Luis Elizondo Interview

Discussion in 'Alien-UFOs in the Media' started by Standingstones, Nov 23, 2021.

  1. Standingstones

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    I admit to being up in the air on Elizondo. I believed his credentials but I wondered about what he was saying to the public. I began to listen to a few interviews that he made. He seemed more believable than I previously thought. Here is part one of an interview he made.


     
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  2. Skepticide123

    Skepticide123 Asymmetric Contact From Hyperdimensional Aliens.

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    I don't have any real issues with Elizondo. I think he is telling the truth (as much as he can without being arrested). His ideas and revelations synch up pretty well with my beliefs about and experiences with UFOs.
     
  3. pigfarmer

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    The guy is interesting but I see him as a distraction - a carrot dangler. People who have real NDAs wouldn't be doing what he is. Why we need a distraction is a more interesting question. He reminds me - in a very, very general way - of this guy: Richard Marcinko - Wikipedia Someone with legitimate credentials who had the means, motive and opportunity to let his own interests get ahead of him. Not suggesting Lue is doing anything illegal but it looks to me like his real interest is LUE not UAP.

    People with real secrets don't talk about them at all. John Craven commented that he honestly couldn't remember what he should or shouldn't discuss so he kept his comments in very general terms with what had already been publicly disclosed. I'd have to go find the reference but I'm pretty sure John B Alexander said something similar, I think in regard to using (or not in his case) ayahuasca. Too much crap in the attic, have to be careful.
     
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  5. pigfarmer

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    Well, if he's got something to say I wish he'd do it and stop dicking around with it. If you want to 'have the conversation' then I'm all ears. Whistleblowers are supposed to supply their own whistles but with ufology all he had to do was show up and the traveling shitshow took it from there.
     
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  6. Dejan Corovic

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    I think LUE is an honest and straightforward guy. His main strength is that he's controllable and that's exactly why he's allowed to talk. He's just a step in long and slow disclosure process that apparently will take dozens of years.

    I personally think that we should focus on chasing UFOs with scientific and instrumental means. Number of cases is actually so large that chance of grabbing full spectrum scientific data about UFO is not negligible. There is this YT channel "Only Real UFOs" that's practically publishing at least x3 good UFO cases per week. Like 90% of them are in US.

    I wrote about it elsewhere. Aliens are abducting our females to use them as surrogate mothers for alien babies. That keeps both sides locked in secrecy, aliens don't want to loose access to surrogate mothers by revealing themselves and governments don't want to admit that they are powerless. The only solution is to mobilise our own scientists to reverse engineer UFO propulsion. Once we are on the same technological level as aliens, aliens will have to come forward and do that surrogate child birth business in some way that our governments have control over.

    Chasing UFOs with cabs full of scientific equipment wouldn't be that expensive, on federal level and payback would be outstanding. It had been done in various forms before. Back in 70's Ray Stanford did it successfully and some lesser known ufologists in UK quietly had some good results in repetitively meeting UFOs.
     
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  7. pigfarmer

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    I ask myself 'would you say that to the man's face ?' given the chance and the answer is 'yes I would'.
    As politely as possible. He's got a cool motorcycle with a side car so he at least has some taste I can appreciate. I realize it's easy to develop a catshit nasty online rancor that you would never - hopefully - inflict in person.

    I make zero assumptions about anything other than what the man has said. Not ET's motives or what the Evil Government is or has been doing - and yes I smell more Evil coming out of that as of late than I remember before - at least I what I think that smell is.

    In light of any NDAs or classified material he may be in possession of. you simply don't make a habit out of publicly dropping implication laden hints about real stuff, period. The fact that he's doing it makes me doubt what he's saying. As my wife would put it 'something's not right there' - admittedly her ten foot thick Queens accent tends to make it sound better when she uses it, but it applies here.

    Again, beware Romulans bearing gifts.
     
  8. wwkirk

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    One of the theories floating about is that he's supposed to be dropping bits of info here and there. On this theory, which has existed in various forms prior to Elizondo appearing on the scene,* is that within the secret branches of the government, there are rival factions. Accordingly, his backers explicitly want him to reveal certain things. Since the "good guy insiders" want him to leak certain stuff, he isn't really doing anything wrong, provided they retain sufficient influence. Not surprisingly, the opposing faction has done various things to impede him, such as having the DoD deny that he ever ran certain programs, and making his email history disappear.

