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Discussion in 'Unexplained Mysteries' started by 1963, May 22, 2018.

  1. 1963

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    ................................................... THE MYSTERY MACHINE.....................................................................

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    Hi guys, I just thought that it was time to start this thread here at Alien Expanse, .. well why not, it's one that I really enjoy and I've started it on most of the other sites that I've ever been on over the years. :Tongue:
    Slightly different to the thread in other guises in that this time I am going to present my latest acquisition ..[above]... It is actually a 'Time And Relative Dimension In Space' [aka. Tardis. borrowed from the time-lords over there on Gallifrey] that is unfortunately stuck in the form of Scooby Doo's wheels.
    .... Well never mind all those irrelevant details as to who, why, when etc, let me tell you the premise of this [hopefully interesting] thread , and that is that as just like good-old Scoob and the gang, we here on the forum are all interested in mysteries ... [real ones that is.... murders, disappearances, UFOs, Sasquatch, catch-the-crop-circle-culprits, Nessie, or nip down to 13 Miller's Court on Friday 9 November 1888 to find out just who Jack the ripper was, or go the whole hog if your a religious person and check on your personal prophet ! ... etc. ] and so I thought that I would make each and every one of you a " once in a lifetime can't be beat offer " .... and that is that for one measly dollar ($1.00) [or the equivalent in your own country's currency] you could rent this deceptively brilliant [go-anywhere-anytime machine] that is jam-packed with the state of the art technology that can not only safely transport you and a few of your friends to any place at point in time , but also has the capability of ensuring your total anonymity whilst you proceed to film and document the previously unfathomable event for posterity! a0001

    .... As usual, I will kick off proceedings by spending my £1. on a trip to the slopes of Kholat Syakhl over in the Urals at the very start of February 1959, and see just what crazy thing could have caused such a tragic death to those nine young hikers .... [​IMG]
    Mountain of the Dead: The Dyatlov Pass Incident | Mysterious Universe

    ..... What do you guys think really happened? ... and are you ready to spend a quid/dollar/euro or whatever to scratch that itching-brain-puzzler that's been bugging you for eons? ... if so, then book your destination and time frame by telling us what it is, and thankyou for leaving a link to the event in case it's new to the rest of us please. :Thumbsup:


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  2. Sheltie

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    The last time I read about the Dyatlov Pass Incident was several years ago. As I recall, I was in the "secret government experiment" camp but I've certainly been known to change my opinion on these things after further review. I'll read through the page when I get a chance. :Thumbsup:
     
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  3. Sheltie

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    My mind keeps going back to a documentary I saw last week on the American Heroes Channel about the Chernobyl accident. The mind-boggling level of stupidity displayed by highly educated nuclear engineers (and in all fairness there have been plenty of monstrous boners pulled by US engineers as well) in their attempt to run a simulation test is difficult to believe.

    I'm still leaning towards government error in Dyatlov but I want to revisit the tragedy with fresh eyes.
     
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  4. nivek

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    I've begun reading about the Dyatlov Pass Incident this morning, I've heard of it but never read into it...I need a little time to 'catch up' before I can comment...q37
     
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  5. 1963

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    Ok Nivek, i'm sure that you'll find it as fascinating as I have done all these years mate. I've known about and cogitated the various possibilities for over ten years now, and am still not too convinced about my own conclusions... I have tentatively narrowed it down to just the two most likely scenarios [imho] ... but am always interested to hear other people's considerations. And so i'll await comments and theories from others here before I throw my own speculations in to the ring. :Thumbsup:

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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    Also as pertaining to the Dyatlov Pass Incident, ... I came across this other real life mystery today that some of you might already have been aware of... it's titled [erroneously in my opinion] as "The American Dyatlov Pass Incident"
    Five Friends Died Completely Bizarre Deaths, And A Phantom "Whistling Woman" Might Be To Blame


    ... I say that I believe that in my view the headline grabbing title of The American Dyatlov Pass is erroneous, because apart from the freezing to death, and of course the utter tragedy of innocents bits of the mystery, there are little to no similarities between the two incidents at all. ... But an utter fascinating and compelling mystery in it's own right, that demands a heck of a lot more thorough investigation nevertheless!

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  7. Sheltie

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    I read a few short accounts of the incident today and I'm still convinced it was a secret Soviet experiment gone awry.

