Playing God with time ??

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  1. Wade

    Wade Stare..... They are always staring

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    UAPs disabled nuclear missiles multiple times according to new testimony – Mystery Wire.

    I always liked the idea ( courtesy of my own fevered imagination ) that these events would be true in the sense that the UAP's/UFO's did this because they needed for events to happen in such a way so that they purposely presented mankind from destroying ourself until such a time as it was warrented, in other words it needed to happen at this particular time to keep time itself in order.
     
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  2. SOUL-DRIFTER

    SOUL-DRIFTER Life Long Researcher

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    In my opinion it is more a test.
    To see our response and to show us what they can do.
    There have been several different otherworldly visitors that have indicated this over the decades.
     
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  3. Rick Hunter

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    Thats what I think they were doing at Rendlesham.
     
  4. pigfarmer

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    Never thought about them like this - the weapons tests that is. Four of them were big 1-2 times the yield of the weapons used against Japan. The rest were small, I am assuming tactical nukes. That brings up a relevant point about these that is often overlooked.

    The big ones are strategic weapons that generally come from land based silos, bombers and submarines. The latter two can also fire nuclear tipped cruise missiles that are thought of as tactical due to their yield, although that line is blurrier than it used to be as there have been recent refinements in yield - 'dial-a-nuke'. Current thinking is that they pose a greater threat as they are more likely to be used. ET will have to up their game if they want to bother those things. The last video explains this well.

    You want to see what any of these will do, it's not quite what you might think NUKEMAP by Alex Wellerstein
    Check out the last video of a Davy Crockett - it's the first one on the drop down list of preset yields.

    Back to the future with mini-nukes? | The Strategist

    As an example of the thinking contemporary to the 50s and 60s, have a look at this insane damned thing. I saw one at Aberdeen MD and believe it's since been moved.

    Atomic Cannon — Cold War Tourist


    This one, to me, says 'noooooooooooo'
    The M28/M29 Davy Crockett Nuclear Weapon System – The Campaign for the National Museum of the United States Army

     
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  5. wwkirk

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  6. pigfarmer

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    Trying to find a scholarly reference for this only works when you put in 'portable nuclear devices'. Apart from the mechanics of any search and using the right terms it certainly seems that suitcase nukes have been the topic of way more speculation than fact. And, like a lot of other things, has become a pop culture interest. Red 2 had one and I have no doubt others too. Just find to get your chocolate in my peanut butter but you have to be careful about mixing pop-culture with fact.

    Shooting from the hip I'd say the probability is comparatively low. First you would need the device and constructing one requires resources most don't have. I suppose either the Chinese or Russians could make one, maybe India. No doubt the UK and Israelis. I know it's possible to tell quite a lot about the weapon itself from the residue it leaves and would call that a serious risk to take for either of those two states for fear of identification. The repercussions should pucker anyone's bung. That leaves obtaining one already made and that would mean some Soviet weapon left over from God knows when.

    Then you'd have to get it to where you want to use it. I've often thought, why bother with a backpack? A container ship in a major harbor with about any nuclear weapon wouldn't need to be portable and would be a bad day for all concerned. The US has very sophisticated mechanisms to monitor our ports for radioactive signatures for exactly that reason. Coming in via air travel seems highly unlikely. But we have enormous borders and I would imagine smuggling in a man portable weapon would be possible. Then you'd have to know how to deploy it which might or might not be all that simple. Certainly some skills are required. Bottom line is - if it were that easy to do it would have already been done. Doesn't mean it can't, I just thing the 'mitigating factors' make it unlikely.

    Here's the most recent article I could find from an academic source
    Portable Nuclear Devices

    Some interesting reading but 20 years out of date

    “Suitcase Nukes:” A Reassessment | James Martin Center for Nonproliferation Studies

    Atomic Suitcase Bombs - Comments On Russia's Atomic Suitcase Bombs | Russian Roulette | FRONTLINE | PBS

    Atomic Suitcase Bombs - Testimony Of Dr. Alexie Yablokov | Russian Roulette | FRONTLINE | PBS
     
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  7. wwkirk

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    Being 20 years old isn't a problem as I was specifically referring to Soviet era devices.
    I did find this remark of yours puzzling, though.
    How can you suppose it hadn't been done? I'm not talking about exploding such a weapon outside a test facility. Are you assuming that if such weapons had ever been brought into the US they would have been detected?
     
  8. pigfarmer

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    Well, yes.
     
  9. wwkirk

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    I don't know much about radiation, but can't lead effectively block detection? And let's say, they either were smuggled via a diplomatic pouch, or, safer, a remote location (the way all sorts of contraband gets in).

    I would imagine that if such smuggling attempts were made, not all devices would be discovered. If that's plausible, the question remains whether the US would disclose such incidents or keep it hush hush.
     
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  10. pigfarmer

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    I agree - it would be difficult if not virtually impossible to keep every last one of them out. Think about how sophisticated drug smugglers are. Actually, that's some strange reassurance in a way. If it could have been done with relative ease it already would have been. My suspicion is that there were only a certain number made and that apart from portable weapons I know a considerable effort went on out of the light of the press to secure them after the Soviet Union collapsed. Former Soviet officers have an equally vested reason for securing weapons of that nature, in fact I would imagine the worst Russian oligarch you could find would agree it's bad for business and their health.

    I suppose the real problem would be something like that falling in to the hands of terrorists. I can't imagine it would be all that easy to do and anyone assisting them in that sort of endeavor runs a definite risk of being discovered and have to deal with the consequences. A state-actor would have to have a damned compelling reason to get involved in that nonsense. Despite the rhetoric I don't think even Kim Jong-Un is that nuts.

    While we're chatting up doomsday weapons this leads me back to what I have been ruminating on: The Cold War, USOs, & the K-219 Submarine Incident

    Just suppose you were granted a wish and could sit down on your couch nice and comfy and start flipping through channels. Except each one would reveal the most closely guarded secrets of the all the governments and militaries in the world. Sure, we'd love to find out the truth about a lot of things but what if you found out the darkest of them had nothing to do with the paranormal or UFOs ?

    Once in a while you get a an idea, maybe a little peek. I think that's what all that business I was going on about in the other thread is all about. It's quite plausible that an attempt was made to launch a nuclear weapon to destroy Honolulu and Pearl Harbor and pin the blame on the Chinese. The attempt originated at the highest levels of the Soviet government, which was far from being the monolithic entity it appeared to be. We hear bits and pieces and find out that what we had accepted as fact - like the Glomar Explorer and recovery of part of K-129 - was only the tiny part we were allowed to know for various reasons. And that few if any of those reasons had anything to do with enlightening the public. Probably a lot like the recent attention directed to UAPs.

    I don't know what to say about Robert Hastings and the two missile silos. Certainly compelling. But as it goes, God helps those who help themselves and lacking a convenient deity I wouldn't look to ET either for help in controlling nuclear weapons. IMO the real secret hasn't been to address nuclear proliferation it's been to prevent nuclear catastrophe and that has probably taken on far larger and more complex dimensions that we might imagine. No, I honestly don't think we'll find out about any of that in our lifetimes. Maybe our grandchildren will, assuming there are any. Without going too far off on a tangent, I can't help but wonder if the attention directed at UAPs and so forth as of late isn't connected to that in some way.
     
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  11. nivek

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    It would depend on how it's packaged I suppose...It seems to me that if an x-ray scanner detected a lead -lined container thst would raise suspicions...

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  12. wwkirk

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    I'm positive Soviet nuke smugglers weren't going through customs. (No intelligent nuke smuggler would.)
     
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