Ravenna Revisited - The Portage County UFO Chase.

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    Was asked by a good friend a while back to create a new thread on this case and condense all the info back into one OP - I realize most researchers on here will be aware of the basic facts but for those who haven't read about it then the incident really is a fascinating one involving an 86 mile police car UFO chase, multiple separately located witnesses, close range object descriptions and a highly questionable government investigation and version of events -it's also interesting to note the unknown object was reported to be 'putting out light beams', performing highly unusual flight characteristics and emitting a buzzing or humming noise which went up in pitch as the object accelerated.

    Back in 1966 the case caused a huge amount of media coverage so it's a bit of a mystery as to why so many people outside UFO research haven't even heard of it today but it is worth pointing out that the events were the inspiration for Stephen Spielberg's police car UFO chase at the beginning of classic film 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind' -it's probably also worth mentioning that despite the incident being one of the most intriguing UFO cases in the last 50 years (IMHO) the Colorado Committee's Dr Condon willfully ignored it and elected to omit it from his own report (along with a great many other unexplained police/pilot UFO cases).





    Due to the huge amount of info out there about the case will try to give an ongoing sequence of events with quotes from relevant links in each section -the aftermath; the way the police witnesses were treated and the way the USAF conducted itself (and attempted to debunk the incident without even consulting its own scientific consultant) would make a thread in itself so this might be a bit of a big one but hopefully worth it as the true nature of the object involved still remains extremely controversial.



    The Chase:

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    The sightings occurred on April 17th, 1966 with the first report actually coming in from a female civilian witness in Summit County, Ohio who described a brightly lit object 'as big as a house but too low to be a plane' flying over her neighborhood (apparently police officers in patrol cars laughed about it) but then later on two other officers, Dale Spaur and Wilbur Neff also witnessed a very strange object coming over the treeline of a hill whilst investigating an abandoned car on Route 224 near Ravenna.

    According to the officers the object then came from the South and hovered directly over their patrol car, illuminating the immediate area with an intense light making it 'as bright as day' -they also stated the car's head-lights 'did not make nearly as much light as the object did' and also that it was 'like looking at a welder's torch'.

    * The report also states that another Deputy Sheriff situated on the other side of the hill in Atwater also witnessed the UFO over the treeline in the direction of Spaur and Neff but unfortunately wanted to remain anonymous (considering what happened I can't really blame him).


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    As it mentions above, the two officers then got to their patrol car and radioed in a report, they were then instructed to pursue the object by Sergeant Schoenfelt (who was trying to get a 'photo unit' to the scene) which they did at speeds ranging up to 100 mph whilst constantly reporting their position to other squad cars from different jurisdictions.

    It's stated several other officers also witnessed the UFO and joined in the chase, a good example being Officer H. Wayne Huston who saw the object being pursued by Spar and Neff's sheriff's cruiser and joined in 'bumper to bumper'.


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    Officer Huston:

     
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    The chase then continued 86 miles from Randolph to just across the state line into Pennsylvania and, as well as police reports of the UFO moving from side to side above the road, changing its speed and gaining or losing altitude, there's also this strange account describing how the object 'came down and waited near a bridge' for the pursuing police officers.



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    Pennsylvania police officer Frank Panzenella also witnessed the object which he at first thought was 'an airplane on fire'.



    It's also stated in the reports that when Deputy Spaur and Neff's police cruiser got low on fuel (they actually had to borrow petrol to get back home) they then pulled over to enlist the help of Officer Panzenella -the UFO also stopped and was witnessed by the officers hovering above Harmony Township at approximate altitude of 1,000 feet before 'shooting straight up' to an approximate altitude of 3,500 feet.

    There is speculation that the vertical ascent of the UFO was due to incoming jet aircraft scrambled to pursue the object and it's also stated the officers could actually see the planes coming into the area yet the U.S. Government denies any such action took place.

    Also relevant is the report that the officers did hear dispatch traffic on their police radio concerning the aircraft scramble and a notation was entered in the records of Columbiana County radio log stating that "P-13 contacted a Pittsburgh PD unit and they scrambled some jets, that flew under the object."


    Police Officer Spar:


    Police Officer Frank Panzenella:


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    Also some other possible witnesses to the radio traffic:



    There were also reports of an NBC afternoon news broadcast on Monday, April 18th, 1966 which stated that a jet trainer with the 459th Troop Carrier Wing (Youngstown AFR) flew near the UFO and heard a humming noise but can't seem to find out any more info about that (if anyone knows any please post).

