Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
Ray Stanford Close-Up No. 9:
Stanford Swipes at His Critics; Plus Alien Fingers,
"A Major Government Operation," and
the Stanford-Goddard-NASA Connection

On March 8, 2019, Ray Stanford was interviewed on a radio/podcast program called UFO Classified. The program, associated with KCOR Digital Radio Network, is hosted by Erica Lukes, who is identified elsewhere as the head of an organization called "Unexplained Utah."

The March 8 podcast, which may be accessed or downloaded here, is about 90 minutes long. Stanford was afforded completely indulgent treatment from Lukes, who repeatedly gushed that Stanford was "a legend"; she offered no challenge whatever even to Stanford claims that diverged far from the well-documented record. This is the usual pattern with interviews of Stanford -- he greatly prefers admiring, deferential questioners, most of whom accept his stories with wide-eyed amazement and no apparent attempt at independent verification of anything. Stanford studiously avoids subjecting himself to well-informed and skeptical questioners. When he encounters even a modest amount of push back, such as he received from Walter Bosley during a March 8, 2009 Radio Mysterioso interview (which I previously wrote about here), he generally handles it poorly. I again recommend that anyone with a serious interest in the Stanford UFO-evidence claims listen to the March 8, 2009 Radio Mysterioso interview, or at least the excerpt that I posted, to see how Stanford reacts when his "facts" encounter even a modest measure of well-informed skepticism.

Much of the UFO Classified interview is devoted to semi-rants in which Stanford disparages pretty much every variant of UFO investigation as useless and irrelevant, when considered in light of the massive trove of UFO evidence that he claims to possess. For example, he dismisses the military UFO videos released through the To the Stars Academy in 2017 ("I'm not impressed," "It is almost a joke," "I laugh at this stuff"). MUFON he characterizes as "basically a mole hole." The interviewing of UFO witnesses, and UFO field investigations generally, he pronounces to be of little value, with narrow exceptions. Those UFO researchers who fail to petition him for a viewing of his private collection will "waste decades" by their failure to receive the revelations that only Ray Stanford can impart. "I need Nobel-laureate-level minds to come here [to my home]," he said. If you think I may be mischaracterizing what he said, please listen to the entire program.

During the Lukes interview, Stanford made some remarks about subjects that I have touched on in past posts in the "Ray Stanford Close-Ups" series. I will now comment on some of these.


In the UFO Classified interview, Stanford never refers explicitly to this series of "Ray Stanford Close-Up" posts, but on several occasions he does so obliquely. Referring to unnamed critics, he rattles off a series of vague complaints, such as "they can make up all kinds of stuff," "they are not being honest," and "they take things out of context."

However, any reader of this series of "Close Ups" will find that what I have written is based almost entirely on public statements and published writings by Stanford himself, along with documented narratives regarding some of his past activities. Everything is based on and backed up by documents and audio recordings, many of which I have uploaded with my posts (although I have barely scratched the surface of the material available).

Rather than taking things "out of context," I am putting Stanford's current extraordinary UFO-evidence claims into context -- the context of Stanford spending 60 years or so making remarkable UFO-evidence claims that have not been subjected to critical scrutiny, or that have been convincingly refuted or abandoned -- as well as innumerable specific public promises that have not been fulfilled.

Despite Stanford's statement, "They can make up all kinds of things up," during the entire 90-minute interview, he directly disputes only one of the factual statements that I have made in the first eight "Ray Stanford Close-Up" posts. At about one hour and eleven minutes into the program, Stanford disputes that he had tried to raise money to build a time machine; he asserts that this claim was based on his engaging in "a bit of joking with somebody in [an audience]."

This defensive claim by Stanford is demonstrably and utterly false. As I have documented in detail in Ray Stanford Close-Up No. 2, Ray Stanford and His Super-Power-Inducing Time Machine (AKA "The Hilaron Accelerator"), for about 15 years, Stanford intermittently but most seriously promoted a scheme to build the "Hilaron Accelerator," a device which he attributed to the "White Brothers" (ostensibly elevated spiritual beings, speaking through the entranced Stanford), beginning in 1960. Stanford repeatedly claimed that the Accelerator would confer "super-person" (Stanford's term) powers on suitable individuals (such as Stanford himself), including the ability to travel in time (and teleport in space).

Stanford gave an entire lecture promoting the "the Accelerator" project at a conference of the Association for the Understanding of Man (A.U.M.) on August 24, 1974, titled "Space, Time, Fields, the Accelerator, and A.U.M." In this lecture, Stanford made many incredible claims about the powers that would be conferred by the Accelerator. I quoted some of those statements the Close-Up No. 2 post linked above. During the lecture, Stanford made several appeals for financial support for the Accelerator project, which he estimated would cost from $1.25 to $3 million. At one point he even said that he could be giving his psychic readings from within the Accelerator at future A.U.M. conferences, even within a year or two, "depending on when the funds come in." Stanford's tone throughout the lecture was in dead earnest -- he was an evangelist for the Accelerator.

