Old Encounters

Todd Feinman

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UFO lore has it that someone relayed a message from Einstein to a US President not to attack UFOs. Not sure if it was ever confirmed.
That's right! It could have been Einstein, but as you say, I don't think it was ever confirmed..
 

Todd Feinman

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Nevertheless, as can be seen in the old articles, people have been shooting at them forever. Of course :confused:
 

Todd Feinman

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One of the most convincing UFO photos, ever taken, IMHO. Taken by Mantua Police Chief Gerald Buchert in 1966 (lightened). You can see a police car in the foreground. The Ohio Police Chase is what the police chase in the beginning of Close Encounters was based on...
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michael59

Celestial


It made me giggle when he said, "I believe this to be a global phenomenon." and then again when he says he thinks it should be considered our number one concern. Because here it is over 50 years later and we are still tripping on the words UFO and extra terrestrial being. We all know we are not the only ones in the universe and yet we are afraid to say it because it means we are not in full control of our surroundings.

Most of these brave souls who came forward and spoke up against all odds are gone now.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I've read and watched tons of UFO stories. Lets say in that sample in not less then 50% of stories, same as in the one above, "space people" ;-) would be caught collecting samples of soil and/or plants. And, just on databases in US and France, there are 200,000 UFO stories over the last 70 years, which is roughly 2,800 reported visits per year. Obviously, reported cases are just tip of the iceberg. So, just for argument sake, lets expand my sample into these 200,000 that would mean very roughly 100,000 cases of "space people" coming to Earth to collect soil & plant samples.

That's one thing I can't figure out.

These aliens risk arm and a limb traveling across the voids of universe, where they face incredible radiation, collisions with micrometeorites, their technology breakdowns etc. just to collect few bacteria from soil? And that's really their dominant activity as observed by UFO witnesses. I completely can't figure it out. If they were plundering, burning and killing everybody, that would be more normal. For example, in the above case, they landed in a park in an urban area, they were out of a ship in a hurry, they wore protective suits and they were finished with their extra vehicular activity in less then one minute.

Obviously, they were apprehensive about any humans approaching them and they were showing all signs that they consider their own activity risky and they worked in a hurry. Why then they take all these risks just for sake of few bugs in the soil?

Anybody has any ideas? What can be so special about bugs in the soil?
 

nivek

As Above So Below

Five legendary UFO sightings that still puzzle observers (and what experts think REALLY happened)


The Gorman Dogfight, 1948

In 1948, a World War II veteran pilot had a 27-minute encounter with a white orb above Fargo, North Dakota.

George F Gorman told a local newspaper: 'I've never seen anything like it. If anyone else had reported such a thing I would have thought they were crazy.'

The incident was recorded in Project Blue Book, a US government attempt to analyze and document early UFO sightings. Captain Edward Ruppelt headed up the US Air Force's Project Blue Book UFO-hunting project, and actually proposed the use of the term UFO.

Gorman, 25, was a former fighter pilot and was flying a P-51 Mustang. While flying alone for night-flight practice, he saw what he at first thought to be the tail lights of another aircraft.

He said: 'It was about six to eight inches in diameter, clear white and completely without fuzz at the edges. It was blinking on and off. As I approached, however, the light suddenly became steady and pulled into a sharp left bank. I thought it was making a pass at the tower.'

Gorman tried crashing into it, he said, describing the object as a 'disk', but said it dodged him at speeds of over 600mph.

He said: 'Once, when the object was coming head on, I held my plane pointed right at it. The object came so close that I involuntarily ducked my head because I thought a crash was inevitable. But the object zoomed over my head.'

Two air traffic controllers and another pilot corroborated his story. Gorman continued his service, never speaking publicly about his UFO experience.

Air Force investigators officially concluded that it was an encounter with a weather balloon.


Washington National Airport Sightings, 1942

In July 1942, radar at the Air Routing and Traffic Control Center (ARTC) in Washington picked up seven targets — moving faster than any aircraft of the period.

Air Traffic Controller Edward Nugent's radar scope indicated they were 15 miles south-southwest of Washington DC. The Washington National Airport's control tower radar also displayed unidentified blips and the two controllers saw a bright light move at incredible speed.

Aircraft were scrambled, and some observers claimed to see lights in the sky, with one pilot describing four white glows traveling 1,000ft below him and too fast to chase.

The situation caused headlines around America and a hastily convened press conference explained that the radar blips had been caused by temperature inversions.

But what about the sightings? Watson said: 'What seems likely is that sightings were caused by the expectation of seeing something to account for these radar blips. Some of the sightings were explained as due to weather balloons and meteors.'

The death of Captain Thomas Mantell, 1958

An unidentified flying object was spotted by control tower operators at Godman Air Force Base, Kentucky.

Captain Thomas Mantell was requested to investigate it in his P-51 Mustang, reporting: 'It appears to be a metallic object or possibly the reflection of the sun from a metallic object, and it is of tremendous size.'

Mantell told operators he was flying higher to get a closer look, but then he stopped communicating. The wreckage of his aircraft was found near Franklin, Kentucky.

Watson said it is now believed Mantell's death was related to a then-classified Skyhook balloon — developed by the US Navy and 20ft in diameter. The balloons were used for atmospheric research, particularly for constant meteorological observations at high altitudes.

As it reached 100,000ft, the Skyhook expanded to a massive 70ft in diameter and 100ft tall.

