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Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
The biggest problem for me is that the general public are so apathetic about the whole thing.We in the UK are being played too.There is no real opposition to keep the government honest as like in the US, our two main parties are in reality,different sides of the same coin.When I try to broach the subject with some people I am either labelled a conspiracy nut or all they want to talk about is the latest reality tv show,or other inane celebrity based nonsense.I really believe we are being deliberately dumbed down to keep us in check.
 
The biggest problem for me is that the general public are so apathetic about the whole thing.We in the UK are being played too.There is no real opposition to keep the government honest as like in the US, our two main parties are in reality,different sides of the same coin.When I try to broach the subject with some people I am either labelled a conspiracy nut or all they want to talk about is the latest reality tv show,or other inane celebrity based nonsense.I really believe we are being deliberately dumbed down to keep us in check.
People in both of our countries are under the false impression that the news media still exists to report and inform the public on the important issues and stories, like they did back in the 60s and 70s. So they go to the BBC and the New York Times, and think they're being informed. But that's not how it works anymore: the news organizations/corporations are now the propaganda arm of the Deep State, akin to Pravda: their new role is to manufacture public consensus for endless mass murder operations abroad, and to bury the real stories that matter, like the Orwellian expansion of the surveillance state, and the complete coup of our governmental bodies by the billionaire/corporate class.

The key problem is the runaway economic inequality and the total coup of our governments by the very small but outlandishly wealthy plutocrat class. The feudal distribution of wealth has given the billionaires too much power: they now control everything from policy to the news media. And because most people are complacent and guileless, they don't even realize how bad it's become. They're not going to care until the entire economic system implodes and leaves their kids starving at the dinner table, and at that point it will be too late, and we'll have a choice to either rise up French Revolution style, or to accept our role as serfs in the neofeudal economic structure as global civilization slips back into the Dark Ages.

Either way, we're now poised for the worst geopolitical crisis since WWII, and my hope for a peaceful political revolution to solve the problem has all but vanished.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
People in both of our countries are under the false impression that the news media still exists to report and inform the public on the important issues and stories, like they did back in the 60s and 70s. So they go to the BBC and the New York Times, and think they're being informed. But that's not how it works anymore: the news organizations/corporations are now the propaganda arm of the Deep State, akin to Pravda: their new role is to manufacture public consensus for endless mass murder operations abroad, and to bury the real stories that matter, like the Orwellian expansion of the surveillance state, and the complete coup of our governmental bodies by the billionaire/corporate class.

The key problem is the runaway economic inequality and the total coup of our governments by the very small but outlandishly wealthy plutocrat class. The feudal distribution of wealth has given the billionaires too much power: they now control everything from policy to the news media. And because most people are complacent and guileless, they don't even realize how bad it's become. They're not going to care until the entire economic system implodes and leaves their kids starving at the dinner table, and at that point it will be too late, and we'll have a choice to either rise up French Revolution style, or to accept our role as serfs in the neofeudal economic structure as global civilization slips back into the Dark Ages.

Either way, we're now poised for the worst geopolitical crisis since WWII, and my hope for a peaceful political revolution to solve the problem has all but vanished.
Dark ages?

First let me say that I like almost everything you said, but it is hard to imagine dark ages serving the feudal distribution of wealth.

I think they are much more sophisticated than you give credit.

They know that the system needs to move forward in a way that works for them to maximize gains and they must do it in a way that has been proven to work, which is to make people think they have a real future.

If they destroy that illusion completely, they know they will have a revolution on their hands, and that will not serve their purpose well at all... so, when things are looking dark, I know they will dangle a new carrot... that is the ‘new order’.

Otherwise each rich leader is sitting on a pile of useless cash, staring at the other one, and shrugging... because none of them will have any value anymore.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
This comment is for all three of the last posts, I did not want to quote all three lol...

I think the main issue for this movement is our population growth, how out of control it is and no end in sight of that...If restrictions were suggested to control population we would have uprisings throughout the world, especially in the west...We will be reaching, in my opinion, a point where the world cannot sustain our growth without some sort of checks and balances...The wealthy, those in power see this more clearer than the average Joe...

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Ron67

Ignorance isn’t bliss!
This comment is for all three of the last posts, I did not want to quote all three lol...

I think the main issue for this movement is our population growth, how out of control it is and no end in sight of that...If restrictions were suggested to control population we would have uprisings throughout the world, especially in the west...We will be reaching, in my opinion, a point where the world cannot sustain our growth without some sort of checks and balances...The wealthy, those in power see this more clearer than the average Joe...