For educational and journalistic purposes, I am uploading here a four-minute excerpt from Stanford's lecture, in which Stanford twice referred to the need for funding (and these were not the only such appeals). You will also hear Stanford tell the assembled believers, "The Brothers [members of the White Brotherhood] have suggested to us that this Accelerator project is one of the most important projects upon which we could engage."

It was not until an A.U.M. newsletter dated April 2, 1976, that Stanford (age 37) sidetracked the Accelerator project, and he did so on grounds that there were not yet adequate funds available ("the fact is that it may take several million dollars and a number of top-grade professionals to really get that project underway").

It is quite understandable that Stanford is now embarrassed that intermittently over a period of about 15 years, he promoted construction of (and repeatedly solicited funds to build) a machine that would confer "super-person" powers, including the ability to travel in time. But this does not excuse Stanford's repeated denials -- nor are such denials particularly smart, since anyone who cares to look into it can hear Stanford's new lie refuted by his own words, as recorded in 1974 and in 1976.


In the UFO Classified interview, Stanford speaks very briefly about his years as a trance-psychic (which extended to at least age 40), suggesting that he was never entirely sold on the validity of his trance discourses. Maybe not, but for the best part of a decade he drew his pay from the Association for the Understanding of Man, the publications of which consisted mostly of Stanford's trance-delivered "psychic readings." In these trance discourses, the spiritual commandos of the "White Brotherhood," along with Stanford's "superconscious mind" ("the Source"), excited the organization's members and donors with promises of contact with visiting aliens through the work of Project Starlight International, archeological discoveries that would alter the course of world events, construction of the time machine, and several other grandiose projects -- Ray Stanford being the savior at the center of each of these world-shaking endeavors (none of which, of course, actually came to fruition in the real world).

Stanford's long role as a psychic oracle are pertinent to evaluation of his current UFO claims for several reasons. For one thing, Stanford has for decades portrayed Project Starlight International as a groundbreaking, hard-headed scientific enterprise -- but he has taken pains to conceal that the enterprise was inspired and actively guided in part by an ostensible UFO-riding extraterrestrial, Aramda of The Watchers, who spoke through the "unconscious" Stanford, as documented here. Be sure to check out the audio clip from a lecture (not a psychic reading) delivered by Stanford on August 23, 1974, in which Stanford spoke of his association with Aramda going back 40,000 years. It seems that Stanford and Aramda were associates in Telos, a colony of Lemuria, when "a gigantic craft -- and I remember well the scene, and how it appeared -- a gigantic craft, probably at least 200 feet tall . . .landed at Telos." Stanford, age 36, made these claims in front of the A.U.M. members and donors while wide awake.

Stanford has also long failed to acknowledge that those involved in Project Starlight International were told by "the Source" that they would make direct contact ("if you persist") with aliens in landed spacecraft, as documented here. "The Source" even provided specific guidance that only Stanford and his then-wife should make the direct approach when the spacecraft door opened.


In the UFO Classified interview, Stanford spends a good deal of time talking about a complicated UFO event that he claims to have witnessed from outside his then-home in Austin, Texas, on October 15, 1984. (From the details, it is clear that this is the same event to which Stanford repeatedly referred in his 2009 interview on Radio Misterioso -- but in the 2009 interview he gave the date as "October 15, 1954," which had puzzled me.)

According to the story, Stanford saw a "mother ship" at a distant he later determined to be 90 miles, of which he took a movie. After running out of movie film, Stanford started shooting 35mm still shots with a 12x telephoto lens. There were smaller objects operating in conjunction with the mother ship, one of which he says suddenly darted to within about one mile of Stanford's position. Somehow, according to Stanford, this entire 90-mile shift was captured on a single 35mm still-camera image! Even more amazing, Stanford claims to have extracted data from this single still image that proves that the smaller object had traveled at "either two-thirds or three-quarters of the speed of light in the atmosphere" as it moved closer to him.

Well, we don't have the image, but I think these claims on their face raise substantial questions about Stanford's methods of photo "analysis," which I surmise may owe much to his rich imagination. This a subject to which we might return on another day.

But wait, there is more: That quick smaller object had a dome. The very same single 35mm image, according to Stanford, shows the alien pilot sitting inside the dome -- so clearly that "you can count the fingers on his hand," Stanford asserts. (In the 2009 Radio Misterioso interview, Stanford also said this alien pilot is "three or three-and-one-half feet tall, and has a bald head and pointed ears.")

