Ray Stanford and His Ever-Receding Claims of World-Shaking UFO Evidences

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  1. Justice Fodor

    Justice Fodor "Nobody wants justice." -- Alan Dershowitz

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    Science replaces private prejudice with public, verifiable evidence.” -- Richard Dawkins

    In our reasonings concerning matter of fact, there are all imaginable degrees of assurance, from the highest certainty to the lowest species of moral evidence. A wise man, therefore, proportions his belief to the evidence.” -- David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding

    AlienExpanse member humanoidlord on February 1, 2019 began a thread on the subject, "What happened to the UFO videos that Paul Bennewitz made?" The question referred to photographic images obtained by Bennewitz in 1979 in the vicinity of the Manzano nuclear weapons site in New Mexico, including extraordinary nighttime color images of color-shifting objects. Some of these very interesting images appear in an e-book by Christian P. Lambright, X Descending, published in 2011. I believe that this book is well worth acquiring and reading because it reproduces the Bennewitz color images, and because of Lambright's detailed discussion of the story behind the Bennewitz images.

    However, the other major focus of the Lambright book is a second set of images, derived from a super8mm movie said to have been taken by Ray Stanford in Corpus Christi, Texas, in October 1985. On humanoidlord's Bennewitz thread, someone immediately brought up the Stanford angle. Because of my interest in the Stanford story, I jumped in, and soon the Bennewitz thread was diverted completely away from the subject of the Bennewitz images. The Bennewitz images are important, and are really unrelated to the Stanford story, except by the happenstance that Lambright was interested in both and decided to cover them both in the same book. Therefore, I am starting this new thread to discuss, in a more coherent manner, the subject of the Ray Stanford Corpus Christi claims, some of the many other claims by Stanford to possess extraordinary UFO evidences, and some of the reasons to be skeptical of such claims by Stanford.

    The Bennewitz thread will now hopefully be allowed to return to its original topic. I will now repeat here everything I said in that earlier thread, and considerably more.

    In discussing the Stanford claims about the Corpus Christi video, I will refer mostly to things said or shown in Lambright's book, which is accessible to all through Amazon as an inexpensive e-book. I have also referred to a transcript of a lengthy interview with Stanford conducted by Chris O'Brien, in which Stanford gave his own detailed account of the Corpus Christi UFO incident. That interview has not been formally published, but it was once posted on another forum, captured by a friend, and called to my attention. I saw no exact date for that interview, but it was apparently part of a long series of phone interviews of Stanford conducted by O'Brien from 2002-2007, encompassing Stanford's version of his life story. Regarding this body of unpublished interviews, O'Brien wrote, "It's so far beyond unbelievable, it could only be true, IMO."

    Some of what follows is my opinion, but where I quote someone or refer to a specific event, I have documentation. I have uploaded a few documents of possible interest to some with this post, and may upload others if there is interest. There is a great deal of material to choose from, drawn from various private collections.

    Regarding the Corpus Christi movie, the core story is that in October 1985, Stanford and some others saw a parade of seven or eight UFOs in the Corpus Christi sky. Stanford says he captured four of these on super8mm film, using a 10x telephoto lens.

    A super8mm frame negative (the image surface) is about 5.8 mm by 4.0 mm (about 0.16 inch by 0.23 inch). The size of the UFO images on the film in this case are not known to me, but it is an important question.

    In early 1986 Lambright visited Stanford at his residence, and saw slides that Stanford said he made, or had made, from the super8 film. Lambright was impressed by what he saw. He saw "a small circular object . . ." that emitted from its leading surface some kind of energy spike, which Lambright referred to as "beam pulsing," for the speculated purpose of facilitating the object's progress through the atmosphere. Lambright refers to the object as a "beam ship." (See screen shot of the first two pages of his chapter titled "Beam Ship.") Lambright writes, "The most amazing aspect however, was the apparent effect of the beam on the air ahead. A subtle pattern appeared to fan out ahead of the oncoming disc."

    During another visit to Stanford in 2002, Lambright writes, "The latest computer enhanced images he [Stanford] had made from the film were far and away the most amazing yet."

    Stanford also has made bold claims for the Corpus Christi film. In the O'Brien interview transcript referred to earlier, apparently made between 2002 and 2007, Stanford said, "We also have evidence within this film of the existence of a dipolar magnetic field around the object [affecting] the atmosphere around and ahead of this object to the extent that I describe this film as being 'propulsion diagnostic'. At least for that type of UFO. What we have on that film, in my opinion (and in the opinion of aerospace engineers who have likewise examined images from the film) could explain how UFOs could travel at hypersonic speed and not produce a shock wave. I'll leave the details [of this analysis] for the time of the publication of this film and its analysis. All who have seen the Corpus Christi film think it is hands-down the best movie or video ever taken of authentic UFOs. It is in fact propulsion diagnostic."

