Oumuamua, Solar Sail?

wwkirk

Divine

Toroid

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The space faring Mayan's technology is stone. That could have been reversed engineered from the Ancient Builder Race. They disappeared from history and some believe they ascended to become the Blue Avians. Corey Goode claims Oumuamua was boarded and they found a slime on the interior walls. They think it was actually the remains of the crew. If you have something biological banging against the walls from literally billions of years they'll end up as a slime. Goode also said the ship was stripped of useful technology many times. It's very similar to the ship they photographed on the moon. I think they put energy into the stone to create lift and propulsion similar to what was done by the ancients on earth with acoustic levitation.

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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
The space faring Mayan's technology is stone. That could have been reversed engineered from the Ancient Builder Race. They disappeared from history and some believe they ascended to become the Blue Avians. Corey Goode claims Oumuamua was boarded and they found a slime on the interior walls. They think it was actually the remains of the crew. If you have something biological banging against the walls from literally billions of years they'll end up as a slime. Goode also said the ship was stripped of useful technology many times. It's very similar to the ship they photographed on the moon. I think they put energy into the stone to create lift and propulsion similar to what was done by the ancients on earth with acoustic levitation.

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That's the image of the fake moonship that has been going around for more than 10 years.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
This story is something conspiracy theorists are running with.
The issue is simple, Nasa is having complications identifying Oumuamua as either a comet or an asteroid.
So naturally, people jump to the conclusion that it's either an alien probe or a ship. I'm sorry to burst anyone's bubble on this but the fact is, Oumaumua is without a doubt either a comet or an asteroid.

I close this by saying, I'm sorry, I want to see proof too, I want to see extraterrestrials and alien technology, But No one at Nasa or even at the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) directly said this was "Alien" If you actually read their original comments or watch this video, One will quickly see a story develop where Nasa cannot confirm that Oumuamua is either a comet or an asteroid, So Then Surely, The media thought, It must finally be aliens. This whole story exists because people want to take words and twist them for click bate on sites like the daily mail.

This article takes words and assumes things, It references Nasa And the CFA, However, if you actually read what Nasa and the CFA are officially stating about Oumuamua you will quickly see this is simply an issue of, is it a comet or an asteroid, No one in the scientific community has even suggested this could be remotely extraterrestrial on any level officially.

 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Asteroids nor Meteors make course corrections and increase speed...

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APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
Mysterious interstellar asteroid 'Oumuamua could be a giant solar sail 'sent from another civilization to look for signs of life,' claim astronomers

"Astronomers from the Harvard Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA) analyzed the strange cigar shape of the object, and an unexpected boost in speed and shift in trajectory as it passed through the inner solar system last year.

"They concluded that the strange asteroid 'might be a lightsail of artificial origin.'"

Here's the actual source. It's an interesting conjecture based on real science, but there is a fair bit of uncertainty.

Avi Loeb is a legit physicist, so this isn't fringe kookery, but he has a long history of publishing speculative papers. Not that there's anything WRONG with that. All his speculative papers I've read are well reasoned.

 

APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
This story is something conspiracy theorists are running with.
The issue is simple, Nasa is having complications identifying Oumuamua as either a comet or an asteroid.

NASA's not really very much involved with this - it' snot in their portfolio. A large community of astronomers have been studying the object since it was first sighted by PAN-STARSS.

The Space Telescope Science institute is independent of NASA, although there are ties.
 

APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
Although I think the Bialy-Loeb paper is fine as far as it goes, I don't buy the use of the phrase "solar sail". Solar sails have to be actively controlled, and this thing is clearly tumbling. A solar sail will also have a very highly reflective side and a much darker side, leading to an asymmetric light curve even if it is out of service, and we don't see that.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Here's the actual source. It's an interesting conjecture based on real science, but there is a fair bit of uncertainty.

I would also expect the object be it comet or asteroid to accelerate due to it getting closer to the suns gravity as it approached from above the plane of the ecliptic. The suns gravity could also slight adjust its course as the pull of gravity increases.
 
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APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
I would also expect the object be it comet or asteroid to accelerate due to it getting closer to the suns gravity as it approached from above the plane of the ecliptic. The suns gravity could also slight adjust its course as the pull of gravity increases.

Well, yeah, but that's easily modeled. They found an additional acceleration that the Sun's gravity can't account for. It's all in the paper.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Well, yeah, but that's easily modeled. They found an additional acceleration that the Sun's gravity can't account for. It's all in the paper.

All I saw was the abstract......but that is based on the assumption the sun is the only gravitational affect. Unless the unaccounted for acceleration is an exponentially greater than the suns gravity.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
When Asteroids Become Comets Asteroids can become comets. they can develop coma and a tail. what would cause a course correction is a simple jettison from its tail
Imagine an Alka-Seltzer in water. When it's fizzing it will propel around in the glass. Radiation pressure and solar wind cause a comet to have a tail. Now let us assume for a moment that the entire orbit of the object has varying degrees of solar wind and radioactive pressure, You have to think of space in incredible detail, it's not just this big emptiness, My assumption is Oumuamua hits these high solar pressure areas and it fizzes, The jettisoned force from the tail will change its course without doubt. now, what happens when it's no longer in these high areas of solar radiation?

It's a comet or an asteroid. it's simply getting closer to stars and this causes it to form a tail in the high-pressure solar winds. as it exits these areas it loses its tail. It's a simple "space weather phenomenon".
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
Here's the actual source. It's an interesting conjecture based on real science, but there is a fair bit of uncertainty.

Avi Loeb is a legit physicist, so this isn't fringe kookery, but he has a long history of publishing speculative papers. Not that there's anything WRONG with that. All his speculative papers I've read are well reasoned.



The paper isn't going to be published until November 12th...I prefer to wait and read it before disregarding it...

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Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
All I saw was the abstract......but that is based on the assumption the sun is the only gravitational affect. Unless the unaccounted for acceleration is an exponentially greater than the suns gravity.

My apologies......I had meant to add that there are many smaller causes that cause speed and direction to vary..
 

APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
All I saw was the abstract......but that is based on the assumption the sun is the only gravitational affect. Unless the unaccounted for acceleration is an exponentially greater than the suns gravity.

Don't know what you mean by "exponentially," but no it's much smaller. The models also account for gravitational perturbations by the planets.
 

APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
The paper isn't going to be published until November 12th...I prefer to wait and read it before disregarding it...

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The Arxiv preprint is probably very close to what the final paper will be. Maybe some minor tweaks, but that's all.

I don't know who you think is disregarding it.
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
Don't know what you mean by "exponentially," but no it's much smaller. The models also account for gravitational perturbations by the planets.

If the changes are a fractional amount compared to the sun then small changes can be expected. No doubt there are forces that could affect its speed that we don't take in to account that are unknown.
 

APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
If the changes are a fractional amount compared to the sun then small changes can be expected. No doubt there are forces that could affect its speed that we don't take in to account that are unknown.

Very small. The forces are only about the same magnitude for objects about 1 micron in size (very fine dust).
 
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