RIP John McCain

Standingstones

Celestial
I am looking now yeah your right McCain was not perfect. no political figure is..
I don’t give politicians a pass, ever. Most are in Washington for one of two purposes if not both, money and power.

I wish I would have saved this article I had read one time. The author proposed that when people first arrive in Washington DC they have the best intentions. It doesn’t take long before reality sets in. You are told how to vote on issues or if not, the money starts to dry up. You spend a majority of your day on the phone trying to raise re-election funds. The author wrote that there is a certain evilness that has decended on the capital and most politicians get sucked into it.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
FB_IMG_1535560778651.jpg culled from FB McCain shows his son the Cell th spent 5 years in as a POW
 

nivek

As Above So Below
2k6y8HbZ7TpJFVjZvIT_lPLl_cyhnyhZYeUi2auigig.jpg
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
mcCain warmonger.jpg

Make no mistake I still like and Respect NcCain. But his willingness to associate with sponsors of terror especially ISIS leaders is troubling to say the least.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
On 07/29/67 a missile from McCain's plane caused an explosion and fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal killing 134 sailors and injuring 161. On 10/26/67 his plane was shot down over North Vietnam. The time between the two events is 89 days or 2 months 27 days. His capture could have been orchestrated as dispensed punishment. It's believed since his father & grandfather were both four star Navy admirals he was spared a harsher punishment.
John McCain - Wikipedia
1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-fire-uss-forrestal/
2:27/14:27- The number 227 is a prime, twin prime, prime triplet, safe prime, regular prime, Pillai prime, Stern prime and a Ramanujan prime. It’s a harmonic number and adds up to 11. It’s the equivalent of Pi 22/7 = 3.14286. The equation (2 x 3 x 5 x 7 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 227) and those numbers are two sets of the first four and only single digit primes. The Reichstag fire took place on 2/27/33 and cemented Hitler’s anointed power.
John McCain dies at 81: War hero, father and presidential candidate fought aggressive brain cancer | Daily Mail Online
4BB52BE300000578-6095331-image-a-7_1535393523703.jpg

 
Last edited:

The shadow

The shadow knows!
the more I read about John McCain the more I am forced to coincide he was a warmonger. And Like Henry Ford was a deeply flawed man. Ford for those who do not know was a rabid Anti Semite. He wrote a book called "the international Jew ". this book inspired Hitler.
Ford was honored by the Nazis. given the highest award. Ford even met Hitler! and was sworn in as a member of the Nazi party.
He helped establish assembly lines for Hitler's "Volkswagen "
Henry Ford father of the automobile.
father of the holocaust.
nazi4_113098ap.jpg
McCain certainly was not to this level but he did have a dark side
 

Wade

Stare..... They are always staring
On 07/29/67 a missile from McCain's plane caused an explosion and fire aboard the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal killing 134 sailors and injuring 161. On 10/26/67 his plane was shot down over North Vietnam. The time between the two events is 89 days or 2 months 27 days. His capture could have been orchestrated as dispensed punishment. It's believed since his father & grandfather were both four star Navy admirals he was spared a harsher punishment.
John McCain - Wikipedia
1967 USS Forrestal fire - Wikipedia
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/john-mccain-fire-uss-forrestal/
2:27/14:27- The number 227 is a prime, twin prime, prime triplet, safe prime, regular prime, Pillai prime, Stern prime and a Ramanujan prime. It’s a harmonic number and adds up to 11. It’s the equivalent of Pi 22/7 = 3.14286. The equation (2 x 3 x 5 x 7 + 2 + 3 + 5 + 7 = 227) and those numbers are two sets of the first four and only single digit primes. The Reichstag fire took place on 2/27/33 and cemented Hitler’s anointed power.
John McCain dies at 81: War hero, father and presidential candidate fought aggressive brain cancer | Daily Mail Online
4BB52BE300000578-6095331-image-a-7_1535393523703.jpg




I heard the opposite in that when he was downed the North Vietnamese knew they had a pr prize and offered to let him go ahead of some guys that was held there. That Apparently was a no go for John and he declined the release this really pissed off the NV so they took out their frustration on him giving him a real rough captivity.

