Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by nivek, Dec 18, 2018.
The Blue Chicken Cult!!
It has come to my attention that Ray Stanford has made public claims (including televised claims) to possess a sample that "consists of a quite mysterious nonnatural material with a crystalline structure unlike any other known on Earth. Also, it shows additional evidence of technological processing." Stanford has referred to this sample as the "Space Material." A publication that Stanford controlled asserted that the sample is "the product of an advanced technological civilization in space; and actually is a piece of a gigantic spacecraft, which disintegrated in space several years ago." In a separate thread, I document this public claim by Stanford, and I suggest that he should lend the sample to the To The Stars Academy for independent evaluation under Project ADAM.
I recently listened to a Radio Misterioso interview from Nov 5 2018 with Chris Lambright. I enjoyed X Descending but have never heard of this guy - sounds like he's been around a good long time and has had direct contact with many of the players in the ufo field.
Point is, he claims to have seen Ray's film and pictures and says they are stunningly clear and very hard to explain away.
Personally, I think if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish it's probably a fish. And at this point a slightly overripe one at that. He sounds like a kook. But I'm just mentioning the podcast - Lambright has seen the stuff and I'm just a putz sitting at my pc.
"I recently listened to a Radio Misterioso interview from Nov 5 2018 with Chris Lambright. I enjoyed X Descending but have never heard of this guy - sounds like he's been around a good long time and has had direct contact with many of the players in the ufo field. Point is, he claims to have seen Ray's film and pictures and says they are stunningly clear and very hard to explain away. Personally, I think if it looks like a fish, smells like a fish it's probably a fish. And at this point a slightly overripe one at that. He sounds like a kook. But I'm just mentioning the podcast - Lambright has seen the stuff and I'm just a putz sitting at my pc." -- pigfarmer
When you write "sounds like a kook," I think you are referring to Ray Stanford, not Chris Lambright, and if so you might want to clarify that.
I have not yet had the opportunity to listen to the Radio Misterioso podcast that you mention, so I am not sure which of "Ray's film and pictures" Lambright was referring to. But I am familiar with Lambright's book, X Descending. In fact, the first thread I started in the "Ray Stanford series" discusses the Lambright book at length, here. I uploaded there the key Stanford-related illustrations that appear in the Lambright book. You will note that I say "illustrations," because although roughly one-third of the Lambright book is about technological revelations purportedly contained in a super8 movie film shot by Ray Stanford in October 1985, not a single photographic image from the Stanford film appears in the Lambright book -- only pictures "drawn from memory," apparently by Lambright. I have to think that Lambright did not even possess digital copies of the super8 images -- why else would his nice color pictures be "drawn from memory"?
Based on the historical record, Stanford apparently has a knack for getting sincere people to go out on such limbs, based on variations in "trust me, details to follow," from Stanford or his proxies. I have already come across a number of broken limbs, with imprint marks in the ground underneath.
With respect to the particular super8 film discussed in the Lambright took, the story involves anomalous objects high overhead, shot through a 10x telephoto. Keep in mind that a super8mm frame negative (the image surface) is about 5.8 mm by 4.0 mm (about 0.16 inch by 0.23 inch). The size of the UFO images on the film in this case are not known to me, but it is an important question. The book also refers to computer enhancements of the images by Stanford, with no specifics given; it is not clear how much (if at all) the Lambright illustrations "drawn from memory" owe to the unknown enhancements.
Yes, I am referring to Ray. He does sound like a kook in the interviews I've heard and is difficult to take seriously - but the man did manage to accomplish more than most as an amateur paleontologist. When it comes to fossils his powers of observation are acute and he may be many things but stupid isn't on the list. A mixed bag.
As for Lambright and the film I'd have to see it myself to pass judgement, and even at that I'm not really qualified to do so. Ray has managed to sideline himself through his own actions and if releasing what he has isn't important to him it sure as hell isn't to me. Ray is apparently a friend of Lambright so maybe the motivation for speaking well about the film is simply motivated from friendship. Listening to Lambright and Bishop chew the fat over Ray and the Bennewitz case passed the time pleasantly enough while I was working on something
then why don't he just reveal them away!
