Sharp low flying UFO in daylight on video - however,

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
....it is a model airplane type thing shaped round. But here's the point; lots of people use the excuse that its too hard to catch a flying saucer on camera via your iPhone/Android phone (even though it seems 90% of human beings now have a phone/camera in their pockets). Granted this was fake, but if flying saucer sightings as often as they are happening according to "Filers Files" - there should be 1000's of video's of similar quality as this one - but of a real flying saucer - especially our elusive "mile wide" flying saucer that seems to show up over populated areas yet not one cell phone, surveillance cam, home security cam, police dash cam, civilian dash cam can catch.

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nivek

As Above So Below
not one cell phone, surveillance cam, home security cam, police dash cam, civilian dash cam can catch.

Seriously?...Surveillance cams, home security cams, police dash cams, civilian dash cams are not pointing up in the skies, good luck with catching a hawk circling overhead much less a UFO...Cell phones are usually on and the person's head is facing down into that phone, not looking up to find UFOs, most people don't even know when a bird flies over their heads...

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Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
Seriously?...Surveillance cams, home security cams, police dash cams, civilian dash cams are not pointing up in the skies, good luck with catching a hawk circling overhead much less a UFO...Cell phones are usually on and the person's head is facing down into that phone, not looking up to find UFOs, most people don't even know when a bird flies over their heads...

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Total misconception & false. Any camera that is aimed at the horizon has at least 50% sky. There are tons of videos of the cams I said that have captured meteorological events. These videos are all over YouTube. Dash cam, school security cams, home security cam, etc. It took all of 2 mins to gather up these 7 videos. Every time you see the meteor ask yourself - how come never once we see something akin to Billy Meier's Beamships or other bizarre looking craft like I posted at the beginning of this thread. If all these cams are capturing things like meteors & rocket ships then they should be picking up flying saucers.








 
....it is a model airplane type thing shaped round. But here's the point; lots of people use the excuse that its too hard to catch a flying saucer on camera via your iPhone/Android phone (even though it seems 90% of human beings now have a phone/camera in their pockets). Granted this was fake, but if flying saucer sightings as often as they are happening according to "Filers Files" - there should be 1000's of video's of similar quality as this one - but of a real flying saucer - especially our elusive "mile wide" flying saucer that seems to show up over populated areas yet not one cell phone, surveillance cam, home security cam, police dash cam, civilian dash cam can catch.

I Think Frieza Has Finally Arrived : UFOs
We've debunked this argument several times already and it's like you have some kind of mental block about it, because you act like we've never debated this before.

The sky is vast. UFOs rarely come close enough to get a clear image of them, and when they do, people are usually too shocked to take a picture before they move off, which they tend to do in a short time and at a high rate of speed.

Then there's the issue of resolution. A stupid iPhone can't begin to resolve a 30-50ft object at a distance of miles, which is the typical situation. The human eye, on the other hand, has far better resolution, autofocusing, and autotracking capabilities - modern camera technology doesn't even come close. That's why people can't show you what they've seen with their own eyes - our cameras still aren't anywhere close to the capabilities of the human eye/brain system. I posted about these issues in detail over at The Paracast forums back in May:

A recent UFO case with iPhone photos and video

And I've only heard about two cases involving a craft on the scale of a mile in size: the Phoenix lights case, which was at night, and the typical camera and film speed of that time was very poorly suited for night-time photography - if anyone managed to overcome their shock and confusion upon seeing that thing, long enough to try to take a picture, then the images probably would've been totally black, fuzzy and useless. The light sensitivity of the human eye is far better than 100-400 speed film, which was pretty much the only kind people were buying in the 90s.

The other case was over the Channel Islands, far from any inhabited area. No surprise that nobody got a shot of those craft. Though Ray Bowyer says that they found the radar tapes, so I'm hoping to see a digitized version of that someday.

Total misconception & false. Any camera that is aimed at the horizon has at least 50% sky. There are tons of videos of the cams I said that have captured meteorological events. These videos are all over YouTube. Dash cam, school security cams, home security cam, etc. It took all of 2 mins to gather up these 7 videos. Every time you see the meteor ask yourself - how come never once we see something akin to Billy Meier's Beamships or other bizarre looking craft like I posted at the beginning of this thread. If all these cams are capturing things like meteors & rocket ships then they should be picking up flying saucers.
How many security cams or home cams are aimed at the horizon? None, probably. They look down, so you can see perpetrators at your door. Have you ever set them up? I have. Nobody points them at the horizon; not that I've ever seen. And even if you did, you wouldn't see much past a few hundred feet; people look like blobs at that short distance on a typical security or dash cam. And even if you did point one at the horizon, the field of view would only be a small fraction of the entire sky, not 50% of it - not even close. Here's a comparison of the fields of view for the whole range of available CCTV security cameras - even the widest angle 2.8 lens only shows a tiny sliver of the sky. It takes a very specialized fisheye lens to capture 180 degrees of field of view, and only a small fraction of professional photographers own one of those things.

Surveillance cams also have totally shit optics and resolution - the worst out there. It's a minor miracle when you can identify a perp at 20-30ft with one of those things - a craft 5-20 miles away...forget about it.