    There are two things that jump out at me.

    First and foremost, the fact that all of the clothing was found to be radioactive. Even though it's a stretch, one could argue that the blunt force trauma was perhaps caused by an avalanche. Also, maybe the victims did strip off their clothing due to the effects of hypothermia. But what could cause their clothing to become radioactive?

    Also, the only survivor of the ski party, who left prematurely due to illness, Yury Yudin,claimed upon inspection that the site looked staged. A number of small details were suspicious. He claimed, for instance, that there was a military style clock in the tent which he believed did not belong to any of the members.

    As for the woman with the missing tongue, I doubt the theories that claim it was ripped out of her mouth by angry vengeful Mansi tribesmen. There are also theories that it was ripped out during a Yeti attack. I myself have no explanation to offer, however.

    There were reports of strange lights in the sky prior to the incident. I believe these were most likely Soviet aircraft.
     
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  8. 1963

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    Hi Sheltie, I see that we are not so far away from each other on this one matey. :Thumbsup: .. I first came across the story about ten or so years ago,...not very long relatively I know but have been spellbound by it ever since, which makes it seem like forever! and I would like to post my current position on this brilliant mystery that has had me scratching my head for at least a decade...
    After all of the hype that got me stuck into this case in the first place is near enough sided away as being capable to be explained mundanely, i.e the missing tongue and serious 'inexplicable-injuries' , the UFO, the radiation aspect etc. ... I still find at least one aspect of this great mystery totally enthralling, and that is what I believe to be the burning question about this tragic case...Why would they leave the tent?? And setting aside the popular speculations that the group were physically ousted from the relative safety of their tent... I would argue that the only thing that could make them leave would have to be an immediate thread inside the tent. if something was outside, such as an animal or a UFO, then there would be no reason to cut the tent open. There were no signs of an avalanche, however, they could have escaped believing an avalanche was tumbling towards them. The problem with that theory is that the footprints showed them walking in a calm and orderly manner down the slope as opposed to running away in panic. So something caused them to panic inside the tent but once outside they calmed down and made a conscious decision to walk down the slope. And in my humble opinion, the identity of the 'thing' that compelled this group of intelligent students to virtually commit suicide by destroying the integrity of their tent [aka, their lifeboat on the sea of frozen death] and marching relatively calmly to a certain agonizing death was something as simple as "Hysteria"! .. brought on by the consumption of narcotic toxins of some description. Throughout history the human race , especially true of the younger adult variety , have actively sought out and experimented in such hedonistic pursuits. So imho nothing too far fetched to contemplate in this theory. Something along the lines of LSD, which was ,I believe being invented by Swiss chemist Albert Hofmann in the late 30's and taken on by the CIA [MK Ultra] and other governmental bodies around the globe as well as being by the late 1950's the preferred 'mind enhancing tonic' by the super-cool beatniks and collegiate fraternity that sought out any mundanity-busting aids. Or then again the cause of this 'Hysteria' that I propose might just as easily be something more local than an illicit drug such as LSD being brought to the party by one or more of the hikers, indeed the region is known for it's own powerful hallucinogenic stimulant, and that is the renown very toxic fungus/shroom 'Fly Agaric', which the Mansi people in the area have gathered and cultivated throughout history to use for the purpose of getting high during their ceremonies, it should be taken into consideration that the fungus that I speak of is the very same product that the local Masnsi shaman often hang on lower branches of the pine's they were growing under to dry out before taking them back to the village. And the fact that their campsite and tent was pitched just a matter of yards from a pine forest seems to add a modicum of corroborative coincidence to this theory for me at least.
    But of course that is just all conjecture coming from a guy that simply cannot know the truth of what happened that fateful night. But after a great deal of contemplation [wracking my tiny brain lol] the possibilities of this conundrum-ic case, first leaning one way and then switching direction etc over and over again, this speculative theory always seems to come around as the most likely to me.
    And as for the second theory , well that is just as open to derision as the first, in relation to it's lack of tangible corroboration and is the identical causation of the flight from tent to the 'bad trip' hypothesis that I just mooted, .. yes 'Hysteria' again [or perhaps trepidation would be a better word]. This time facilitated by the [or at least someone within] Soviet Military. The source of this train of thought is that several facts of the case would seem to support the theory. For one , there are the numerous contemporary witness statements that clearly tell of an UFO being witnessed over the general Dyatlov-party area in the correct time frame. Secondly, the military's official denials of their presence in the region at any time , when it has been shown that the area had been and was a regular site for purposes of all kinds of military testing of new tech. [and the search party's recalling of seeing metallic debris over the area. And would explain a lot of the apparent governmental obfuscation and deliberate withholding of data, and summoning of the several different investigators to Moscow for instructions. My [maybe wild] estimation of what might have happened if this be the right track is that the Dyatlov party had unwittingly.. by means of deviating from their intended planned route.. stumbled upon a military testing of some new high tech vehicle, maybe as simple as a new helicopter or something? [ergo the UFO as seen from the many miles away that was the various vantage points of the eyewitnesses.].. and then [yes, still pure speculation.] you could make up your own scenario of what might have happened when a group of college hikers that weren't supposed to be there , gave the surprized soviet military unit a bit of a sudden jolt by being where there was supposed to be no-one! ... I'm thinking that a spot of heavy-handed scare tactics that got out of hand and ended in real tragedy might not be out of the question. And to just add a little more weight to the latter suggestion I would just supply this quote [for what it's worth] from an article in the Telegraph many years later in the 1990s in which Yuri Yudin [the only surviving member of the expedition, whom suffered from several health ailments (including rheumatism and a congenital heart defect) and was forced to turn back on 28th Jan due to knee and joint pain that made him unable to continue the hike.] ......