    Below is the relevant government document denying the scramble and also a relevant paragraph from the APRO Bulletin May 1966 edition stating press reports about the Air Force Reserve pilots were withdrawn.


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    Other Witnesses:


    By the the time the 86 mile chase was over it was being reported that 'hundreds' of civilians in two states had witnessed the UFO and that it was 'reported by at least six or seven other police departments in Ohio' -it's also mentioned that the radio dispatcher even suggested the police officers open fire on the object and that the two main deputies involved wore out two new sets of tires chasing it.

    As well as info about other police/civilian witnesses there are also news articles below and the first one contains details of another sighting by Police Chief Buchert who was situated in Mantua (18 miles northwest of the spot on Route 224) and a possible photograph he captured of the object.


    News Articles:


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    Two Ohio Deputies Chase Flying Saucer

    First Hand Info On UFO

    Chief Saw The Saucer And Got The Picture

    UFO Chased Into County


    Patrolman Huston:


    Officer Kwaianowski:

    Officers Johnson and Esterly:

    Other Civilian Witnesses:

     
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    Object description:


    As well as the police statements above describing the UFO as 'the shape of half a football' and 'a flattened ice cream cone' there are also some other sketches and testimony about the object below -probably the most intriguing description is from the police officers where they state the UFO was "about 50 feet across and 15 to 20 feet high with a large dome on its top and an antenna jutted out from the rear of the dome" but the general consensus does seem to be some sort of large, dome shaped, metallic object projecting a type of cone-shaped light underneath (Chief Buchert also stated the object he saw was like 'two table saucers put together').


    Report/sketches:

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    In this statement made by Deputy Spaur via his patrol car microphone to the radio dispatcher he goes into more detail about the light beam -it was also stated that the light from the object was so bright the officers 'could have driven without their own lights being on':



    Also here near the end of the pursuit:



    Also some comments here made about the size of the object:


     
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    Weitzel Investigation:


    William B. Weitzel was the former Chairman of NICAP Pennsylvania Investigative Subcommittee during the 1960's and I think it's got to be said he did a pretty thorough job of investigating this case -it's also been said that if a person want a comprehensive version of events then his report containing the taped interviews, witness sketches, signed statements etc. is a good place to start and his letter to Professor William Powers of Dearborn Observatory also does a great job of summing things up.


    Report:


    Letter:

    William Weitzel letter to Professor William Powers, Dearborn Observatory


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    William B. Weitzel's letter to Professor William Powers - Page 1 / 2 / 3 / 4 / 5


    Taped Interview (courtesy of Easynow):

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    Statement Documents:


    Wayne Huston's written report

    William Aker's written report

    Patrolman Frank Panzanella's typed report

    Deputy Sheriff Dale F. Spaur and Posse Member W. L. Neff written statement


    Also some really interesting commentary and another witness sketch showing the size and context of the UFO out of the patrol car windscreen in the 'William B. Weitzel Report' file below -it contains some truly detailed information about this case and also quotes some pretty freaky examples of the discussion the Police Officers were having with Radio Dispatch Deputies Robert Wilson and John Bieghey during the pursuit (nearly shooting at the object, nearly crashing the car, possible radar confirmation etc.):


     
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    The Condon Report:


    As it mentions in the first post William B. Weitzel's full report about the events of April 17th, 1966 were personally hand delivered to Dr. Edward U. Condon by NICAP's Richard Hall, apparently it was 'a huge case file' which Hall described as 'a model of thorough investigation and documentation' - the Condon Report published two years later doesn't even mention the case.



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    Official Investigation::


    Due to the public furore about this case and considering claims by the USAF (and therefore the U.S. Government) that Project Bluebook was 'a systematic study of unidentified flying objects' with a view to 'scientifically analyze UFO-related data' you would think that their official investigation into these events would be a thorough, professional and impartial one.

    The USAF initially contacted news agencies about the case on April 18th and interviewed local meteorologists in the hope that a weather balloon could have been responsible for the UFO (none were launched and winds were mild) -William Powers who was an assistant to Dr Hynek also spoke to Deputy Spaur on the telephone and after the call suggested to the Chief of Project Bluebook Major Hector Quintanilla that the officers may have mistaken the planet Venus for the UFO (after acquainting himself with more facts Mr Powers did later dismiss his own explanation as inadequate).

    Major Hector Quintanilla then began his investigation which 'actually consisted of a two and a half minute phone call' by suggesting to Deputy Spaur that he had seen a mirage (Spaur insisted he had seen no mirage but a clearly defined metallic object maneuvering at very low altitudes), he then made another one and a half minute call to the officer attempting to get him to sign a document stating the UFO sighting had only lasted a few minutes -there's a full in-depth account of these events described in this pdf file around page 44.



