Ray Stanford's Carnival of Incredible and Unsubstantiated UFO Claims!

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by Justice Fodor, Jun 8, 2021.

  1. Dean

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    Well, now that you mention it, there is a song on that album called "Fylingdale Flyer," and some of the lyrics do seem to have a vague resonance with the subject we are discussing:

    No quick conclusions now, everything will be fine,
    Short-circuit glitsch and not what it seems.
    Fylingdale flyer, you're only half way there,
    Green screen liar.
    For a second or so we were running scared.
     
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  2. Double Nought Spy

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    Strieber certainly is a complex character. There have been some very interesting articles on line about his confabulations. I'm sure he has had some genuinely weird experiences, and I would not be surprised to learn he has actually had a lot of contact with aliens. But how does one sort out the truth from the delusions? Reminds me of that old quote about advertising, attributed to the owner of a hugely successful business. It goes something like, "I spend a fortune every year on advertising, and I know half of it is wasted. The trouble is, there is no way for me to tell which half it is."

    Having said that, I do think he has contributed to the field in a positive way, almost in spite of himself. I think his contributions go beyond whether any of his stuff is true or real, factual, provable, plausible or even relevant. His writing is powerful, and he was able to push some ideas and concepts into the general population in a unique way. In that way, he is like Art Bell, I think: often full of shit, but he has changed the general population in intangible ways when it comes to the paranormal.
     
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  3. pigfarmer

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    You worked for GS on the Paracast ? Interesting. Didn't know that
     
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  4. Double Nought Spy

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    Thanks for posting this! I had no idea you were involved in that stuff. I'd have eaten it up back then if I lived nearby, and probably would have participated to some degree, though I doubt I'd have rated white coveralls. The best I usually do is a T shirt with VOLUNTEER lettered on the back, presumably as a warning of potential hazard. The "scientific" hardware aspect would have attracted me. There were very few such efforts, at least that I was ever aware of. Obviously it's expensive and labor intensive. That's an impressive array of equipment he put together. Too bad nothing astounding came of it.

    I assume that's what drew Chris O'Brien to Stanford's work. Seems like he alluded to that when he started becoming the unofficial spokesman for him. I know Chris was thinking about that sort of thing long before he got any of his current efforts along those lines off the ground. I picture Chris contacting him, asking about his instrumented research, and his own bona fides being sufficient for Ray to grant him an audience. I'm just guessing, of course. Whatever led to their meeting, it does not surprise me that Chris wasn't put off by Ray's irascible behavior. He lived in Crestone for many years, after all. Cranky old fusspots are not uncommon there.
     
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  5. Justice Fodor

    Justice Fodor A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)

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    In Ray Stanford Close Ups No. 2 and No. 9, I detailed and documented Ray Stanford's past efforts, over a 15-year period and extending into his mid-30s, to promote and raise money for a device he called "the Hilaron Accelerator," which was described as a UFO-like device that could confer extraordinary powers on an occupant, including in some cases the power to physically, literally transport into the distant past.

    Because a recent article on The Daily Grail made a passing reference to Stanford's time-machine project, and because Stanford repeatedly denied the extent and nature of his promotion of the "Accelerator," I've now posted an additional audio clip from a promotional talk Stanford gave in 1974. In the clip, Stanford made it very clear that he meant literal, physical transport to the distant past -- entailing even a risk of becoming stranded in the past.

    Ray Stanford and His Super-Power-Inducing Time Machine (AKA "The Hilaron Accelerator")
     
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  6. Kaipo

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    Has he ever come thru with anything? Was he alwayys a ufo shyster?
     
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  7. Justice Fodor

    Justice Fodor A pen name of Dean (used 2-8-19 to 8-1-21)

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    Ray Stanford has made very many public claims to possession of UFO evidences and to personal encounters with aliens going back nearly seven decades. I am not aware of any of Stanford's more remarkable claims that have ever truly been validated by truly independent analysts who are not dependent on Stanford's stories, manipulated images, etc.

    Stanford has re-invented himself and rewritten his history multiple times. Also, he has himself repudiated, or radically reinterpreted, many of the UFO-related claims that he made during the period of 1954 to the late 1970s-- a period spanning a quarter century.

    In 1958, Stanford published a small book (Look Up) about his purported close encounters with alien spacecraft, telepathic communications with space brothers, a cosmic consciousness experience when induced by a nearby alien craft, etc. Stanford was still giving gosh-wow accounts of those claimed experiences in lectures in the mid-1970s, at least one of which was sold on cassette by the nonprofit organization that employed Stanford*, the Association for the Understanding of Man (now long defunct). It is worth a listen. Also during the 1970s, Stanford was regularly going into trances and channeling members of the "White Brotherhood," include "Aramda" of the extraterrestrial Watchers, about which I have written in detail in the "Ray Stanford Close Up" series. Those tapes are real eye-openers, too.

