Ness (Picture: SWNS)

    Loch Ness Monster might be real say Scientists after DNA testing of water samples

    Researchers made the claim after examining water samples from Loch Ness in Scotland.

    They travelled the length of the loch on research vessel Deepscan taking water samples from three different depths. The scientists collected DNA left by creatures in the loch from their skin, scales, feathers, fur and faeces.

    The DNA samples were then sent to labs in New Zealand, Australia, Denmark and France to be analyzed.

    Professor Neil Gemmell of the University of Otago, New Zealand, who led the study, said the results are “surprising”. He says his team tested the data against most of the main theories about the Loch Ness Monster. Professor Gemmell said that while the full details will be released at a later stage, one of the theories “might” be correct.

    One theory is that the monster is a long-necked plesiosaur that somehow survived the period when dinosaurs became extinct. Others believe the monster is a giant sturgeon or catfish.

    Professor Gemmell said he hoped to announce the full findings of the study in Scotland next month - but would not confirm which hypothesis might be right. He said: "Is there anything deeply mysterious? It depends what you believe. Is there anything startling? There are a few things that are a bit surprising.

    "What we'll have achieved is what we set out to do, which is document the biodiversity of Loch Ness in June 2018 in some level of detail. "We've tested each one of the main monster hypotheses and three of them we can probably say aren't right and one of them might be."

    Hundreds of thousands of visitors flock to Loch Ness every year to try and catch a glimpse of the mythical monster. Nessie is worth millions of pounds to the Scottish economy - and tourist bosses previously said they are "eagerly anticipating" the results.

    Announcing the study last year, Professor Gemmell said: "Scotland is dear to my heart because my mother and her family are Scottish, I’m delighted to be here to undertake our environmental DNA investigation of Loch Ness.

    "It’s a place of extraordinary natural beauty.

    "We’re delighted with the amount of interest the project has generated in the science and, monster or not, we are going to understand Loch Ness, and the life in it, in a new way."

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  2. Castle-Yankee54

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    I've thought it was either a sturgeon or a Greenland Shark that somehow adapted to live in freshwater.
     
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    I look forward to hearing the results.
     
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    Loch Ness monster might be giant eel, scientists say

    (CNN) — The most famous photo of the Loch Ness monster has long been discredited as a hoax, but scientists have come up with a new explanation for other sightings of the elusive beast -- it could be just a giant eel.
    A team of researchers used DNA samples from taken from the lake in Scotland where "Nessie" is believed to dwell and concluded that a more familiar creature was behind the legend.

    "There are large amounts of eel DNA in Loch Ness," Neil Gemmell, a geneticist from New Zealand's University of Otago said on Thursday.

    Scientists began the study of the lake's biodiversity in June 2018, taking 250 samples of water from various locations and depths to identify its inhabitants.

    The new data suggested some of the more outlandish theories about Nessie could be ruled out.

    "Is there a plesiosaur in Loch Ness? No. There is absolutely no evidence of any reptilian sequences in our samples," Gemmell said. "So I think we can be fairly sure that there is probably not a giant scaly reptile swimming around in Loch Ness."

    The geneticist also said the catfish theory, offered by Nessie hunter Steve Feltham in 2018, was unlikely to be the answer. "There may be giant catfish in Loch Ness but we didn't detect any of them," he said.

    The eel theory, however, "remains plausible," thanks to the significant amount of eel DNA.

    However, Gemmell added: "We don't know if the eel DNA we are detecting is gigantic, from a gigantic eel, or just many small eels. These normally grow to about four to six feet in length, and some people are saying they are observing organisms that are much, much larger than that."

    Nevertheless, there might still be hope for the Nessie believers. As Gemmell pointed out: "A lack of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence."

    "There may well be a monster in Loch Ness," he said. "We didn't find it."
     
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  6. pigfarmer

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    Curiouser and curiouser,

    If accurate (and I guess I assume it is) then an environmental DNA sample just handily swatted decades of speculation.
    Sounds a lot like what they are doing with those 'Bigfoot nests'

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    www.indiegogo.com/projects/sasquatch-nests-edna-study#/
     
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  7. nivek

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    That sort of looked like three or four fish swimming together close...

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    There was always far to many "ifs" for me to believe this...….but something large like an eel or a sturgeon sounds possible to me still.
     
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    Yeah I guess it does look like one creature, I had to watch it a few times, I thought it was just a line of multiple fish at first lol...

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    I didn't see it until I put it on full screen.
     
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    The take away for me was the environmental DNA. No plesiosaurs.

    I could believe a big eel or other nasty. I've seen small eels and even floating debris in the Hudson River that had me stopping and staring for a bit. Eels are - not to be too unmanly - icky. Eeeeeew.
     
