September 11

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I don't mind political threads as much as I did last year when passions were very high and it turned too personal in those discussions
nivek please, you should change it back to like it was last year, we all know what political discussions turned ATS into
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Hours after the death of thousands of Americans and destruction of the WTC, he (tried to) brag about his building being the tallest. Turns out even that was a lie.
he also supported hillary and was a good friend with the clintons
its obvious that he is a hypocrite who wants people to forget his past and think of him as the right wing jesus
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I've been thinking a lot about the Trump prediction, I mean the guy is a billionaire, There is simply no telling what kinds of information flows around in very wealthy politically inclined environments like he would have been exposed too, I'm not saying Trump knew for a fact. But. There is no telling what information he based this claim on.
don't forget that his uncle is behind the stealing of tesla's documents
he wants people to forget both his past and his family past, don't fall for his lies and remenber:
the only good politician is called "the public" everyone else is a NWO puppet
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Yeah, Sadly there doesn't seem to be a clear path to peace, I'm expecting to be honest, I'm expecting civil world war at some point where all nations will rise up and abolish their old governments in favour of some new system. I'm not an alarmist, It's just looking at the world, Things have gotten so bad and seem to be getting worse, And the big problem isn't you and me fighting foreign people, It's Big governments fighting other big governments.
the time has come for the start of the revolution, time to end all governements and give the power back to who it belongs
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
the time has come for the start of the revolution, time to end all governements and give the power back to who it belongs
I think it already began, This Internet, This thing that has changed all our lives so much, this thing that has begun and ended relationships. This thing that people put so much political value into.

I believe someday, Some sort of system will be put into place, This modern internet, This form of communication, It's much more efficient and effective than governments, The internet even has its own economy, Like Bitcoins. Someday, The Internet won't just be Important. It "WILL" Be the government, I don't know if that's something to dread or fear, But It's coming.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I think it already began, This Internet, This thing that has changed all our lives so much, this thing that has begun and ended relationships. This thing that people put so much political value into.

I believe someday, Some sort of system will be put into place, This modern internet, This form of communication, It's much more efficient and effective than governments, The internet even has its own economy, Like Bitcoins. Someday, The Internet won't just be Important. It "WILL" Be the government, I don't know if that's something to dread or fear, But It's coming.
it will be the solution
 

Sheltie

Fratty and out of touch.
I can't help but notice that a lot of the people who claim 9/11 was some sort of secret conspiracy tend to be millenials. Between things like this and some of the nut jobs they support for president who are promising free everything, including healthcare, housing, education, and basic income, it's hard to respect or take seriously most of what they say.

As a baby boomer, I will concede millenials have things tough but, hey, who hasn't? They didn't grow up with the great depression, the polio epidemic, or the Vietnam War. Every generation in history has had their share of struggles and difficulties. Sorry to turn this into an off topic (?) rant but everyone struggles in life no matter what you may be told.
 
the time has come for the start of the revolution, time to end all governements and give the power back to who it belongs
That's correct. Representational governments made sense when the fastest way to get our perspectives to Washington was on horseback.

But now we're all connected and we can vote on legislation via the internet. The representatives are all betraying the people anyway; to hell with them.

I can't help but notice that a lot of the people who claim 9/11 was some sort of secret conspiracy tend to be millenials. Between things like this and some of the nut jobs they support for president who are promising free everything, including healthcare, housing, education, and basic income, it's hard to respect or take seriously most of what they say.
Every single one of our closest allies already have universal healthcare, and most of them provide higher education to their students because a college degree in the new workforce is the equivalent of a high school diploma when we were kids. It's also a moral indictment of our nation - the wealthiest nation in the history of the Earth - that we all sit by while our mentally ill and severely disadvantaged perish on the streets like feral dogs. It would cost only $20B/year to end homeless in the US, and it never even comes up for a vote...but we just bumped up the already bloated mass murder budget by over $70B without even a debate on the House floor.

I have a hard time respecting or taking seriously what you're saying here because you're just parroting what the corporate news media tells people 24/7. Those people are enemies of humanity and megaphones for the plutocrats/sociopaths who control our nation completely.

As a baby boomer, I will concede millenials have things tough but, hey, who hasn't? They didn't grow up with the great depression, the polio epidemic, or the Vietnam War. Every generation in history has had their share of struggles and difficulties. Sorry to turn this into an off topic (?) rant but everyone struggles in life no matter what you may be told.
Millenials are perfectly willing to struggle. But their situation is truly hopeless; they have to take on gigantic financial debt just to get a degree so they can compete in the shrinking jobs market, they have no hope of ever owning a home, they'll be forced to endure the global climate crisis when that's bankrupting nations around the world, they've realized that the entire political system is now an effective oligarchy rather than a representational government, and the entire economic system is rigged against them in every way imaginable.

Through no fault of their own, they're forced to live out the cataclysmic consequences of decisions made by our generation and previous generations, while the entire system mocks their concerns.

So I think it's unsurprising that they smell a rat when they see WTC 7 collapse at free-fall acceleration onto its own footprint exactly like controlled demolition, when no steel building in history has ever come down in that manner through fire alone.
 

ChrisIB

Honorable
That's correct. Representational governments made sense when the fastest way to get our perspectives to Washington was on horseback.
But now we're all connected and we can vote on legislation via the internet.
Disagree, giving the people votes on complex subjects, like Brexit, is simply incorrect.
Radical politics has almost always just produced dictatorship.

However the rapid changes the internet ferments is producing a dynamic of increasingly corrosive government influence, with big data bringing more control, counterbalanced by democratic freedom organizations.
I believe there is a balance of sorts, the lever pullers are right to fear organizations like Wikileaks, which have provided more real insight than we have had in the last fifty years.

If democracy is really suppressed, extremist parties gain support. We are not seeing that.

Another geopolitical trend is the increasing friction between regimes with different ideologies. It seems the common interest of money is no longer sufficient.
 

nivek

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