    Official Explanation:


    After speaking to just one of the police witnesses for under five minutes here is the official explanation for the Portage County police UFO incident (BB case number 10073) as put forward by Major Hector Quintanilla.




    The explanation was issued in the form of a press release and despite quite a large number of inconsistencies including the fact that no satellite was visible at that time over Ohio and that the police officers stated they could see the planet Venus, the moon and the UFO towards the end of the pursuit this official conclusion still stands today -according to Quintanilla the UFO's maneuvers and flight characteristics were just 'an optical illusion caused by their excitement and high speed of travel' and he also flatly denied that any jets had been scrambled.

    William T. Powers from Northwestern University who had originally suggested the Venus explanation to Quintanilla in the first place had looked more extensively into the case and now stated that he could not agree with the official evaluation and that the hypothesis was incorrect -he also mentions in the letter to two of the police witnesses below that 'what you reported to me could not possibly lead to such a conclusion: a satellite satisfies none of the characteristics of your reported object'.


    Letter to Spauer & Neff from Wm. T. Powers.


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    Reaction::


    After the press release, one of the first folks to be officially informed about Bluebook's explanation was Portage County Sheriff Ross Dustman (Neff and Spaur's boss) who it's said 'laughed out loud' down the telephone - Police Officer Dale Spaur also had a thing or two to say about it and there's some pretty emotional testimony below in which he states he is definitely sure that the object wasn't the planet Venus and that 'he wouldn't have gambled his life, his partner's life or any innocent person on the highway' chasing it.


    Sheriff Ross Dustman's statement:


    Sheriff Dale Spaur's statement:



    More info, statements and opinions found in news archives. Beaver County Times:


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    Book Reopened::



    Think it's fair to say NICAP's William Weitzel who performed the initial investigation into events for NICAP wasn't too impressed with Quintanilla's explanation (or method of investigation) either and there's yet more relevant info below about how he and Portage County Judge Robert E. Cook wrote to U.S. Congressman William Stanton about it -Stanton in turn contacted the then Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara and also travelled to the Pentagon to meet with Colonel John Spaulding who promised 'an investigator would arrive there shortly'.



    That investigator turned out to be Major Quintanilla again and he re-interviewed one of the police witnesses Deputy Dale Spaur (this time for more than five minutes) -Spaur who was 'suspicious of Quintanilla' also asked William Weitzel to come along and tape the interview so that he could not be misquoted and there would be accurate record of the conversation (see videos)

    Dr. Hynek also shares his opinions on the meeting (as well as citing partial transcripts) in the free E-book below, he also goes on to mention how he thinks the case should be reclassified as a 'strong unidentified' and how the rule that Project Bluebook should not adopt an astronomical interpretation of a UFO sighting without the concurrence of the consultant astronomer was 'frequently and flagrantly violated'.

    Major Quintanilla's objectivity is also called into question when Hynek states that 'his method was simple: disregard any evidence that was counter to his hypothesis'.


    Hynek:


    Free E-book - Page 130


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    J. Allen Hynek - The UFO Experience - A Scientific Inquiry (1972)



    Official Conclusion:


    Despite Colonel Spaulding from the Pentagon conceding that Quintanilla's investigation had been 'in error' and despite Quintanilla being pressured by Congress to re-interview one of the witnesses, the Major decided to stick with the testimony obtained his first 'investigation' and refused to change the evaluation.

    When William Weitzel telephoned Project Bluebook he was told by Lieutenant Marley that there was 'No change of conclusion. Still satellite - Venus' -he also received this letter from Colonel Freeman about further inquiries on November 7th: Letter:


     
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    ^ That is wonderful! I had a skeptic trying to pass it off as Venus once, too. :Thumbsup:
     
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    Aftermath::



    Due to the Satellite / Venus debunk, the initial aftermath of the investigation was a difficult time for the police witnesses and it's said they experienced quite a lot of ridicule and mockery for being the victims of an optical illusion and making such a fuss over a planet -Deputy Sheriff Dale Spaur also took the brunt of the fallout as Major Quintanilla's statement to the media made no mention of any other police officers (or civilians) seeing the object.


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    Aftermath Of A Sighting


    Haunted By A Saucer Named Floyd (pdf file)


    He Chased A Flying Saucer Now His Life Is Shattered



    Officers Buchert, Neff, Huston and Panzanella were also affected though and due to the media frenzy following the sightings Panzanella had to disconnect his phone, Buchert lost 20 pounds in 3 days and Huston even felt he had to change his name -Deputy Neff also remarked to his wife that now even if the UFO were to land in his back yard he 'wouldn’t tell a soul'.