    Of course, all this could just be UFO-Conspiracy-Fantasy.



    *Try researching the Aviary UFO Group. That's a real rabbit hole of obscurity and conjecture.
     
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  9. Dejan Corovic

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    I'm totally annoyed with whole this "there is no proof UFOs exist" thing.

    There are 200,000 witness testimonials in several UFO databases in US and France. These testimonials are all monotonously consistent. All UFO witnesses describe valid scientific events we can explain with modern scientific theories, like electricity and warp drives.

    We should really be discussing how develop our relationship with these aliens and do some business with them. It is obvious they need us, otherwise they won't be constantly coming back here. And we need them because they are millions of years ahead of us and we can only benefit if they stop hiding from us.
     
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    As one who's convinced of the reality of alien visitation, do you dismiss allegations of treaties with earth governments, such as the Eisenhower story? Also, what about contactees; are any of them legit, in your opinion?
     
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    Its pretty sure that some treaties already exist, simply because NORAD can track football size object out to geostationary orbit (35,000 miles out). These are NORAD's publicly stated capabilities. Simply put, that means that they know about every UFO coming in and going out, at least over North America, Europe, Australia and Japan.

    Well, any treaties made in secret would need to be nullified and replaced by new ones that went through due public process.

    Its impossible to tell in any way which contactees were true. I'm pretty sure Adamski wasn't genuine. I would say that Travis Walton was true. But these are just my personal impressions.

    The most important thing is to give our scientist funding to extract as much useful information as possible and make it publicly available so that our society can benefit from it. Even the most minimal technology transfer from them would enable us to exploit our Solar system to the fullest, even possibly make some planets, like Mars, habitable. So there is every reason to be friendly with aliens.

    At least in beginning we would need to grant aliens freedom of movement across whole planet, because we have no means to stop them anyway. That's until we catch up with them.

    But main thing is to set a fair exchange between them and us, so that whatever they want we get fair compensation and vice versa and they stop doing it in secret. That would set a stage for long term acceptance.

    Major benefit of presence of aliens would be preventing us starting nuclear war with each other. That in itself would be a positive payback.
     
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    Yeah, something along those general lines has occurred to me: we are hearing about all this now for a reason. Add Christopher Mellon to my list too. What would motivate those two to say what they have? I suspect that having them step forward unbidden to make extraordinary statements which are invariably mixed together with hogwash IS the reason. Some sort of deflection. From what? Traditionally it's been some military related secret of national interest. Hell, maybe it really is ET and this is a way to lead people away from whatever is actually happening in that regard. That it's a cookbook, or what have you.

    The only thing I can say is what I have said - something's just not right there. I've heard what John Greenewald had to say about the origins of AAWSAP and TTSA, BASS and all that. There's some personal interest and money mixed in all that and I smell more human motivation than anything else.

    For every tantalizing bit of footage that the Navy actually admitted represents an unknown we have Batman balloons and Eric Davis and Art's Parts and all that. To me is seems a deliberate way to mix in nonsense with maybe something real, which in turn suggests an intelligence operation, which suggests deflection.
     
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  13. Standingstones

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    I have seen some interviews with Navy sailors talking about the Tic Tac videos. The public has seen about a minutes worth of poor quality video. There are hours worth of very good film that we will never see. The military will go kicking and screaming to avoid telling us about what is going on out at sea. We have seen that the governments of the world and the so called extraterrestrials have no interest in telling us the truth of what is going on.
     
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  14. Dejan Corovic

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    Just thinking loudly. Maybe military is not the right institution for disclosure. Their job is hiding what they know about almost everything, so its difficult for them to suddenly open up. Maybe there should just be a permanent civilian body, as a part of NASA or something like that. Maybe they should have legal access to military UFO material? Something like that? What do you think?

    Like MUFON, but more scientific and sponsored by tax payers money. I know it sounds far fetched.
     
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    As I've been saying for years, if aliens are indeed visiting, they must not want to be completely outed. Otherwise they would do so themselves. If they wanted to reveal themselves to the world, no government could stop them.

    Conclusion: They don't want to be disclosed.
     