    ..I reiterate "for what it's worth" because of course it was a newspaper article and presumably he was 'paid to supply something that was worth the fee?'

    ... I'll stretch my credibility no further and say no more about those two bits of speculation for now [probably said too much already. lol] And just say that imho at this point in time, that these are my best guesses as to what occurred on that fateful time, and that through the years of contemplation of this conundrum I have gone through the whole gamut of 'possibilities' that have been seriously touted.... UFO, Yeti, Mansi territorial murders, Semyon Alexandrovich Zolotaryov's spy connection, the Hikers being mistaken for escaped prisoners from a Gulag prison, the evil Mansi hunters theory, the popular spooked by avalanche suggestion, Infrasound, leaky stove, secret rocket launch, and a few that I can't remember right now.... and I can't promise that I won't go back to any of those [well some of them anyway] in the future, or that I may not even formulate another notion that seems to out-trump these two at any time,... but I have to say that for now at least these two seem the most feasible explanations for me. And please by all means, I always welcome alternative opinions. :)
    This case has featured heavily on every paranormal site and in magazines for long since before I heard of it ten years ago, and there has been an awful lot of articles of various quality about it, [some downright weird ones] and I suspect that I have only seen a fraction of them, but if you are really interested in researching this fascinating case and are not already familiar with the facts of the occurrence [rather than wading through a lot of the more-sensational articles] then I recommend the following sites, where among many different references, theories and speculation [some quite sober, and some not so much?] you will find all of the available data on the case in one form or another for you to formulate your own conclusions...

    Updates
    Dyatlov Pass
    Dyatlov Pass Forum


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  9. Kchoo

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    I think I need some Scooby Snacks...
     
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  10. 1963

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    ... There you go matey, .. now what about your opinion of the Dyatlov Incident, or tell us about any other real life mystery that you would like to solve using the Mystery Machine? ;)

    Cheers Kchoo.
     
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  11. Sheltie

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    I like your suggestion that the victims may have been tripping on powerful locally grown shrooms. :wacko8: At a time when society as a whole was much less familiar with hallucinogenic drugs and their effects, it would explain much of the craziness such as ripping open the tent from the inside and the stripping off of clothes. It reminds me of the famous ergot poisoning incident in Pont Saint Esprit, France in 1951 in which people went temporarily insane after eating the local bread.

    The Idyllic French Village That Went Insane – Tootlafrance

    It seems what we may have with the Dyatlov Pass Incident is a perfect storm in which several very unusual (to say the least) factors came together to create a strange and bizarre tragedy.
     
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  12. Sheltie

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    Do you ever see Hiflier on any of the other sites you visit, 1963? He always reminded me of you because he would do extensive research and present really interesting arguments in his threads. The only problem I had with Hiflier was that he flat out did not believe aliens were visiting the earth. He came right out and said that, while he believed intelligent life existed throughout the galaxy, it was too far away from us and did not visit our planet. I always thought this was strangely closed-minded of him to feel this way.
     