    I do not suggest here that Lambright would agree with every part of that statement by Stanford, but Lambright's overall treatment of the Stanford images suggests that Lambright largely shares Stanford's assessments of what the images show and the importance of what they show. In addition, Lambright argues at length that a scientist-engineer named Leik Myrabo, who apparently saw the Stanford images in 1988, was thereby inspired to do a series of experiments, first publicized in 1994, on the concept of creating a "hypershock tunnel" in front of an aerial craft, referred to as an "air spike."

    It may have all happened just that way. It seems, however, that Lambright's considerable efforts to get Myrabo to publicly confirm this version of events were not very successful (Lambright spends many pages describing his efforts in this regard).

    But now we arrive at a most significant fact -- even though perhaps one-third of Lambright's book is devoted to the subject of Stanford's Corpus Christi UFO images and the events he thinks flowed from those images, the book itself contains absolutely no actual reproductions of photographic images from Stanford's film, whether "computer enhanced" or otherwise.

    Instead, the book contains four drawings, three of them in color. It appears that the artist was Lambright himself, although I think this is not explicitly stated. The matter becomes even more puzzling when the reader comes to understand that the artist did not create the drawings while viewing the illuminated slides: the caption on the page that contains three of the drawings says "These images are drawn from memory . . ." (See Lambright figure 12) That such a notation appears is a testament to Lambright's honesty, but it certainly increases the grounds for reservations about the claims made regarding the technological revelations said to be contained in the Stanford images.

    I am uploading screen shots of the pages from X Descending that contain the drawings of what Lambright thinks he remembers seeing in the slides. It is not clear to me how much Lambright drawings owe, if at all, to the unspecified computer enhancements produced by or for Stanford.

    I see no clear indication that Lambright ever possessed copies of the Corpus Christi UFO images, "computer enhanced" or otherwise. Presumably if he had possessed such slides, he would not have been working "from memory" when he produced the drawings for the book.

    I also have seen no real evidence, in the book or elsewhere, that the original super8 film itself has been examined by anyone with technical expertise, or even that the slides derived from the film have been subjected to expert examination and analysis (a process which could not be accomplished, of course, in the living room of Ray Stanford), at least not by anybody independent of Stanford. Also, I have seen no evidence that the super8 camera itself received independent expert examination, nor the 10x telephone lens. (In the O'Brien interview that I referred to, Stanford said this lens contained 22 glass elements-- elements which at one point during the UFO episode Stanford feared had actually come apart, before quickly concluding that this had not occurred.)

    The question here is not whether it is intrinsically plausible that UFOs may manipulate energy in some way that allows them to travel through an atmosphere without producing sonic booms. Speculation and technical discussion of that question appeared long ago in the book Unconventional Flying Objects by former NASA scientist Paul R. Hill, and elsewhere. But what we are discussing here are the specific claims that Ray Stanford took a movie in 1985 that recorded an energy spike associated with such a function.

    In the book, Lambright reproduces illustrations that depict aspects of Myrabo's experiments (see Lambright figure 14). There is a similarity between what is shown in the illustrations of this "air spike" research and the Lambright from-memory drawings. This would be of greater interest if we had the actual Stanford photographic images (unenhanced) to compare with the illustrations associated with the Myrabo "air spike" research.

    So, what do we have? We have been told about, but we have not seen, photographic images of a UFO and an associated energy field, of which Stanford says, "All who have seen the Corpus Christi film think it is hands-down the best movie or video ever taken of authentic UFOs." A major thesis of Lambright's book is that the Stanford Corpus Christi images were responsible for a "major aerospace propulsion breakthrough."

    It seems to me that to accept these assessments requires taking a great deal on trust -- trust in the detailed narrative of Ray Stanford, trust in the processes by which the images Lambright saw were initially created and later copied and/or manipulated (including the unknown computer enhancements of some images); faith that the very detailed drawings made "from memory" closely reflect what was actually captured on the little super8mm frames; and unskeptical acceptance of the specific interpretations placed on the images, first by Stanford and then by Lambright, regarding the nature and purpose of the faint "spike" or "girded tower" (Stanford's term) that they see in front of the object.

    Are these multiple leaps of faith warranted? I do not know Christian Lambright, but I understand that he has a reputation for honesty. I see nothing in the book that leads me to think otherwise. Of course, that does not mean that his judgment or extrapolations on this specific matter cannot be questioned.

    Regarding Stanford, Lambright writes that he made his own assessment, based on what he refers to as his personal intuition or a "bullshit meter," that Stanford is credible on UFO-related matters. On that point, I believe that far more skepticism is in order. The Stanford "beam ship" claims are part of a much bigger picture. Stanford has a long history of getting a lot of mileage out of extraordinary UFO evidence claims, while avoiding having his supposedly world-shaking evidences subjected to serious critical scrutiny. Stanford's handling of the 1985 Corpus Christi movie is consistent with this pattern.