    It’s Chasing Him Now, Flying Saucer Blasts His Life


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    Dr Mcdonald:


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    Atmospherical physicist Dr James E. Mcdonald also personally invested 'a great deal of time' looking into the case and re-interviewing the witnesses -he also rejected Bluebook's explanation as implausible and wrote in his diary that Quintanilla did promise to change the official explanation to 'unidentified' (which is what Dr Hynek thought should happen as well) but unfortunately the Major never did.



    In his lecture at Kent State University in 1968 Dr Mcdonald also discussed the incident and brought up factors like the size, height and description of the object, separately located witnesses and the fact that he had assurances that the official assessment would be changed -he also criticizes the 'ugly' interrogation of Deputy Spaur by Major Quintanilla.

    * At the link Dr Mcdonald also mentions another similar police UFO case known as the Red Bluff Incident -this involved an object reported by officers to be performing 'aerial gymnastics' that were 'actually unbelievable' and the Bluebook explanation for this one is 'Aldeberan and Capella'.





    Also thought he asked some pertinent questions here and made an important point about USAF UFO explanations leaving a lot to be desired.


     
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    So what to make of it all then? As Dr Hynek put it, the crucial question was 'what did the deputies see rise over the treetops?' and I suppose it's a pretty astute one as the object then went on to hover directly over the officer's patrol car whilst illuminating the area with an 'intense light'.

    If a person does accept the Project Bluebook's explanation (and a lot don't) then it seems they have to ignore large swathes of first hand witness testimony about the UFO maneuvering across the road, hovering over, pacing and accelerating away from the patrol car, coming down near the bridge, shooting straight up etc..

    They also have to consider that the evaluation was the product of probably one of the least thorough investigations in UFO history consisting of a five minute telephone call to only one of the witnesses and factor in the satellite involved was not even visible in the sky at the time (as stated by Dr Hynek).

    Also, it's repeatedly stated that the object the police officers were chasing was visible in the sky at the same time as the planet Venus (which was described as 'a white dot next to the moon') and that planets don't tend to make a loud humming noise like an overloaded transformer or put out beams of light that produce illuminated spots on the ground.


    Test:

    If the object was some sort of secret military test vehicle as some folks have suggested then I suppose some serious questions also need to be asked about the nature of the object; its flight charateristics (hovering capabilities, vertical ascent, high acceleration, high speed, high maneuverability etc.) and its appearance (no visible propulsion system, no windows, no irregular surface features, no exhaust or contrails etc).

    As Dr Mcdonald already mentioned back in 1968 'the technology reported has still not been displayed in any military arena by any government we know' and as that statement remains true nearly 50 years later then what was the technology and who on earth was testing it?

    Then of course there's the public safety factor in testing the object over heavily populated areas and the incredible irresponsibilty of flying it very close to public highways, endangering human lives and goading the police officers into an 86 mile pursuit (which inevitably ruined the life of one of the witnesses). If none of those two then it really does leave us with a truly Unidentified Flying Object and no wonder the two scientists Dr Hynek and Dr Mcdonald wanted to officially reclassify the case 'a strong unidentified'.

    Also what does it say about Project Bluebook's debunking agenda in the 1960's as this is by no means the only case where the official explanation is an extremely controversial one -perhaps Dr Mcdonald had it right all along when he said that many of the truly interesting UFO cases have been 'swept under the rug in a most disturbing way'.



    Also, not to go on about it but apparently about 30 or 40 per cent of Bluebook cases may have been 'miscategorized' by the USAF as 'identified' and the true number of credible cases grossly underestimated -there are even claims that the Bluebook team from the 1960's went back and substituted official summary cards for unexplained cases 'to reduce the number of unknowns at any cost' and researcher Brad Sparks has compiled a great list below.




    Miscellaneous:

    Similar police UFO pursuit in the same state 10 days earlier - report also states the UFO departed vertically like the Portage case (sourced by Kandinsky):

    April 7, 1966; Mansfield, OHIO - NICAP - The 1966 UFO Chronology


    Claims of missing (or suppressed) evidence in the Portage County case:

    Lost Evidence Case #10: Persecution of Cops Who Said They Didn’t Chase Venus.