    [*Update-clarification (August 3, 2021): Ray Stanford did in fact give a lecture, titled "Firsthand Contacts with Extraterrestrial Life," going into great detail about his claimed 1950s contacts with UFOs and aliens, on August 23, 1974, during a conference of held by the Association for the Understanding of Man (AUM). However, my memory deceived me when I wrote that the lecture was "sold on cassette" by AUM. Several other presentations from that conference were indeed sold on audio cassette, including a Stanford lecture on the "Hilaron Accelerator" (time machine), but not "Firsthand Contacts with Extraterrestrial Life." Fortunately, I attended the "Extraterrestrial" lecture and recorded it myself; anyone who wants a free digital copy, please send me a Personal Message, or request by email: Douglas Dean Johnson, with periods between the names -- it is a gmail address.]

    Stanford was in his mid-30s at the time, so we are not exactly talking about the follies of youth. Stanford himself in later decades repudiated channeling as unreliable. So whether or not one believes that the term "UFO shyster" fits -- I myself have not employed that terminology -- both the record and Stanford's own later stance shows that, with respect to alien claims, he was unreliable from the earliest days.

    In more recent decades Stanford has become more adept at adopting scientific-sounding jargon, at times, but the gross subjectivity, grandiose flights of imagination, and frequent departures from candor all remain lifelong patterns.
     
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  8. Theo

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    In the interest of honesty, it should be known by readership here that the user Justice Fodor is also the name Skylar Kron. Alternatively used on different sites, still they are one person the same.

    In actuality, they are himself Douglas Dean Johnson!

    Why such pretense? What compulsion he has to persecute Sig. Stanford must be explained to himself, as well the deception here. What is the true motive? Attenti all'ingannatore.
     
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  9. dr wu

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    Welcome Theo....I notice you are also new here.
    I would ask what your interest in 'Fodor' is and why do you think he is 'persecuting' Stanford? :unsure8:
     
  10. nivek

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    What's your true motivation for coming here and stating this?...Best intentions?...I see no deception here, people use different names for accounts on forums all the time instead of their real names, such as my name 'nivek' and most others here and on numerous other forums and message boards...Is Theo your real name?...Are you really residing in Italy?...I think you're barking up the wrong tree as there are no deceptions being played here...

    ...
     
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  11. Double Nought Spy

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    I can't help noticing you don't dispute the factual material in Justice Fodor's posts.

    As the proprietor of more aliases than I can properly keep track of, let alone maintain decently, I can see why someone might want to use a different account for something like those exposés. I don't care who it is, the work stands on its own merits. Everything is substantiated, often with primary source material, linked and sorted. It's outstanding work, especially for the wild and weird end of the web.

    Persecution? Try sound scholarship.
     
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  12. Dean

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    Friends, I am the aforementioned Douglas Dean Johnson, and because I do not wish for anyone to overlook my response, I have started a new thread on this matter, here.
     
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  13. dr wu

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    I have been following many aspects of the UFO enigma since about 1975 and frankly never heard about Stanford.
    At any rate I do believe there are many 'frauds' and 'hoaxers' out there in the ufo and paranormal field.
    I looked for info on him recently before Mr Johnson posted his comment above because there is a thread on him ,and there isn't that much information available. I did see this which is a negative piece on Mr Stanford. Granted it is a blog opinion from 2009.
    The Truth Uncensored: Ray Stanford Uncensored
    From the blog: "Stanford was introduced to the UFO field by shysters, hawking bogus stories to an uninformed public. When Stanford learned that the fraud had turned on him, denying him money for his "work" by these contactee pretenders, he disavowed Williamson and McCoy and started his own UFO contactee business."
     
  14. Dean

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    On August 6, 2021, in his presentation at the AIAA session on UAP, Prof. Kevin Knuth cited images provided by Ray Stanford as evidence for exotic UAP tech effects — specifically, “plasma sheath,” “plasma beam ahead,” and maybe even “warp drive.” I think that Prof. Knuth was ill advised to do so. I explain why in a new post summarizing the untrustworthiness of UFO/alien evidence claims by Ray Stanford.

    Prof. Kevin Knuth presented dubious Ray Stanford UFO-evidence images and claims at AIAA. A mistake.
     
  15. The shadow

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    Ok I need to know about his alleged discovery of dino tracks or bones.
    Did he really make such a claim?
     
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  17. Dean

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    I have written a long new post, "Career Achievement Award Goes to Ray Stanford," looking back over some of the most notable Ray Stanford claims related to aliens over the past 60-plus years, including many graphics and quotes that I have not previously reported, and uploads of historical documents and audio clips not previously made available.

    Alien-Lore Career Achievement Award Goes to Ray Stanford...
     
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