    The Corpus Christi film was shot over 33 years ago. In his interview with Chris O'Brien, conducted more than 10 years ago, Stanford said, "I'll leave the details [of this analysis] for the time of the publication of this film and its analysis." Lambright writes, "For as long as I've known him I have encouraged Ray to reveal is films for everyone to see . . ." At another point Lambright writes, "The facts reveal a profound truth that everyone deserves to know. It is a point I have tried very hard to impress on Ray in encouraging him to reveal his film. As much work as he has invested in substantiating this phenomenon, and as strongly as I have sensed that he wants to validate his work, his seemingly passive attitude at times has been very confusing."

    Despite such prodding by Lambright and other Stanford believers, no such disclosure has occurred.

    This does not surprise me. Over a period of 40 years and more, Stanford has made quite a number of public claims to have obtained extraordinary UFO data, involving an unknown but large number of supposedly independent UFO events experienced by Stanford: movies, still images, magnetic recordings, beam effects, et cetera. Stanford also has made many successive promises that various evidences would be subjected to expert analysis and made public, but the fulfillment of these promises has been ever receding. Disclosure day never arrives. The reasons for delays are ever shifting. In recent years, it has been said that Stanford was awaiting a better book deal. It was suggested he was holding back because his feelings were hurt that somebody questioned his background or credibility. In a recent radio interview, Stanford even claimed that his reluctance in releasing important UFO evidence was because he thought it might hurt "national security." Some claims seem to have just been quietly dropped, to be replaced by new amazing claims.

    Stanford has claimed to have shot a movie in about 1978 or 1979 I think, from an airliner, of a huge mother ship, with smaller craft going in and out. Stanford wrote a book claiming to have obtained metal scrapings from the very landing gear of the egg-shaped object seen by policeman Lonnie Zamora at Socorro, New Mexico in 1964 -- material that Stanford claims was tested and found to be not of terrestrial origin, but then stolen by the government -- a version of events sharply disputed by others involved, including the greatly respected researcher and author Richard H. Hall.

    Stanford also took a photo in 1964 at the site of the Zamora event, that Stanford later "discovered" contains small images of four UFOs, two of them egg shaped like the object Zamora saw. Here is how that image was described by Stanford believer Chris O'Brien on another forum: "The photo was take some months after the [1964] Soccoro incident and in the foreground is the dynamite shack that was located near the landing site. Off in the distance, at the edge of the photo, just above the horizon, are four small dots that Ray had never noticed before. When they are blown up in size, two of the dots look exactly like the Soccoro object -- one even has its landing legs extended." I am not aware that this remarkable photo taken of egg-shaped flying objects at Socorro in 1964 has ever been published. I ask myself whether the Stanford-O'Brien interpretation of the photo would stand up under forensic examination -- but then I remind myself of the O'Brien operating premise, "It's so far beyond unbelievable, it could only be true."

    There is much documentation regarding Stanford's long history of making many claims pertaining to UFOs and occupants of UFOs that are, to put it mildly, unsubstantiated. Many have heard something about Stanford being active in the "contactee" culture in the 1950s, associated with the likes of George Adamski and George Hunt Williamson. Some have seen his 1958 book Look Up, about his amazing contacts with "Space Brothers." Stanford has taken considerable pains in various interviews to dismiss all of those 1950's writings as youthful misinterpretations.

    Yet, grand but unsubstantiated UFO-related claims by Stanford continued long after the Adamski period -- in fact, they have never stopped. For example, in material published in the 1970's, Stanford, supposedly while in a trance, "channeled" long discourses from members of the "White Brotherhood" including "Aramda," a member of a race of extraterrestrials known as "The Watchers." These "White Brothers" strongly promoted various Stanford-centered projects, including "Project Starlight International," which Stanford put forward to the general public as a purely scientific effort to obtain hard data on UFOs.

    I will upload PDF images of two newsletters that a nonprofit organization centered on Stanford (the long-defunct "Association for the Understanding of Man," AUM) put out in 1978, when Stanford was 40 years old. Both of these newsletters contained explicit claims, written by Stanford and appearing over Stanford's actual signatures, that Stanford had obtained instrumented UFO data of great import that would be analyzed and published soon. The AUM newsletter number 18 (September 29, 1978), written and signed by Stanford, speaks (on pages 4 and 5) of forthcoming publication of instrumented data from FIVE UFO events that "MAY THROW CONSIDERABLE LIGHT ON SUCH QUESTIONS AS HOW ADVANCED A TECHNOLOGY IS INVOLVED AND WHAT PHYSICAL STATES ARE UTILIZED FOR PROPULSION AND MANEUVERS." (The capitals are in the original.)

