Reincarnation

HAL9000

Honorable
Who says I'm worried? The dying part a little maybe - natural. It would be the method not the result that causes any anxiety.

Pretty much agree.

But as to reincarnation. I hope everyone wishing for this realises that each time they come back it will be into a much worst Worldwide situation than the one they left. And what happens when the World has become so hot that humans (and probably most animals) can't survive ? One would imagine that to be reincarnated you will need parents to reproduce you.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
The world goes in cycles. I would like to think that the future generations will find solutions for the problems we have today.

So, as the world has already gone through many cycles, shouldn't we have it all sorted out by now ?

I fear your optimism is misplaced
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I wonder if life and afterlife resembles a DC circuit. We come into this world with a charge, pass through many loads, and finally return to the source all spent up. And, maybe get charged up again for another pass.
 

dr wu

Noble
Things will only get better if we make them better. That does not appear to be happening; quite the opposite.

J Krishnamurti once said, 'Nothing will change for the better on earth until there is a fundamental change in the very nature of human consciousness.'
I think the fact that a Davinci painting about the size of a postage stamp just sold for 12 million.....sums up where human beings are at.
 

HAL9000

Honorable
People won't change. The Corona virus has proved that. For all those who like to put a religious light on things, Maybe this virus is God's way of getting rid of all the dumbclucks.

Oh, nearly forgot, watch out for my new post on Planet population. Guaranteed to annoy a few while others will want to make me President.
 

dr wu

Noble
People won't change. The Corona virus has proved that. For all those who like to put a religious light on things, Maybe this virus is God's way of getting rid of all the dumbclucks.

Oh, nearly forgot, watch out for my new post on Planet population. Guaranteed to annoy a few while others will want to make me President.
Oh ...we will definitely change but it might take a long time to get there.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
So I have been cruising through Michael Newton's Journey of Souls and the thing that bothers me about books like this is that living authors are provide very very specific details about what happens and how. To my ear it sounds a lot like religion - where'd they come up with some of those things? Like the list of do's and don'ts in a gated community. I put all that in to my 'commercial enterprise' folder.

I also understand that there is a spiritual side to this and to that I lend considerable credit. We do have capability far in excess of what you might think. People are capable of truly amazing things under the right set of circumstances, sometimes so improbable as to seem miraculous. I put all that into 'study of consciousness' folder and I think that's where the real investment is: reincarnation, Remote Viewing and possibly even communicating with ET. I just don't know what to make of some of the very specific descriptions I have seen. Just don't know exactly how to file them, and I don't have to. I start from the physiological knowing that training can give you skills, I just haven't figured out how to pump the psychic iron yet.

I'll share this. I just went through a very ugly situation. A friend lost two members of his family, one very suddenly and in a dramatic fashion. Been helping and there are daunting logistics involved. I had some connection to them but limited and infrequent. I can say that materialism won't make you happy and I got mountains of shit to prove it. Neither will gorging yourself on a daily basis, the local food bank around here will be getting the motherload today. One of two probably. But here's the weird part - I found a photograph of someone who died in the '70s. Never met him, he died young of leukemia. But damn, when I saw the picture it grabbed hold of me - so very, very familiar and I can't put my finger on it. I do have some of his possessions but I've had them for over 30 years. Weird, weird not-creepy feeling. Like a figurative slap in the face.

Having had a close look at the aftermath of something like this I was just going to circular file Journey but I can't throw away books without guilt. I got absolutely zero sense of anything other than piles of other people's crap until I found that photo. That's when I start thinking about the 'consciousness' folder wondering if I just got some sort of message I don't understand.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Few people really know what life is because of having never encountered and engaged their own life, living in such ignorance of themselves that when death is eventually faced it's impossible to know and understand what death is...So in this portrayal, death is the end of some thing that was already dead to begin with, death is misunderstood because of not understanding and knowing oneself during life...

Death is a door between two lives, one left behind and one that's ahead...However for some there is much fear about death and that fear mainly comes about because someone else died and that death is seen from an outside perspective without seeing it from an inner perspective...Its an experience that cannot be known from outer experience or observation, the outer manifestations of death frighten people...Stepping through the door from one life to another is part of a great journey of existence and experience, death is one of the most misunderstood phenomenons...

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JahaRa

Noble
Pretty much agree.

But as to reincarnation. I hope everyone wishing for this realises that each time they come back it will be into a much worst Worldwide situation than the one they left. And what happens when the World has become so hot that humans (and probably most animals) can't survive ? One would imagine that to be reincarnated you will need parents to reproduce you.
Why do you think Earth is the only place people reincarnate? I know a lot of people who think they have had many past lives on other planets and other types of experiences that don't require a body. If you believe in reincarnation why limit it to just earth?
 

