RIP Ray Stanford (1938-2025)-- contactee, psychic channel, story-fabricator, fossil finder

Dean

Adept Dabbler
Ray Stanford died June 14, 2025, at age 86. 1950s contactee, 1960s-1970s psychic trance channel, promoter of innumerable subjective, delusional, and/or fabricated UFO-photo claims. Also, a crack fossil-finder.


 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
I had major doubts about his claims.
The whole "dynamite shack" photos smacked of hoax. RIP Ray.
 

Dean

Adept Dabbler
For a summary and deconstruction of the long-running Ray Stanford "dynamite shack photo" tale, go to the article linked below and use your browser's search tool to search for "dynamite shack."

 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I've heard interviews with Kevin Knuth and he sounds perfectly credible. I believe he had quite a sighting in Wisconsin that he very calmly described in great detail. In fact, he's the one that got me to attempt to photograph common planes and helicopters which served to show me it isn't as easy as it looks and the results often disappointing.

A shame he lacked the discretion to steer clear of Stanford and his claims proving that advanced education does not necessarily bring common sense along with it. Maybe it would be better to say that it doesn't wipe away naïveté. Something to bear in mind when we read or hear eyewitness testimony.
 

Alien UFO

Honorable
Never heard of this person... I'm rather curious about the authenticity of George Adamski's story. Personally, I feel that everything from his claim of encountering Venusians onwards is fake, but the cigar-shaped UFO cloud and some of the flying saucer photos he took in the early stages seem quite real...
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
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You can see into a window indicating the model is hallow
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
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Here is a close up you can see a window on the other side. It's hallow
 

Alien UFO

Honorable
I get what you mean. I don't think the photos Adamski took in his later period are real, but I feel that the few photos he took in his early period are somewhat interesting...Screenshot_20250723_114456.jpgScreenshot_20250723_114533.jpgScreenshot_20250723_114543.jpg
 

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Double Nought Spy

Old. Tired. Disgusted.
For a summary and deconstruction of the long-running Ray Stanford "dynamite shack photo" tale, go to the article linked below and use your browser's search tool to search for "dynamite shack."

Thanks for posting that. I have been looking for some things Chris O'Brien posted back when he was the most ardent and visible (to me at least) Stanford fanboy. I participated in some of those threads about Ray at the Paracast forum. During a time when I was pretty disgusted with the whole topic and not watching closely, Chris posted a photo on his own site, intended to show all us naysayers how foolish we were to doubt Ray's "evidence". I managed to click through and see it before it disappeared, and I'm glad I did. It was just a blurry shot of something, who knows what. It was so vague and useless as to appear to be a joke. It didn't stay posted for long. Unfortunately, I did not save a copy.

Does anyone have it stored somewhere? Did you see it, Dean? I can't recall much of anything about it, and it would be interesting to see it again. That episode was where Chris's reputation began to seriously degrade, as far as I was concerned. I was pretty annoyed with his attitude on the forum, especially as a moderator or admin or whatever, and I found it difficult to take him seriously about anything.

I have had very little luck searching the Paracast forum, and it seems to me that our old friend Gene has made it that way on purpose. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, and he just screwed it up by accident, but the mountain of good and useful information there seems to be about as accessible as some other things that theoretically exist, stored on tape in some long extinct format. It was bad enough when all one had to do was sort through the other mountain of nonsense also stored there, but now it just doesn't seem worth the effort. Probably says more about me and my interest than anything else. After decades of waiting for the great revelations just around the corner, I'm jaded and disgusted. I'm sure there are astounding things going on all the time, but, yeah, wake me up when something interesting comes to light, please.
 

The shadow

The shadow knows!
While I was there CoB was so much of a fanboy it was not funny. I pressed to see the alleged dynamite shack photos to no avail. Only later did I learn they did not exist. I liked CoB and respect his work but on Ray we part company
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
If this isn't a lesson about how otherwise talented people can suffer from poor judgement and/or ego driven behavior I don't know what is. Doesn't matter who you are - in uniform, having a pocket full of degrees, held an important position, whatever - the basic qualification is simply being human. Except for a short list of things I encountered in my mercifully brief retail experience I am pretty sure we're all human.
 

Dean

Adept Dabbler
On my website, last year I created a "gateway" page that provides easy access to all of my articles dealing with the history and claims of ?Ray Stanford pertaining to UFOs, aliens, and the like. There are many primary documents and audio files embedded in these articles, most of them not found elsewhere.

 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
I thought Stanford had died years ago. I thought Chris O'Brien was alot like Stanton Friedman. I didn't always agree with his conclusions, but he was a first class researcher and writer.
 

Dean

Adept Dabbler
I thought Stanford had died years ago. I thought Chris O'Brien was alot like Stanton Friedman. I didn't always agree with his conclusions, but he was a first class researcher and writer.
I have not read O'Brien's books so I have no opinion on that. But at one point I closely reviewed O'Brien's many public utterances about Ray Stanford, and later I engaged in some direct exchanges with him on social media. As far as I can tell, O'Brien never did anything that I would call real research on any of Stanford's claims. By O'Brien's own testimony, he recorded over 100 hours of Stanford telling stories, and he (O'Brien) said that he wanted to publish it all "without changing a word." (Stanford told him to wait.) That's stenography, not research.

O'Brien never publicly set forth a direct challenge to a single specific quote, document, audio-recording, or specific factual allegation that I published pertaining to Ray Stanford. The same is true of another Stanford acolyte, Christian Lambright. In both cases, their "defenses" of the Stanford UFO-related claims were/are a mix of ad hominem attacks (usually based on wildly distorted premises) and variations of "trust me, bro, I know Ray."
 

Rick Hunter

Celestial
The O'Brien books I have read had nothing to do with Ray Stanford, that's what I base my opinion on. I didn't know they were pals until it was mentioned here.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I heard him speak about Ray several times on The Paracast and other shows and he sounded more like a fan boy, hardly objective. Since they're both taking a dirt nap I guess none of that matters anymore. I hadn't noted any of Ray's family members suddenly producing a trunk full of film or pics or any of the other incontrovertible proof he was supposed to possess.
 
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