    Again, this was in 1978, forty years ago. Has anyone seen the evidence referred to?

    [The same newsletter, pages 6 through 13, contains a long speech to the organization's members and donors by "Jeshua," identified as "the Lord" (Jesus Christ), speaking to the group through the vocal cords of the entranced Ray Stanford. Some will find it a fascinating read.]

    The AUM newsletter number 19 (November 17, 1978), written and signed by Stanford, speaks of ongoing preparation to publish, in both an in-house publication and in "scientific and technical journals," UFO evidence that "will, in my opinion, demonstrate rather conclusively that highly advanced technological devices, not of earthly origin visited this world last December and, again, in July 1978. Because of the support you each have shown, this in-depth Journal will be sent to you as soon as it comes from the printer."

    I am not aware that any such publications ever actually appeared. Have any of you seen this world-shaking evidence?

    There are boxes full of similar material by and about Stanford from that period available in certain private collections. I have read a good deal of it. (I have uploaded here an interview with Stanford published in Psychic magazine in 1974 which contains additional UFO material that may be of interest.) I find much of this material is difficult to reconcile with UFO-related narrative and personal history that Stanford has put out in various forums and interviews in more recent years.

    Returning to the subject of the Corpus Christi movie: It is my opinion that none of the Stanford photos appear in Lambright's book, because Stanford fears subjecting the Corpus Christi images and his bold claims about them to serious critical examination and commentary. My premise would be that the same applies to the 1978-79 mother ship movie, the Socorro flying egg photo, the amazing evidences spoken of in the 1978 AUM newsletters, and other such claims. I am mentioning here just a few examples from a much longer list of UFO-related claims by Ray Stanford, some of which might be the subject of future discussion.

    I will close here by stating my personal conclusion: Any claims by Ray Stanford to possess UFO photos, films, or other physical evidence should be disregarded, unless and until the original non-enhanced images and other pertinent data are made available for examination and analysis by persons with genuine expertise -- persons who are demonstrably independent of Stanford. After that, the images and analyses should be made public. This would make it possible to evaluate the Corpus Christi images (or any of the other extraordinary UFO evidences that Stanford has claimed to possess) in the light of all factors. Stanford's personal testimony and interpretations would be one factor that all could consider in evaluating such now-public evidence -- but in my view, any photo or other physical evidence must stand on its own two feet, independent of any reliance on Stanford's objectivity or personal credibility on these matters.

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  2. pigfarmer

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    Agreed - and nicely done
     
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  3. Justice Fodor

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    I am encouraged to post some additional documents. Initially, I have chosen four. These are scans from pages of four issues of the Journal of the Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM), a nonprofit organization that was centered around Ray Stanford in the 1970's. These selections all deal at least in part with UFO-related subjects. They date from 1973-1976, when Stanford was in his mid-to-late 30's. Most of the pages are taken up by transcripts of discourses given by Stanford from some kind of trance state, in which he was supposedly unconscious of what he was saying. These trance-speaking discourses were referred to as "readings."

    These trance discourses fell into two types.

    The first type consisted of "channeled" discourses from members of the "White Brotherhood," which as I understand it, is considered to be some sort of league of super-spiritual adepts, operating from many different realms, including extraterrestrials. Among those "channeled" by Stanford were the Aramda the extraterrestrial "Watcher," the Archangel Michael, and many others, including at times Jesus Christ (referred to by the Hebrew name "Jeshua").

    The second type of discourses were attributed to "the Source of the Readings," or "the Source" for short. This was defined in the AUM literature as "the unconscious and superconscious mind and spiritual being of Stanford in contact with same of any person or persons or with any area of knowledge towards which directed by suggestion." It appears that the operations of the entire organization were guided by Stanford through these trance discourses, including the organization's "Project Starlight International," which was presented to the public during that era, and is presented by Stanford in more recent narratives, as a hard-headed scientific enterprise.
     
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  4. Justice Fodor

    Justice Fodor "Nobody wants justice." -- Alan Dershowitz

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    By the way, for those who prefer private communication on this subject, my email address is my first name, followed by a single underscore, followed by my last name, @protonmail.com
     
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    Chris O'Brien claimed to have seen all of Ray's photos. He told me they would be made public when "properly vetted"
     
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    I guess we'll have to wait for Jeshua to show back up again so he can vouch for Ray's film
     
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    The public will never see those UFO photos in Stanford’s lifetime. That has been painfully obvious. The only way those pics will see the light of day is if Stanford doesn’t destroy them first and wills them to a party who will release them to the public. I’m not holding my breath on that scenario.
     