HAL9000

Honorable
Why do you think Earth is the only place people reincarnate? I know a lot of people who think they have had many past lives on other planets and other types of experiences that don't require a body. If you believe in reincarnation why limit it to just earth?

And I have heard of people who swear they were Napoleon in a previous incarnation.
I have no reason to believe in reincarnation. But I am fairly sure that as we do not know of any other occupied planets, the odds that you would come back here are pretty high.
 

JahaRa

Noble
And I have heard of people who swear they were Napoleon in a previous incarnation.
I have no reason to believe in reincarnation. But I am fairly sure that as we do not know of any other occupied planets, the odds that you would come back here are pretty high.
Jeez!!! My point was lost on you apparently, if someone believes in reincarnation why would they limit their belief to living only on one planet, limit the possibilities in their universe to just one planet? Maybe you could get someone to explain how imagination works. What got up your nose about the suggestion that some people believe they have lived other lives on other planets. It doesn't have anything to do with what you believe, it has to do with other's beliefs.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
But as to reincarnation. I hope everyone wishing for this realises that each time they come back it will be into a much worst Worldwide situation than the one they left. And what happens when the World has become so hot that humans (and probably most animals) can't survive ? One would imagine that to be reincarnated you will need parents to reproduce you.

You're wrongly assuming reincarnation progresses with our ordinary observation of time as linear...Reincarnation does not observe this linear progression, one could die today and easily go back into the past and live out a life there just as well as reincarnate into the future...Past, present, and future exist in the eternal now...

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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Few people really know what life is because of having never encountered and engaged their own life, living in such ignorance of themselves that when death is eventually faced it's impossible to know and understand what death is..

Judge not lest ye be judged is what I keep thinking. You don't want to be in a position to render the final grade on the report card for anyone but unfortunately you do whether you want to or not, that's just the way it works. Sometimes you just have the whole story laid out in front of you and it would be abnormal not to form some kind of an opinion in it. In some cases you earn the right to one. I guess I am more apt to feel that way, just my wiring. Some people can go to a funeral, eat the finger sammiches after and then move on without further thought.

I would like to think that someone's Life is working out according to some plan and maybe it is, maybe not. Could be a person is here to accomplish one thing, say or do something to influence someone else.

That was sort of the disclaimer. There's the 'people get wrapped up in their own bullshit' axiom. So absorbed with the mundane they fail to ever once metaphorically 'look up' ever and miss the whole show.
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I would like to think that someone's Life is working out according to some plan and maybe it is, maybe not. Could be a person is here to accomplish one thing, say or do something to influence someone else.

I feel like every morning when I open my eyes I am handed a new script to play. I have no control over the contents of the script, or what the other players do. I can only play it the best I can and hope the studio audience enjoys it. Maybe they'll give me a standing ovation for the final act, I don't know.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
So I have been cruising through Michael Newton's Journey of Souls

Sorry kids but my review consists of one word: tripe. Couldn't finish it.

The man glosses over his method briefly and gets straight to the case anecdotes which become so specific as to lose my interest. Names of spiritual guides, exact procedures. All that's missing is the lunch menu and what time the yoga classes are scheduled. He's just paying off his boat with this book, it's all straight to the juicy details. I don't know about the validity of his method. I suspect hypnosis has its place but like 'investigators' using EMF meters to detect ghosts I can't help but think maybe that cool looking thing you're using maybe isn't the thing to use. A but like the UAPTF report saying that military systems are designed for specific purposes and may not be providing an accurate look at an target outside that design envelope. Dr.Simon had been using hypnosis techniques for PTSD patients until Barney Hill showed up.

I found a photograph of someone who died in the '70s. Never met him, he died young of leukemia. But damn, when I saw the picture it grabbed hold of me - so very, very familiar and I can't put my finger on it.

Figured that one out. When your head is full of emotion it's easy to get carried away, especially when I realized I have some of the man's possessions. The photo I saw looks very similar to a specific family photo of mine, plus the man looks like two people I know. So his appearance is familiar but he is not. Decades ago I traded a Glock 19 for a Smith & Wesson 629 + loading dies, accessories, etc. If I open the safe and it floats out making an eerie woooooo sound I'll be sure to let everyone know.

You have to at least play Devil's Advocate with yourself. Someone else could have taken this ball and run with it out of sincere belief and and created a whole scenario.
 
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