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I know many will disagree with me but I believe having children should be a privilege not a right,certainly in the West.People who cannot look after themselves are having children as a means to get benefits,housing,unemployment benefits,child allowance etc.If you cannot afford to bring up children without outside financial assistance,then you shouldn't be having them.I see the same feckless families who have never worked a day in their lives generation after generation having more kids the cycle repeating over and over.As you say it's unsustainable.
 
Dark ages?

First let me say that I like almost everything you said, but it is hard to imagine dark ages serving the feudal distribution of wealth.

I think they are much more sophisticated than you give credit.

They know that the system needs to move forward in a way that works for them to maximize gains and they must do it in a way that has been proven to work, which is to make people think they have a real future.

If they destroy that illusion completely, they know they will have a revolution on their hands, and that will not serve their purpose well at all... so, when things are looking dark, I know they will dangle a new carrot... that is the ‘new order’.

Otherwise each rich leader is sitting on a pile of useless cash, staring at the other one, and shrugging... because none of them will have any value anymore.
I like your sense of optimism, I just don't see any evidence to support it: things have been getting incrementally darker in the US and UK for decades, and there are no carrots in sight. In fact Clinton lost the election because the donor class refuses to support even the most basic carrots like free higher education and single-payer healthcare. Instead, they're slowly taking things away, because greed is an insatiable psychopathology.

The billionaire class wants to be the Lord class in a new technological feudal economy, where we're all basically wage slaves and cannon fodder. We're already there, more or less, and that program is accelerating. It's not going to suddenly let up, without massive national uprisings, which won't happen because people believe their tele when it tells them they still have a representational government, even though it's been scientifically proven that they don't.

By 2016 the levels of economic inequality in the US passed the Gilded Age of the Robber Barons, and now it's heading back to levels unseen since the Dark Ages. That's what they want, and they'll get it if we don't stop them.

Population is a growing problem - we're well into the era of automation, so jobs are decreasing as population is increasing. It's simply supply and demand, and the math is against us - every increase in population means decreasing wages and more unemployment. But this would be happening even without increases in population because automation is deleting jobs at a blinding rate.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
trump paid himself his way into power
did everyone forget what trump was famous for before he became a candidate?
thats right money

Its all about the money and power in the government, and that is the problem, Trump can be polarizing but he is no exception...

Have you been to Ouro Preto before?...

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nivek

As Above So Below
 

nivek

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Toroid

Founding Member
Student discovers bacteria that can eat plastic.
Student Discovers Plastic-Eating Bacteria Which Could Solve Global Pollution Crisis - Great Lakes Ledger
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nivek

As Above So Below
Iranian commander accuses Israel of stealing Iran's CLOUDS and causing a drought

  • Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali is head of Civil Defence Organisation
  • He claimed the changing weather in the country is 'suspect' said Israel to blame
  • Jalali claimed theory has a solid scientific basis and Iran also facing snow theft
  • Head of Iran's meteorological service was sceptical, said cloud theft not possible
  • The claim was also made by former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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Toroid

Founding Member
Iranian commander accuses Israel of stealing Iran's CLOUDS and causing a drought

  • Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali is head of Civil Defence Organisation
  • He claimed the changing weather in the country is 'suspect' said Israel to blame
  • Jalali claimed theory has a solid scientific basis and Iran also facing snow theft
  • Head of Iran's meteorological service was sceptical, said cloud theft not possible
  • The claim was also made by former Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
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It looks like weather warfare goes along with sanctions. Steve Quayle wrote a book about that subject.
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nivek

As Above So Below
WTF...:ohmy8:



Authorities in Hillsborough County, Florida are looking for a woman who was seen on CCTV footage Monday afternoon falling out of an SUV at an intersection. The video shows the driver of the vehicle getting out and dragging the woman back into the SUV and then speeding off. Cops found the SUV with a man and woman in it at a local Texaco station the next morning, but the woman is not believed to be the same person in the incident. Police are still asking for the public's help in locating her.

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Toroid

Founding Member
It's probably a dummy because of how thin it looks. Did it come out the passenger's side? In California we have High Occupancy Vehicle lanes (HOV) that you can drive in on the freeway if you have two or more people. I don't know if Hillsborough County, Florida has them.
 

Wade

Stare..... They are always staring
Well Boys & Gals it seems we have another pair in Britian who are in the hospital suffering from posion (nerve agent) although it does appear this was an accident, essentially being in the wrong place at the wrong time and not a possible assassination attempt. Small consolation to them

Wiltshire pair poisoned by Novichok nerve agent

Wiltshire pair poisoned by Novichok nerve agent
 
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