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    I'm a lot more interested in Ray's time machine than any pictures of flying saucers he may have. Just sayin'.
     
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    very unlikely, the san luis valley is a permanent "ufo road", just like the east coast
     
  12. Justice Fodor

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    "I'm a lot more interested in Ray [Stanford]'s time machine than any pictures of flying saucers he may have." -- Double Nought Spy, in comment above.

    Ray Stanford and His Super-Power-Inducing Time Machine
    (AKA "The Hilaron Accelerator")


    Many readers may be puzzled by the reference above to Ray Stanford being associated with a "time machine." They may say to themselves, "Surely Ray Stanford, who has claimed status as a pioneer of 'scientific' UFO research, never promoted the concept of building a time machine . . . did he?"

    Well, yes, actually Ray Stanford did actively promote construction of a large device, which he called the "Hilaron Accelerator" (or just "the Accelerator"), that he said would grant some humans various super powers, including the power to travel in time. Stanford promoted this concept personally and through at least two different organizations, from about 1960 to at least as late as 1976, when he was 37 years old. He made appeals for funds to pursue this project, which he estimated in 1974 would cost $1.25 to $3 million.

    Stanford described the Hilaron Accelerator as a chamber that would be energized in a manner that would, according to Stanford and his usually invisible spirit guides, induce in a human occupant truly astonishing super-psychic powers. Among these would be, for some individuals, the capacity "not only to relocate the body in space [teleport], but to relocate that body, mind, and consciousness in time." Stanford said in one lecture, “He [the occupant] would begin to glow. His body would disappear instantly or fade out . . . [and he would] to walk the sands of ancient Egypt 5,000 years ago. . . . he will materialize a physical body in ancient Egypt.”

    When somebody raised this issue on an internet listserv in 1999, Stanford responded with partially false statements that are contradicted by the documented record.

    In order to explain more fully, I must first give further background information.

    The Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM) was a nonprofit organization based in Austin, Texas, during the 1970's. (There was an earlier short-lived entity with a similar name in Arizona, also associated with Stanford, but I will refer here only to the Austin-based nonprofit of the 1970's.) Stanford was sometimes referred to in the AUM literature as a "research psychic" on the staff, but whatever the exact technical legal arrangement of this tax-exempt entity, it is pretty clear from reading the AUM literature and other evidence that the entire organization was centered on Stanford and his psychic readings. He was calling the main shots -- directly and through authoritative direction given through the in-trance discourses. These "readings" emanated from Stanford while he was said to be in an "unconscious state." The discourses were attributed to "the Brothers" (members of the "White Brotherhood" of spiritual adepts) or the "Source" (AKA "the Source of the Readings," the supermind of Stanford's soul or some such -- see the official AUM definition in my earlier post).

    AUM published a thick journal several times a year, periodic newsletters, and a number of books. The bulk of the journal content consisted of transcripts of trance messages ("readings") from the "Brothers" and "the Source," by way of Ray Stanford's vocal cords, on lots of different topics, but especially on various projects that would have world-shaking effects, once fulfilled. Fulfillment was generally presented in being within a fairly short time frame -- a few years or less -- if sufficient support was forthcoming, etc.

    Among its other activities, AUM sponsored summer conferences for members, held in Austin from 1973 until at least 1979. Some summers there were two such conferences, other summers only one. Attendees at these conferences heard lectures by Stanford, other AUM employees, and guest speakers.

    In addition, conference attendees participated in "conference readings," which occurred in a church-in-the-round in Austin. As described, Stanford laid down in the middle of the room, went into an ostensible unconscious state, and channeled long discourses from "the Brothers" and "the Source" on world events to come, alien visitations to Earth, the world saving importance of the various Stanford/AUM projects, and many other subjects. (Occasionally, for discourses from important "Brothers," Stanford remained seated in a lotus position, but still supposedly unaware of what was being said.) According to contemporary accounts, these discourses sometimes continued without interruption for two hours or more. Transcripts of most of these "conference readings" were subsequently published in the AUM Journal.

    For a number of years, many of these conference talks and "conference readings" also were sold on tape cassettes, some of which have survived in private collections. I believe that some of Stanford's current associates would be shocked to hear some of the claims and notions that Stanford put forward in these recordings.

    Now, to return to the story of the "Hilaron Accelerator." I do not think I have put together every chapter of the saga of the Accelerator, but there is ample information in the published documents and tape recordings, which I will now summarize.

    In his 1974 interview with Psychic magazine (uploaded above), Stanford said that in 1957 he "began to go into a semi-conscious state [in which] a number of entities came through who called themselves Brothers." In 1960 he started channeling from the ostensibly fully unconscious state. From 1960 on, many of the "readings" were attributed to "the Source of the Readings," considered to be Stanford's own higher self, but others continued to be attributed to various "Brothers" (each of whom is heard, on the cassettes, speaking with different accents and inflections).