I think his main captuturer(?) had a lot of respect for in later years and good words for him after his death.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
I heard the opposite in that when he was downed the North Vietnamese knew they had a pr prize and offered to let him go ahead of some guys that was held there. That Apparently was a no go for John and he declined the release this really pissed off the NV so they took out their frustration on him giving him a real rough captivity.

I think his main captuturer(?) had a lot of respect for in later years and good words for him after his death.
I don't see how that could have been his decision. Couldn't the Vietnamese have just forcefully take him to an exchange or drop off point. Maybe it was part of building his profile for a future in politics. Bush senior was supposedly the youngest person to be shot down in WW2. At least in the past people would be more inclined to vote for a war hero. With JFK it was PT-109.
hqdefault.jpg

170px-Lt._John_F._Kennedy_aboard_the_PT-109.jpg
 

Wade

Stare..... They are always staring
As a POW in Vietnam, John McCain refused release until his fellow prisoners were freed, making him a hero in the eyes of many

Less than a year into McCain's imprisonment, his father was named commander of US forces in the Pacific, and the North Vietnamese saw an opportunity for leverage by offering the younger McCain's release - what would have been both a propaganda victory and a way to demoralize other American POWs.

But McCain refused, sticking to the POW code of conduct that says troops must accept release in the order in which they are captured.
 

pepe

Celestial
Bit of a tough deal to judge a figure upon Middle Eastern affairs as freedom fighters lie the same as the leaders.

Shake hands with the right group and before you know it you support terror. Shake hands with their leaders and before you know it you are okay with dictators.

It was said that the Middle East is five hundred years behind us in terms of civilisation. Two facedness was never in our remit.

Straight up.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
Since his death I have seen two sides of McCain. The John McCain that a war hero. A reform minded man who crossed the aisle many times. A good decent man who only wanted to serve his nation. Then there is the warmonger. Who met with ISIS. And other sponsors of terror. McCain actively pushed with Bush 43 for war.
It took years for Henry Ford to be unmasked. Thanks to the internet McCain's dark side has been exposed.
my respect for him has become less.
because of what I learned.
 

Standingstones

Celestial
The public display tells me they mourn for themselves...

...
In our age of information, it is not enough to let a family grieve for the dead in private. We need to have cameras in place so the public can see how the deceased family is holding up. There is something maudlin about the whole affair to me.
 

pepe

Celestial
I think I know why public grieving is more evident today in these affairs.

A precedent is set by social media. Image and the fear of not doing the same can give the impression of a lacking.

Keeping up with the Joneses went viral.
 

Toroid

Founding Member
John has a 106 year old mother that may attend the service.
John McCain's 106-year-old mother to attend Washington memorial services
John McCain's rebellious streak didn't come out of nowhere. His mother, Roberta, had a habit of speeding behind the wheel and racking up tickets. When told during a trip to Europe that she was too old to rent a car, she went out and bought a Peugeot. Her son once answered the telephone to hear his mother say she was on a cross-country driving trip — by herself, in her 90s.

Now 106, the wife of a Navy admiral and mother of a Navy captain lived a life full of travel and adventure, punctuated by her sass and determination.

She once said her son liked to hold her up as an example of "what he hopes his lifespan will be."

But in the end, she is mourning him instead of the other way around.

Though slowed by a stroke, she is expected to attend memorial and burial services in Washington and Maryland later this week for the middle son she called "Johnny," the Vietnam prisoner of war, congressman, senator and two-time presidential candidate who died of brain cancer on Saturday at age 81.

The senator said in one of his books that "my mother was raised to be a strong, determined woman who thoroughly enjoyed life, and always tried to make the most of her opportunities. She was encouraged to accept, graciously and with good humor, the responsibilities and sacrifices her choices have required of her. I am grateful to her for the strengths she taught me by example."

McCain's father, too, had a penchant for living large, with the senator recalling that a predilection for "quick tempers, adventurous spirits, and love for the country's uniform" was encoded in his family DNA.
 
Top