Regarding this photo, Stanford says, "People say, is this just a blur?" It's not clear whether he is referring here to people who have seen the photo, or people who have not seen it.

Well, 34 years have passed since Stanford says he photographed this diminutive alien pilot, sitting in his domed craft. Yet, Stanford has never released this world-shaking photo showing the alien pilot actually piloting a vehicle of apparently extraterrestrial manufacture. Why not, do you suppose? Well, it is pretty clear that Stanford is not in the habit of subjecting his purported UFO evidences to truly independent analysis or to unfiltered critical scrutiny -- perhaps because on the rare occasions when he has done so, his claims have generally fared poorly. Stanford is a man who often "sees" what others do not see, in photos and elsewhere -- and perhaps if he released the photo, there would be too many who see "just a blur."

(Stanford also claims that after the October 1984 event, he and other witnesses developed "Beau's lines" on their fingernails, which Stanford attributed to the UFOs. Beau's lines are horizontal lines that are sometimes an indication of underlying disease. It was not entirely clear to me whether Stanford thought the malign UFO influence emanated from the mothership 90 miles away, or the from the domed craft a mile away, but presumably he blamed the latter.)

For educational and journalistic purposes, I have uploaded here an audio file of the segment of the UFO Classified interview in which Stanford describes the alien-pilot image and the manner in which he says he obtained it, as well as his extrapolation regarding the object's speed.


In the UFO Classified interview, Stanford goes into considerable detail about a movie he took through the window of an airliner returning to the U.S. from Mexico on December 4, 1980. This is the Super8 movie from which a photo was taken ostensibly showing "Faraday rings" around a UFO, as discussed here.

Stanford goes on at length about other extraordinary things shown in this movie, including distant mountains that "collapse optically" and then reappear (repeatedly), displays of redshift and blueshift, and other marvels -- all of these effects ostensibly visible on the 4.01 mm x 5.79 mm (i.e, less than one-quarter inch in the long dimension) Super8 frames -- all of them shot through an airliner window no doubt made of double panes of birefringent acrylic material. (Birefringent refers to "stressed material [that] bends and transmits light differently for light waves oscillating in different directions, i.e., light of different polarization states," according to a technical reference book.) Stanford says nothing to indicate that this Super 8 film has ever been examined by any independent analyst, nor the possible artifact-inducing properties of the airliner window explored by an appropriate technical expert. Nor is there anything in the paper by Auguste Meessen, a Belgian physicist (which reproduced a frame from the film), to suggest that the film has ever been directly examined by anybody other than Stanford. This is all discussed in more detail in Ray Stanford Close-Up No. 8: Unearthly Crystal, Alien Pilot, Faraday Rings, and Magnetometer Data.


In the UFO Classified interview, referring to some unspecified portion of his body of claimed UFO evidences, Stanford says, "I may release this . . . through a major government operation." He does not name the government agency that purportedly has an interest in serving as a conduit for bringing Stanford's material to a broader audience. However, soon after making that remark, Stanford refers to the "credibility" that he has gained with unnamed persons at Goddard Space Flight Center, a NASA facility in Maryland, because Stanford made an much-heralded dinosaur-track discovery on the Goddard grounds in 2012. I am uploading here a 69-second segment in which Stanford discusses his NASA-Goddard connection.

It seems ironic that Stanford, in this interview and other recent interviews, preens so much regarding his current Goddard connections, given that Stanford published a book in 1976 that absolutely trashed senior Goddard personnel. Stanford claimed Goddard scientists and administrators suppressed evidence that metal scrapings from the 1964 Socorro UFO, recovered by Stanford and taken to Goddard for testing, were of non-earthly origin. (This claim was convincingly refuted by the highly regarded Richard Hall of NICAP, among others, as narrated in detail here.)

In the UFO Classified interview, Stanford and the host several times give the email address at which listeners can still order a copy of the book, Socorro 'Saucer' in a Pentagon Pantry ($68, postpaid and autographed). I have to wonder whether Stanford has given complimentary copies of the Goddard-bashing book to the Goddard administrators or scientists who he now cites as witnesses to his scientific credibility.


In this March 8, 2019 UFO Classified interview, we have yet another extended recitation of remarkable UFO-evidence claims, by a man who has spent over 60 years making remarkable UFO-evidence claims -- many of which been refuted or abandoned, and the rest of which are unsubstantiated (unless one considers repetitive statements by Stanford and his scribes to constitute substantiation, which I do not).

To repeat what I've said before: I do not exclude the possibility that somewhere in the six-decade cascade of dubious, unsubstantiated, and often absurd public UFO-related claims by Ray Stanford, there may be something of value -- by which I mean, something that can stand on its own, independently of any reliance on Stanford's objectivity (for it seems quite well documented that he is highly subjective, prone to fantasy and confabulation), or on his candor (of which I believe he has too often displayed a deficiency, most recently in the UFO Classified interview).