    "The Hilaron Accelerator" apparently was a concept that emerged in some of the earliest readings, around 1960. The design was credited to a "Brother" named Hilarion (note the difference in spelling). I didn't find much about this Hilarion character, but in the Psychic interview (page 9) Stanford said that on April 13, 1961, a "Brother" "materialized physically in a brightly lit lighted room," that he was "over seven feet tall," "was actually glowing," and was accompanied by "a globe of light about eighteen inches in diameter [that] hovered near the ceiling, glowing a diffused white-blue light." In an 1974 lecture, Stanford said that this materialized Brother was in fact Hilarion, that he "materialized" in a "physical body," was "eight feet tall," and wore a pointed helmet. Also, "His body glowed like Moses."

    Anyway, the Accelerator was to be a big metal chamber, once described by Stanford as looking like "a great big polished copper medicine capsule," on the order of 25 feet long, with an attached control room. The idea was that if one charged the chamber walls with 1 to 3 million volts, it would create an "electro-static field," and if the right kind of person sat or laid inside the chamber while it was charged, that person's psychic powers would get a huge boost, permitting super-clairvoyance, teleportation, and even the ability to physically travel back in time. It would be, Stanford said, "a device that in many respects is similar to a UFO."

    In one lecture, Stanford said that the group he'd been associated with in 1960 had actually obtained a piece of land on which they intended to build the device, only to be blocked by opposition from local Baptists.

    Now, let's stop here for a moment and fast forward to 1999 -- when somebody was impolite enough to bring up this time-machine business on an internet listserv devoted to dinosaur-related issues, along with some other sticky issues related to Stanford's AUM period. Stanford reacted as he often does when such issues are raised -- he attacked those raising the questions (who, as near as I can tell, were promptly kicked off the listserv), and he offered a short defense regarding the "time machine."

    Stanford's defense was to claim that AUM “NEVER, EVER collected any money to build the ‘Time Machine’ . . . I often cautioned persons that the ‘Accelerator’ was possibly an unconsciously [sic] contrivance of my mind. . . . I was 22 years of age when that stuff ‘came through’ and I’m now 60.”

    Unfortunately, these words by Stanford are contradicted by his own recorded words from the mid-1970s.

    It is true that at the time of the initial Brother-messages that Stanford said pushed for construction of the Accelerator, in or about 1960, he would have been about 22 years old. But the Accelerator concept was heavily promoted in many pieces of official AUM literature published from 1973 until 1976, and by Stanford himself in speeches and written material.

    In a glossy AUM promotional booklet first published in 1973, apparently intended to attract members and donors to support the work of the nonprofit organization, said: “Plans for the Project Starlight laboratory building include the installation of a high-energy field-effect research device capable of isolating research subjects from most outside electromagnetic frequencies and also of surrounding the subject in an electro-static field of perhaps as much as three million volts, while generating still other fields inside the controlled-environment device. The research facility will become part of a continuing program researching the relationships of matter, energy, space, time, and consciousness.”

    Stanford (at age 36) also discussed the Accelerator at some length in his 1974 interview with Psychic magazine, which I uploaded above. Stanford said:

    They [the Brothers] told us how to build a complicated research device. We took this data to two engineers who said they could not see how some of the required engineering features could possibly be accomplished. But then the Brothers came through with additional information which the engineers thought was fantastic. Now it looks like, the time is coming very soon when we can actually build a laboratory and start researching this device , which might be able to enhance psychic and healing abilities considerably. The device would isolate a person from outside electromagnetic impulses while enclosing him in a very high-energy electrostatic field. The Brothers say that the effect achieved would be very much like that which happened to Moses on top of Mount Sinai. They say that the "Pillar of Fire" that Moses saw was actually a technological device from an advanced civilization. Moses was warned to hide himself in the cleft of a rock when the "Glory of the Lord" approached. If a spaceship were to pass over Mount Sinai with a three million volt electrostatic charge on its surface, any person standing there would act like a lightning rod. So Moses hid in the cleft of the rock. Remember that when he came down after forty days he was glowing. Physically the only thing that could have caused it was that the major electrolyte of the body, ATP (adenosine triphosphate), was energized. This is one of the things that we hope to do in this device-- energize the ATP and enhance the process of consciousness.​

    The Psychic magazine interviewer then asked, "When do you plan to have this device built?" Stanford answered: "Fortunately the Association for the Understanding of Man (A.U.M.) now has the land and we're beginning sometime early this year to build the laboratory. Tied in with this work is our Project Starlight International (P.S.I.) for detecting UFOs. . . ."