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    Here's a doozy of a theory regarding the Loch Ness monster...

    Researcher Claims Loch Ness Monster Carries Newborns in a Pouch

    2019 was a mixed year for the Loch Ness monster. There were a record number of sightings (18) due to an increase in tourism and interest in Nessie and an intrepid multi-time spotter with time on his hands who monitors the 24/7 closed-circuit camera pointing to a popular location for sightings. That comes despite the most intensive study ever to search the waters of the loch for DNA of a creature that’s not in the current catalog of Earth species … a search that found nothing other than indications the monster is probably a giant eel. With no monster to fear, a team of Olympic-caliber rowers set a world record for the fastest ever for rowing the length of the loch — two hours, four minutes and 57.7 seconds to row the 21-mile (33 km) stretch from Fort Augustus to Dores. However, 2020 may have already topped 2019 for strange Nessie stories and revelations.

    “I can point out where, when, how she can be seen and how to attract her. I have studied her image and methods of reproduction and have worked out females have a bag for carrying the offspring on the abdomen.”

    That’s right … 2020 opens with the bizarre claim that Nessie has a kangaroo-like pouch for carrying its young. Bizarre claim #2 is that the man who made this revelation says he’s not just a Nessie expert – he’s a Nessie caller who knows how to make her appear. That man is Vladi S. PeCan, who calls himself a doctor of forensics. In what appears to be an exclusive interview with the Daily Star, PeCan claims he and he alone knows how to conduct a “professional investigation” using “video equipment for three locations, and bait to lure the monster.” Doing this will allow him and his team to capture a Loch Ness monster, extract DNA, determine “how many monsters live in the lake, their age, what they eat” and prove his most outrageous claim that Nessie has a “bag on the abdomen for offspring.”

    Really? There are no known accounts of anyone claiming Nessie has a pouch for pups – most likely because no one has ever claimed Nessie was a marsupial, the best-known pouched animals. They’re obviously warm-blooded, which either means Nessie is also or it’s a giant seahorse, a cold-blooded fish with a brood pouch where the female deposits her eggs to be fertilized, incubated and hatched. However, PeCan specifically refers to “her,” “she” and “females” in this interview, so that doesn’t sound what he’s claiming.

    A search on the name ‘Vladi S. PeCan’ and variations turns up no other information and, unlike the mythical monster, no photos – blurred or otherwise – of the mythical “doctor of forensics.” Paired with his outlandish claims of a nursing pouch and ability to locate Nessie, the needle on the skeptical meter for Vladi S. PeCan is firmly pegged in the zone of ‘Really?’.

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    OK. So call Nessie over and we'll look. I suspect either of them would 'fall ill' and the attempt wouldn't work.

    Big eels? Actually sounds plausible and there's some science to back it up.
    Loch Ness monster might just be a giant eel, say scientists

    I just asked Google about eels and pouches and came up with handbags.
     
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    Wow they really do make kangaroo skin and eel skin handbags and wallets...Gives me a weird vibe when I imagined having an eel skin wallet, I think I'll stick with leather...

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    I remember being a kid down my the Hudson river and a friend had landed a big nasty eel. It oozed some whitish sticky crapola and was absolutely hideous. Yuck.

    If Nessie is really one of those I am disappointing that this cool old mystery has an answer that nauseates me ......
     
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    First Nessie Sighting of 2020 Recorded

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    A diligent Loch Ness webcam watcher is being credited with having recorded the first official sighting of the site's legendary monster for 2020. Eoin O'Faodhagain is a frequent viewer of the live stream that watches over the iconic Scottish location and has actually spotted what some believe to be Nessie on six different occasions. This specific instance reportedly occurred on January 18th and was accepted by the Official Loch Ness Sightings Register shortly after he'd submitted some brief clips of the scene to the website.

    Detailing his latest potential Nessie observation, O'Faodhagain said that "there were no boats or birds to see at the time of the sighting. The object was at least four feet wide and maybe 10 feet long. It was a shame the cam quality was not great at the time of sighting." To that end, the proverbial monster hunter's footage of the webcam video is not particularly fantastic and really only noteworthy by virtue of being the first Nessie report for not only 2020, but also this new decade.

    That said, O'Faodhagain opined that the sighting upends the theory that the creature is migratory and argued that "a sighting on the 18th of January disproves this theory. Nessie, in my opinion, goes no further than the Loch itself." As for his fantastic luck when it comes to 'monster hunting,' he mused that "when you see it once again, you are shocked to say the least. I just wish I was standing actually at the Loch edge and not watching it on live cam." Be that as it may, it's probably a safe bet that this isn't the last time that O'Faodhagain lands another spot on the list of Nessie sightings.

     
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    Blobness Monster
     
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