    UFO sighting on same day as the Portage County incident by three municipal workers and a policeman in Western Michigan: [

    Area UFO Followed By Trouble



    PDF Files::


    Congressional Hearings:

    Ohio Sheriffs' Instrumental In 1966 U.S. Congressional hearings on UFOs


    New UFO witness - Catholic priest:

    April 1966 Ravenna Case Revisited: New Interviews Reported


    Ravenna UFO - Page 23:

    REGIONAL ENCOUNTERS - The FC Files, A Century of UFO Sightings and Close Encounters in the Midwest (Page 22)


    Page 7 - Tenacious Female News Reporter Causes Quintanilla High Level Pressure:

    The Ravenna Case - NICAP UFO Investigator



    Links:


    NICAP Case Directory:

    http://www.nicap.org/portagedir.htm


    Ufologie Case Directory:

    ufo - UFOs at close sight: the 1966 Portage County police UFO chase Portage County, Ohio UFO Police Chase-1966 |Alien-UFO-Research|

    http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Portage-County-UFO-Chase #UFO Case Files Blog: Portage County Ohio, Police UFO chase 1966

    FallingLeaf Blog


    http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/cleveland.1966

    The Portage County, Ohio, UFO Chase - UFO Casebook Files

    http://www.ufosthroughthewormhole.o...lice-photo-portage-county-ohio-april-17-1966/

    http://www.cohenufo.org/PortageCounty1966-Spaur-Neff.htm
     
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    Deleted! Interview already posted. Great thread!
     
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    No worries mate - there's also this report from one month earlier in Michigan which sounds very similar -right down to the antenna.



    A lot of UFO research has now been deleted from the internet (including that link) but here's a new address to the copy of the Weitzel report.


    Wayback Machine

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    Great wealth of information there Karl, :Thumbsup: on one of the most fascinating and convincing cases of all time! [let's face it... if you are still of the mind that every single UFO report can be 'explained away as being of a prosaic nature when you truly digest the information that you have provided on just this one alone... then there's no hope for you whatsoever!]
    The Portage County incident is as good as it gets, let alone the rest of the whole 1966 flap.
    ... And as you quite rightly point out, the "official explanations" that have been shown as nonsense by an array of professionals at the time and since over the years are completely laughable! ... A lot of commenters simply tend to lay the blame at the doorstep of J Allen Hynek for all of this... but I think that to be pretty unfair, because although in those days he certainly played his part in trying to neutralise the truth by offering limp alternatives in favour of the 'official denial stance', he was also in my opinion just the public mouthpiece of this top level coverup. ... in as much as even though he was programmed to give these false explanations , his own personal judgements were necessarily being disguised!
    In his son's own words...
    .. and as pertaining to this specific event, his conflict with his superior Hector Quintanilla is made pretty clear...
    Strangers in the Night
    Yep... this is an all time classic case mate, and people look at me as though i'm crazy when I say that this definitely should be one of the cases included in the history curriculum in all schools! ... after all, we there's no doubt that we have more solid records and verifiable information for some of these historical incidents than we have for anything that we are taut as fact about most other historical events! :Whistle:

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    This photo taken at Kangaroo Island really reminds me of the drawing of the Portage County,
    Ohio object:

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    UFO sighting at Cape Willoughby Lighthouse, Kangaroo Island

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    It also looks like there might be some kind of wash on the surface of the ocean below it, too..
     
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    Thanks for the post mate, truly fascinating case and always loved this quote from Sheriff Dustman - also wonder if it's the same object(s) involved in Michigan, Massachusetts, New Hampshire etc. the same year.




    Yes lots of highly dubious debunkery (and skullduggery) at that time mate - don't know if you've seen this presentation but Kathleen Marden has conducted some great research into the archives of the American Philosophical Society.

    Some good nuggets of info in there including the rather close and curious connection between Klass, Menzel, Low and Condon.





    Noone knew it but after years of trying Klass and Menzel finally managed to wangle their way into Project Bluebook under the reign of Major Hector Quintanilla.. and there really were some truly ridiculous UFO explanations (and pretty nasty character assassination of UFO witnesses).

    Here's what Doc Hynek had to say about it - love this quote as well.




    Great quote mate and would have to agree with Doc Hynek on that one - think it's patently obvious that unidentified flying objects do exist (radar confirmation, ground trace evidence, EM effects, physiological effects etc.) and it's not about 'belief' but rather 'identification of origin'.

    Also thought Hynek's comments about Quintanilla 'disregarding any evidence that was counter to his hypothesis' sounded a bit familiar and think he found himself in a rather tricky spot as a genuine scientist - did read that he once submitted a list of recommendations to make Bluebook UFO investigations far more rigourous and objective but it was completely ignored.

    Also relevant that you mention Paul Hynek mate as he was the one who digitally enhanced Chief Buchert's photo. :)


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