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  13. Kchoo

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    Well, I have camped on ice... I can only imagine a bear or pack of wolves... or a crazed wild man... not much else... Aliens would just have no reason to molest a group of skiers... even IF they bothered to be in the area..
     
  14. coubob

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    It`s been years since i seen about it on some unsolved mysteries episode. I always thought it was the Yeti. And still do after lightly browsing that link 1963 posted.
     
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  15. 1963

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    Hi Sheltie, sorry for the delay mate... it was school holidays, so of course granddad has to take the little brats [angels] away as payment for their being perfect. :)

    ...And as to Hiflier, yes I agree that he is always a great addition to the forums, I've shared at least three different sites with him and have always found his posts worthy of note, but now you come to mention it, I can't remember the last time I heard from him, so I just took a quick look in a couple of the usual places and see nothing newer than about six months ago? ... So I guess he is either taking a bit of a sabbatical from posting , .. could be recuperating from illness like our old friend SD , or may even be around under a different name.
    Well whatever it might be... i'm sure that barring any horribleness that we don't even care to contemplate he will be back at some point posting his good stuff. And yes, i'm also aware that he isn't as convinced about the ETH as you or I , ... but then we're all different aren't we, [and thank heavens for that] .. but he does at least have an open mind and I haven't ever noticed him being unreasonably skittish toward even the most radically minded proponents. .. So all in all Hiflier is definitely going to be a loss to the genre if he does not return. [but I think he'll be back... this thing has an addictive quality about it. lol] :tso:

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  16. 1963

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    Hi Kchoo hope you are well my friend, :Thumbsup: ... and yes I checked that possibility when I first heard of the mystery [as will the official investigators, I imagine] and indeed the forests around the Urals are populated wit many animals such as elk, brown bear, fox, wolf, wolverine, lynx, squirrel, and sable,
    .... But it quickly dawned on me [as I suspect it did to the local investigators] that such an occurrence would have been easy to detect if it had been that way. In as much as the only foot prints found were those of the victims, and none of any animals or humans for that matter mate. ... And so it seems plain to me that 'the scary wild animal theory' is a none starter in this case.

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  17. 1963

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    Hi Coubob, thanks for the reply mate, and I respect all opinions and yes that is one of the more sensational ideas that someone proposed at the time... but imho, it was probably proposed by someone who had an eye on the 'newspaper/magazine headlines' angle to the mystery. Just my opinion of course, but for me to ever go with the 'Yeti explanation'... I will first have to see some healthy, tangible evidence for the existence of such a mythical creature in the first place, which so far , I have not.
    ...And besides, even if the Yeti [in any of it's guises] does exist... then surely just as the distinct lack of physical traces...ie footprints ... seems to rule out the other 'wild animal theory' out completely, then it stands to reason that it also precludes the Yeti as being the culprit, doesn't it?

    .... Btw Coubob, I believe that this is the picture that started the 'Yeti' theory off in the first place .. it's from an old Russian documentary about the event in which it was presented as such....
    Frame №17 from Thibeaux Brignolle camera

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    ...Does that look anything like a Yeti to you?? .... not me. ;)


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  18. Sheltie

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    I wasn't even aware that SD was recuperating from an illness. I wondered why he had been noticeably absent. I know in his past he was really into bodybuilding so it's kind of hard to picture him being sick. o_O Glad to hear you're doing well. One must keep his promises to the grandchildren.
     
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  19. Kchoo

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    Yes the lack of animal prints does make one wonder... And I guess nobody got chewed up... but what could they have been running from? Why? Nobody bothered to write what was happening or try to leave a clue of some sort??? So it either happened quick, or, their minds were so messed up they could not think properly... maybe they ingested something they shouldn't have...
    Or maybe they were so busy trying not to be hunted down that they didn't have time...
     
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  20. Sheltie

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    Interesting observation, Kchoo. Reminds me of the story of The Lost Colony which I learned about as a child in history class.

    Roanoke Colony - Wikipedia

    The Roanoke Island Colony in North Carolina disappeared mysteriously in 1585 leaving no note behind. The only clue found at the scene was the word "Croatan" carved in a plank. I suppose when you're in panic mode worrying about your survival you're less inclined to think about leaving notes for posterity.
     
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