    In the same issue of the magazine, AUM purchased a full-page ad to solicit new members, which said that AUM "is building high-energy-field research equipment and a laboratory for studying the relationships of matter, energy, space, time, and consciousness." You can see the ad yourself on the final page of the PDF of the pages from the April 1974 issue of Psychic.

    In addition, the Accelerator was heavily promoted by "the Brothers" and "the Source" in various Stanford psychic readings during the period of 1973-1976 -- for example, see the August 9, 1974 conference-reading discourse by "Brother Lanto," found on pages 23-28 of AUM Journal Vol. 3 No. 1, uploaded above. ("Lanto" again associated the device with Brother Hilarion, "whose influence has been major on the design at the higher level of that device.") Certainly, those who supported the organization through donations or dues had every reason to believe that their financial support was advancing, among other things, this wondrous Accelerator project.

    Furthermore, the elevated spiritual voices channeled by Stanford insisted that the Accelerator project was important to the entire human race. In a "conference reading" that Stanford delivered on August 23, 1974, published in AUM Journal Vol. 3 No. 2 (not uploaded, yet), the "Source" said that the Accelerator:

    where it is made a physical reality and put into operation . . . will aid in the conscious awarenesses toward the assimilation of the barrage of new data from outside the Earth, from within the Earth, and from within individuals, that will be reaching you. That device, which is influenced under guidance by those from beyond the Earth [extraterrestrials] and by some of those who have overcome the Earth [the "Brothers"], in a sense is as a beginning influence toward the integration of spirit, mind and body. . . . In other words, the project, if fulfilled through the willingness and love of those who would support such activities [i.e., donations], is to bring not only a psychical, catalytic influence to the entire world, but to allow the breakthrough, under controlled and repeatable conditions, of the demonstration of the superiority of spirit to mind, and of mind to the material, under laboratory conditions . . . of the capacity of spirit, mind, and body to transcend body, mind, and time itself, and to travel not only space but time.​

    On August 24, 1974, Stanford gave an entire lecture titled "Space, Time, Fields, the Accelerator, and AUM" at one of the AUM membership conferences. I have a copy of this tape, and I have listened to it. It contains many remarkable statements. However, I do not have time right now to transcribe the whole lecture, which goes on for more than an hour. Stanford called the Accelerator project "one of the most important projects in which we will ever engage." Contrary to Stanford's 1999 disavowal, during this lecture, Stanford made at least two appeals for financial support for the Accelerator project, which he estimated would cost from $1.25 to $3 million. At one point he even said that he could be giving his psychic readings from within the Accelerator at future AUM conferences, even within a year or two, "depending on when the funds come in." (He gave another similar talk at a 1975 AUM membership conference.)

    So, you may ask, what happened when AUM actually built the Accelerator/time machine? If you've been reading this thread carefully, I bet the answer won't surprise you: No such device was ever built. Not even started, apparently. (Sorry to disappoint you, Double Nought Spy.)

    You may ask, didn't those the AUM members and donors complain about that? I don't know, maybe some did. But it is very clear from going through the AUM/P.S.I. publications (and the cassette lectures, etc.) chronologically, that Stanford (and "the Brothers" and "the Source") during those years were always promoting more than one world-shaking project at any given time -- establishing open contact with alien visitors; uncovering Imhotep's tomb and Essene scrolls (those discoveries that would prevent a terrible war in the Middle East); spreading the proper Ray Stanford interpretation of certain apparitions of the Virgin Mary; and more.

    These projects all had just one thing in common -- Ray Stanford was the super-hero of each story. One "reading" said he had first incarnated on Earth "more than 40,000 years ago, and every incarnation has been pointing to the present time, to the fulfillment of an opportunity . . ." See AUM Journal Vol. 3, No. 4, p. 68 (uploaded above).

    But the payoff days somehow never arrived. Aliens did not emerge from landed craft to greet Stanford at the Project Starlight facility. The tomb of Imhotep and the Essence scrolls were not uncovered. The imminent world catastrophes predicted in Stanford's psychic readings did not occur.

    As for the Accelerator, it looks like it just quietly slid off the list of immediate priorities. Remarkably, the guidance from "the Brothers" and "the Source," and even from "Jeshua" (Jesus Christ), seems to have consistently ratified such lurches in the Stanford agenda of grand missions. Funny how that works.

    In the AUM newsletter dated April 2, 1976, Stanford revealed that the Accelerator project was "a low priority simply because it is not practical to pursue it at this time. I realize I’ve made some over-optimistic statements in the past about how soon we could undertake this project, but the fact is that it may take several million dollars and a number of top-grade professionals to really get that project underway, and it doesn't appear likely that we'll have such research available until the Association's work is far better known than it is now."

    So, the Accelerator was still on his to-do list, but would have to wait awhile longer, until . . .later.