Even if they are as stunning as he claims it's still a big 'so what?'. If a real aerospace engineer like Leik Myrabo was inspired by seeing what Ray has then that's fantastic, but pictures and videos will just be a source of more debate.
Lightcraft - Wikipedia
Does anybody know which element was this, the one split into thirds?
Nope - Vallee never specified. He only said that it was an element that has five stable isotopes. If that statement was accurate then it's one of those nine elements.
It's gotten more confusing now though, because for some reason Keith Basterfield thinks that Vallee was talking about the Ubatuba samples, which were ordinary magnesium, which only has three stable isotopes (and they aren't distributed in thirds in the Ubatuba samples).
I'll attach his document here, but I think Keith's probably mixing up different samples, in this case. Sure would be nice to have something more than a partial verbal description from a single source - hopefully Jacques Vallee will add more clarity eventually.
I owe to explain myself. If we are talking about the Dr. Alzofon's approach, than properties of isotopes become critical for reducing gravity. If, for example, an isotope's spin is zero it's gravitational mass cannot be reduced, and so on. There are few other properties which determine how applicable material is to adiabatic reduction of gravity. One of the best materials is actually Aluminum. But other materials like Sodium for example are very good, but sodium is soft, chemically very reactive and can't stand mechanical stress, so useless for an areal vehicle.
In short, I would like to check that Vallee's isotope against properties of an element that would be conductive to reducing gravity in Dr Alzofon's theory.
Based on sparse data that is available, I would say that they have exactly 1/3 ratios because they use these isotopes as a kind of a gearbox to achieve a different propulsion intensities, maybe like hovering, cruising or full throttle. Each isotope would respond to a different microwave frequency and it would create different adiabatic gravitational reduction, if you want. Whole thing works exactly like an MRI scanner .
I still don't think TTSA is a hoax or frauds but seems they have been turning out to be something other than presented in the beginning, whether intentionally or inadvertently I cannot say...Seems there also might still be a sardine in there somewhere, can't smell it all the time but once in a while I get a whiff lol...
So what are they? A business?
Some sort of conglomeration and it appears they have ties with Project Serpo...
Umm. But what if Project Serpo is not real?
I'm not too familiar with that so I really can't say, I've heard the name but I really haven't researched project serpo personally...Could you give me a concise overview of what this is or claimed to be?...
Wikipedia offers a good summary:
Project Serpo is an alleged top-secret exchange program between the United States government and an alien planet called Serpo in the Zeta Reticuli star system. Details of the alleged exchange program have appeared in several UFO conspiracy stories, including one incident in 1983—in which a man identifying himself as United States Air Force Sergeant Richard C. Doty contacted investigative journalist Linda Moulton Howe claiming to be able to supply her Air Force records of the exchange for her HBO documentary The ET Factor, only to pull out without providing any evidence to substantiate his story—and one incident in 2005 when a series of emails were sent to a UFO discussion group ran by Victor Martinez claiming that the project was real. Some variations on the conspiracy story state that the name Serpo is the nickname of the extrasolar planet. Other versions state that it is a mispronunciation of either Serponia or Seinu by authorities involved in the project.
The first mention of a 'Project Serpo' was in a UFO email list maintained by enthusiast Victor Martinez. Various versions of the conspiracy theory circulated and were later detailed on a website. According to the most common version of the story, an alien survived a crash near Roswell in the later 1940s (see Roswell UFO incident). This alien was detained but treated well by American military forces, contacted its home planet and eventually repatriated. The story continues by claiming that this led to the establishment of some sort of relationship between the American government and the people of its home world, said to be a planet of the binary star system Zeta Reticuli.
TTSA has associated themselves with Project Serpo? Really?
It's amazing, and in a way, humorous, how trends, theories, conspiracies, and personalities in ufology, long thought to be forgotten and discredited, manage to revive themselves, over and over again!
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