Watson said that to this day, UFO fans insist that Mantell's aircraft was fired on by a UFO — but in reality, he probably blacked out while investigating a Skyhook.

Watson said: 'Lacking oxygen, he had passed out as his aircraft climbed higher into the sky and was unable to regain consciousness to prevent the crash.'

Flying saucer over Alaska, 1997

Locals called police in Fairbanks, Alaska after spotting something truly unearthly in the sky — a 300-foot saucer which loomed bigger than a planet.

It remained visible through the summer night.

What people had seen was not a visitor from beyond, but a NASA project using a balloon to obtain data about the concentration and weight of stratospheric gases at sunrise.

The Observations of the Middle Stratosphere (OMS) balloon was launched on 8 July 1997 — carrying a 1,700lb gondola housing scientific instruments (which local people saw and confused for a UFO).

Watson said: 'Although publicity was given about the project, the local Fairbanks police force received several telephone calls reporting a UFO in the sky. After recording their data, the large gondola suspended beneath the balloon was parachuted to the ground, where it made a perfect landing.'

Red lights in the sky, 1952

A second CIA briefing paper prepared in August 1952 revealed how Captain Ruppelt, who led the US Air Force's Project Blue Book UFO-hunting project, was called out at dusk to investigate red lights in the sky.

Even with binoculars, they couldn't make out what the object was, so an F-94 pilot was sent to investigate — finding that it was a cluster of three Skyhook balloons.

Telephone reports described the objects as violently moving 'saucers' of different shapes and colors, some of which were 'looping' around observers.

But staff at the airfield refused to believe the objects were truly balloons, despite the official report, Watson said.

He said the staff turned in a report saying that the sighting 'must have been of some other unknown origin.'


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Todd Feinman

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This Encounter:
May 25th 1953 Ramore Air Station-

"The sightings began on May 25th, 1953, with five Air Force witnesses who belonged to the 912th Aircraft Control and Warning Squadron. Each of them signed individual statements describing their sighting, which was apparently the first time any of them had seen anything like it. They observed an orange light about the size of a softball that seemed to be examining their radar equipment. As the airmen approached, the object departed by ascending straight upwards into the overcast sky, leaving an indentation in the clouds as it departed. Let's examine Airman Dean McDonald's testimony."

Sounds like the same type of object from this amazin encounter, posted earlier in this archive:
San Bernardino Sun, 1 July 1972

San Bernardino Sun 1 July 1972 — California Digital Newspaper Collection

"UFOs Return - Swooping and Swishing"
Because so many OTHER people saw this strange "thing" late Saturday night and early Sunday June 13, this small mention of it in The Sun puzzles me greatly. George Airmen Sight a Bright Orange Object GEORGE AFB Two airmen verified each otehr's report yesterday of seeing a "bright orange object" about 1 a.m. that seemed to be 375 feet in diameter as it sank behind a building southwest of their security-police beat at this base. The airmen, Gary Corley and Randolph Wogoman, said the L'FOf (unidentified flying object) sighting apparently went unobserved by anyone eise. They reported it to the air police, and to the Victorville Sheriff's Office and Adelanto Police Department. No evidence was fonnd of the object having landed, it was reported by the base information office. Our party of three stopped at the Scene of a minor accident around 11:30 p.m., Sunday, to find approximately 30 other people far more interested in watching this strange, circular, "whatever-it-was" moving quickly about In the sky above us, changing from bluish-white in color, at higher altitude, then to a weird orange-yellow as it, came down into the smog-filled lower atmosphere. One man in this mixed group of spectators told us that he had been tolde several times, by Air Force personnel, that the "thing" he had seen before was a highly-secret "craft" and he should not talk it over with others who have also seen it. Three U.S. airmen, in uniform, who claimed to be from Air Base in Nevada, (on official leave, we supposed) said they would surely know about, such craft, even though they might be under orders to remain silent about it, but they were as mystified as the rest of us. The thing that sickens me about this entire deal is the harm I saw in what it had done to one family on the preceding Saturday night. (The family of four whose pickup camper and trailer had run off of the dirt road where the 30 or more of us were assembled.) I talked with the two almost-hysterical girls, one 9, the other 11, and learned that the "thing" had hovered around their family's rather isolated campsite the night before for more than three hours, hurting their ears with its strange whirring sound each time it. ascended from "almost on top of us" as "a big round orange-colored thing" which became, a second later, "just a big bright-blue dot high in the sky." The still-frightened girls told me their story between the several "dips" this "craft" made over us while several strong men moved boulders and pushed the camper and trailer out of the ditch. Each time the "thing" seemed to move in on us, as though exploring the various automobile lights and flashlights trained on the repair job, the two little girls would cover their ears and throw themselves at their mother's feet, sobbing, while I tried to assure both the mother and the girls that there was bound to be a logical explanation
Because so many OTHER people saw this strange "thing" late Saturday night and early Sunday June 13, this small mention of it in The Sun puzzles me greatly. George Airmen Sight a Bright Orange Object GEORGE AFB Two airmen verified each other's report yesterday of seeing a "bright orange object" about 1 a.m. that seemed to be 375 feet in diameter as it sank behind a building southwest of their security-police beat at this base. The airmen, Gary Corley and Randolph Wogoman, said the L'FOf (unidentified flying object) sighting apparently went unobserved by anyone eise. They reported it to the air police, and to the Victorville Sheriff's Office and Adelanto Police Department. No evidence was fonnd of the object having landed, it was reported by the base information office.
 
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