    Ray Stanford wrote that newsletter when he was 37 years old. He's 80 now.

    -- Justice Fodor
     
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  13. Justice Fodor

    Justice Fodor "Nobody wants justice." -- Alan Dershowitz

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    Ray Stanford's 1980 claim to have obtained 8 color movies of UFOs
    from November 1977 through March 1980


    Getting back to UFOs:

    Project Starlight International (P.S.I.) was a designation for certain of the AUM/Stanford activities; as near as I can make out, it had no separate legal existence. There are a number of press releases, newsletters, and so forth that were issued under a P.S.I. logo. Some of these were intended for a general audience or for the news media, and some directed more to the ufological community. The Stanford psychic readings and their content were never referred to in the P.S.I. logo material that we have seen. But P.S.I. was heavily promoted in the Stanford trance discourses that guided the overall work of AUM, and samples of that guidance can be seen in the scanned excepts from four AUM journals that I uploaded earlier.)

    I found the fundraising letter I have uploaded here, sent on the letterhead of Project Starlight International (P.S.I.) in April, 1980, signed by "Ray Stanford, Director."

    Among the claims set forth in this three-page letter:

    "From November 1977 through March 1980, the project [Project Starlight International] has successfully obtained eight color motion-picture films of UFOs: Three of them from jet airliners in daylight; one from a jet airliner at night; and four more from the ground in daylight."

    "Daylight color motion-picture footage of UFOs with object motion between, behind, and beyond clouds, and UFOs with their shadows on clouds beneath have been obtained. Also, we have taken motion picture footages which could be interpreted as suggestive of magnetohydrodynamic and/or other propulsive effects of plasma motion upon structured objects. The former are included in a group of eight motion-picture films P.S.I. has taken and is now studying -- three from aircraft in daylight, one from an aircraft at night, and the other four from the ground. The study is necessarily slow and very expensive. Thousands of dollars have already been spent in studying just the first of the eight films alone, and that study is as yet incomplete and is still revealing interesting data."​

    "UFO research has proved the need to proceed slowly and with utmost caution in order to insure reliable conclusions. Also, the costs of P.S.I.'s high technology and of its data analyses are ever increasing. Therefore, with this short report I wish to encourage any and all contributions of whatever size to this research. My promise is that our findings will be presented in respectable publications as soon as funds, data reduction, analysis, and publication schedules permit. You can help prevent waiting two years more (or even longer) by helping right now to finance this crucial state of the work."​

    So, does anybody out there know: Have any of these claimed EIGHT "color motion-picture films of UFOs" been examined by technically competent experts independent of Stanford, and made public?

    Have any of them been made public at all?

    Is anybody keeping count?

    -- Justice Fodor
     

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  14. Double Nought Spy

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    Zounds! That is some impressive research. Very well presented too. Thank you for posting this. I was aware of a fair bit of this, but never bothered to chase down the details. Interesting stuff.

    There have, of course, been some extraordinary claims about Ray's Evidence made by people other than Ray. The only such claims I am familiar with are those made by Chris O'Brien some years ago. I would hope Ray would share his hoard of incontrovertible evidence while he is still around to, um, interpret it for us. As I recall (and I could be wrong of course) O'Brien finally shared a single photo of Ray's that was intended to shut all us doubters up for a while. I recall being rather underwhelmed by it. I don't think it's on O'Brien's site any longer. This makes me suspect that much of Ray's Evidence might require some splainin' to us unwashed.
     
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  15. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    hilarion = hilarious
    coincidence? i think not
    jesus christ! its way worse than i thought, i first heard of this guy late last year and thought that he was just another guy trying to do the impossible (ie solve the UFO phenomena) but now it looks like he was much more like a scientology-esque cult leader!
     
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    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    do you remenber anything about it?
    simple details i mean
     
  17. Double Nought Spy

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    There was an awful lot of that sort of thing going on back then. I recall being aware of some of it at the time, but I'm always learning about people and outfits I had never heard of.
     
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    Seems like it was an ordinary snapshot with a fairly blurry something-or-other that might have been a ship full of Space Brothers. Or not. Definitely low-res and not impressive, as I recall.

    The whole issue of Ray's Evidence erupted on the Paracast Forum all too frequently. I was involved in the first round, and that was enough. I'm sure it's all still there, since it doesn't have anything to do with Steinberg's panhandling. The photo could be there. Round One got started soon after O'Brien became co-host, about ten years ago. I think the photo showed up during Round Two or maybe Three.
     
  19. humanoidlord

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    indeed there was, but seeing one of them trying to hide the past is a bit disturbing
     
  20. humanoidlord

    humanoidlord ce3 researcher

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    a BLURFO?
    probally a bird then, lol
    i don't want to visit that slime bag website again, i hope someone could do the research for us
     

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