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    NASA has been lying to the public for decades. I don’t see any reason another civilian department should be believed.
     
  17. Skepticide123

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    The kind of contact we are experiencing appears to be a type of long-term surveillance. The intelligence behind the objects is careful not to reach a tipping point with contact --any other form of contact than what is occurring would destroy us (and we can do that just fine on our own, thank you). Can you think of any other form of contact that would not be destructive to humans who are armed to the teeth with world-ending weapons??... The type of contact we are experiencing I believe to be an intentionally asymmetric form of interaction consisting of displays and demonstrations. "Displays" --including the road encounter tactics, exposure to isolated groups and individuals, and interactions with military personnel and aircraft, are designed to keep a certain level of knowledge in the population that our watchers exist, are here, and represent a highly advanced non-human technology.
    The "demonstrations" are deliberate actions around our nuclear weapons, facilities, testing areas, and military maneuvers that show us (usually in non-violent ways) that we need to get it together or we are going to blow it...
     
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    I completely agree 100%

    I think that aliens are not much different to us and they simply have a practical economic interest.

    Its anybody's guess what that practical interest is, but abduction ratio between women and men is 5:1. And that comes up a lot in abduction stories that they use women as surrogate mothers for aliens' own children. These abducted ladies of ours are usually groomed from childhood till menopause, and when they get too old for childbirth abductions stop.

    It is easy to imagine that women in a very rich and advanced alien society would shun child-birth because it so painful. I bet our own ladies who love having babies, would readily pass child birth part onto surrogate mothers from poorer countries. Apparently there is such service available in US? Obviously I can't prove it, but this surrogate mother exploitation sounds as a very plausible explanation for economic motives of aliens and why they are so keen on keeping it secret.

    Given that advanced life forms, like humanoid ones, are extremely rare in the universe, aliens wouldn't have many places where they can perform this surrogate-mother business in secret. So aliens are prepared even to loose their own crews and craft, just to keep it secret. I just read another UFO crash case, where our military turned up on the site within minutes and hovered up all the evidence. And that super fast "hovering-up" of evidence is consistent from one UFO crash to the another.

    So, military wants technology, aliens want surrogate-mothers and there you have perfect conditions for a long lasting trade agreement. Of course, like in every good trade agreement between the elites people get screwed. All I am saying is, let people have their cut in the deal and benefit from the progress that small drips of alien technology will bring us.

    For example, there is no reason why this surrogate-mother business can't be done under supervision of our governments and these women who took part would be financially compensated. Government supervision would guarantee that our interests and health standards are protected and aliens would get much more open access to more women. That solution is much better than the current one in which these abducted women get practically hunted down like a game and traumatised for life.
     
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  19. pigfarmer

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    There is another way to look at this and it won't necessarily be popular but might explain a lot.

    We are looking at the thing the magician wants us to look at - they had to do zero heavy lifting to convince anyone of literally anything as it relates to UFOs. What we are NOT supposed to look at is a more interesting questions. Is all we've heard the result of a Harry Reid - Robert Bigelow indulgence of interest at the taxpayer's expense ? Could be. They would be obligated to show something for their effort and not mention the money spent on .... what exactly? Was an audit pending or something ? It all sounds like a new version of the look-forty-years-ahead project that I can't remember the name of right now - a version that made some $$ for Hal Puthoff and Eric Davis. Only thing we hear on that front is Eric Davis talking nonsense about Admiral Wilson. We're not talking about bismuth or parts or anything anymore.

    Deflection.

    What we've seen and heard from DoD is very reluctant compliance to an issue that reached the boiling point of popular opinion and yet DoD doesn't seem to want to say much about Lue & Co. So popular that we now have a UAP Task Force and the director of NASA talking about it.

    Anyone know what the impetus was for the NYT, Leslie Kean & (the other two writers I can't remember) to write that story when they did?
     
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  20. Dejan Corovic

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    One thing is obvious, despite all the ridicule, public interest into subject is strong enough that there is a need for financially and legally independent UFO research institution.

    Now, all the weakly funded and legally unprotected institutions so far, like MUFON etc. had failed. Because lack of funding MUFON turned itself into entertainment venue, which is opposite to it's original role.

    So something stronger is needed.
     
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