For any specific UFO evidence claim, Stanford ought to place the original evidence (film and camera, electronic recordings, whatever) in the hands of independent persons who are capable of conducting a competent analysis. Whatever conclusions may be drawn based on competent independent analysis of unaltered images or other tangible data -- analysis not reliant on any favorable presumptions regarding Stanford's objectivity or candor -- should be made public for commentary. If it should happen that a specific piece of evidence -- after having been subjected to such independent, competent, skeptical but honest analysis -- is fairly judged to be evidential on its own, then Stanford should get appropriate credit for whatever constructive role he played in obtaining that evidence.

As for the new Stanford claim heard on the UFO Classified interview, that "a major government operation" may embrace Stanford's UFO evidence claims: If something like that is in the works, it seems very likely that Stanford will redouble his efforts to rewrite his own history -- to minimize or deny some of his past activities, claims, and promises. It appears that he might believe that his success in finding dinosaur tracks will somehow paint over his decades of making wild UFO-related claims. Don't bet on it.

Anyone considering associating themselves with the Stanford UFO-evidence portfolio should be prepared to see the UFO-related claims scrutinized "in context." The context is the entire Stanford UFO history-- not only Stanford's version, but also the truth as revealed in the documented record.

Justice Fodor


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Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
My email address is my first name, followed by an underscore, followed by my last name, at protonmail.com
That whole narrative about the 1984 alien pilot just doesn't make any sense. He sounds like a rambling old nut in that clip you posted. That would be some camera! Even ignoring all the craziest stuff, I wonder how it was determined the little "ice cream shaped" craft was a mile away. How could that be seen at 90 miles? Could our hero photograph a Piper Cub at one mile, and count the fingers on the pilot's hand? How about estimating the pilot's height? He is, among many other things, an astonishingly skillful photographer.

The time for Ray to put up or shut up was during the Reagan administration.


As Above So Below


Justice Fodor

A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)
Here's a bump in recognition of the little pointy-eared alien and his little alien fingers that Ray Stanford claims that he photographed in 1984, but that we have yet to see.


Adept Dabbler
One of the persons who has vigorously defended a number of Ray Stanford's photographic UFO-evidence claims over the years has been Ben Moss, currently identified as MUFON's Chief Field Investigator for Virginia. On August 27, 2015, on a different UFO-themed forum, Mr. Moss revealed that he had been privileged to view a "screen capture" of Ray Stanford's image of the pointy-eared alien pilot. Mr. Moss provided the intriguing detail that Ray Stanford had named the photographed alien "Gort."

Alas, nearly six years later, the rest of the world is still denied the opportunity to see this image of "Gort" -- an image so clear, Stanford said on the Erica Lukes UFO Classified podcast in 2019, that "you can count the fingers on his hand." Surely the day is long overdue for "Gort" to receive the wider recognition that he deserves.


The shadow

The shadow knows!
One of the persons who has vigorously defended a number of Ray Stanford's photographic UFO-evidence claims over the years has been Ben Moss, currently identified as MUFON's Chief Field Investigator for Virginia. On August 27, 2015, on a different UFO-themed forum, Mr. Moss revealed that he had been privileged to view a "screen capture" of Ray Stanford's image of the pointy-eared alien pilot. Mr. Moss provided the intriguing detail that Ray Stanford had named the photographed alien "Gort."

Alas, nearly six years later, the rest of the world is still denied the opportunity to see this image of "Gort" -- an image so clear, Stanford said on the Erica Lukes UFO Classified podcast in 2019, that "you can count the fingers on his hand." Surely the day is long overdue for "Gort" to receive the wider recognition that he deserves.

Most likely it is yet another tall tale.


Adept Dabbler

Those who subscribe to this thread may wish to check out a new extended piece I wrote about certain aspects of the long, long UFO-aliens saga of Ray Stanford, which I placed over on the Alien Hub sub-forum on August 28, 2021. While it somewhat overlaps some of the "Ray Stanford Close Up" pieces that I previously wrote under the pen name "Justice Fodor," I have now presented some of the material in a somewhat more coherent narrative, with a number of new photographs, old articles, new uploads of key documentation, and the like.

Remember, Ray Stanford has identified himself publicly as "the most seasoned researcher into these [UFO] phenomena alive today," and he has proclaimed that his claimed extraordinary evidences of alien technology are "going to hit at a major level, just like [Stanford's major 2012 fossil] discovery at Goddard did. I won't settle for anything less." So you better get up to speed!

Alien-Lore Career Achievement Award Goes to Ray Stanford...

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