Then you post all of these videos of meteors lighting up the night sky like an atom bomb. Lol - no AAV ever reported was that bright. Most of them don't even glow, apparently, and when they do, they're not that bright - not by a long shot. Usually people just describe little lights on them, in various colors, akin to the blinker lights on a car: that's going to be very hard if not impossible to catch with a security camera at 1-20+ miles of distance. You're trying to compare the most dramatic luminous events in the night sky, with a small and comparatively dim object in the sky, which is typically at a distance of many miles. It's not even apples and oranges; it's more like nukes vs firecrackers - two radically different scenarios. And AAVs never leave gigantic luminous plasma emissions stretching across the sky like the Space X Falcon 9 launches.

I seriously can't for the life of me understand what you're thinking here. I know it's really frustrating that we don't have a lot of good photos and videos of these things, but when you look at the technology that we have, it's no mystery at all. And in the rare instances that one of these things gets close enough that a clear photo would be possible, people get transfixed and/or scared shitless - the last thing that crosses their mind is documenting it. They're more worried about their mortal survival at that moment, because the last thing that people are prepared to see at any given moment of their day, is an obviously otherworldly interstellar spacecraft with a totally unknown agenda which is capable of instantaneous accelerations and absolutely silent hovering.
 
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pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
I see both sides of this.

I've spent more than my fair share of time recently using an iPhone to capture daylight pics of very large low flying military transports. I stopped posting them because even I got a little bored but TRM is essentially correct. You would think it would be easy in an area with relatively heavy traffic. Not so much. With practice it's possible to overcome being startled and the pics themselves aren't all that great.

But it is possible and I have been able to catch a few relative 'fast movers' like helicopters and small planes that are landing much closer. CGL has a definite point: images of rare occurrences certainly do exist in greater numbers than ever. Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it can't or won't happen. There are far more people and cameras of all description around and statistically, eventually you would think images will be captured that don't fit the usual patterns we see of balloons, bugs, clouds, jets etc. I suppose in the profusion of YouTube crapola there might just be a genuine nugget that's been overlooked. A million monkeys + a million typewriters + and infinite amount of time and one of them will eventually pound out Hamlet.

Why even debate this? Hasn't Ray Stanford done the legwork for us already? He said in a Paracast interview that he toted around special equipment for just this purpose years ago when we were all in short pants and claims to have high quality video of his own sighting - we just have to get to the Bat Cave for a screening.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
How many security cams or home cams are aimed at the horizon? None, probably.
You're joking me, right? Ok - if that's your mentality then I won't try and debate you or convince you otherwise.

All I'm saying is in the above video's - substitute the fireball for a flying saucer. Forget it being up close & sharp. Instead of seeing a streaking fireball - lets see a streaking ball of light stop - make a right angle turn - and then go the other way. I'm saying out of the 1000's of videos like this on YouTube - certainly we would have seen this by now.
 

Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
CGL has a definite point: images of rare occurrences certainly do exist in greater numbers than ever. Just because something is unlikely doesn't mean it can't or won't happen.
Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying. Not to be repetitive, but I will....out of those dash cam vids and school security cam vids - sub the meteor for another glowing object but maybe one that comes shooting into frame, stops, reverses direction & leaves? If all these cams can capture the fireballs & rockets - certainly ONE of them can capture a ball of light (I won't say close up, detailed craft because I gave up on that long ago) do what I just described.

Why would these cams be able to pick up the streaking meteor but not a streaking UFO that stops and/or changes direction/makes sharp angle turns?
 
You're joking me, right? Ok - if that's your mentality then I won't try and debate you or convince you otherwise.
It's not "my mentality," it's my experience. I've set up numerous security cameras and we mount them from sufficiently high positions to dissuade tampering, and point them down at doors and other features of the property to best capture the faces of people coming and going from the areas of interest. I've never seen a security camera pointed at the horizon. Have you?

All I'm saying is in the above video's - substitute the fireball for a flying saucer. Forget it being up close & sharp. Instead of seeing a streaking fireball - lets see a streaking ball of light stop - make a right angle turn - and then go the other way. I'm saying out of the 1000's of videos like this on YouTube - certainly we would have seen this by now.
You're making a false equivalency here: AAVs aren't burning fireballs that streak across the sky turning night into day, like many meteors do. They're nowhere near that bright; it's more like seeing an airplane with navigation lights...if they have any lights at all; many don't. I've never heard of a UFO that was anywhere near as bright as the bright meteors I've seen, which are literally so bright that it's suddenly like a bright midday afternoon outside for a few moments. Naturally, such dramatic meteor events are easy to pick up with dash cams etc.

Hardly. I've debunked it the other way around but whatever.
Ignoring the data that you've been provided with does not constitute a valid argument. We've debunked your assumptions about infinite focal length and limitless camera resolution. I just proved to you that even the widest angle 2.8mm security camera lenses only capture a tiny sliver of the sky's hemisphere. And we've already gone over the false equivalency between dramatic meteor events and AAV sightings. You haven't even attempted to debunk any of the key points against your argument. And you can't, because your assumptions are demonstrably wrong. Modern video cameras aren't magical devices that can capture small craft at miles of distance while autofocusing on them while tracking their motion with the objects on the horizon plainly visible the whole time - but the human eye can do most of that very very well. That's why people sometimes see these things, and why footage of them in action is so rare.

Thank you. That's exactly what I'm saying. Not to be repetitive, but I will....out of those dash cam vids and school security cam vids - sub the meteor for another glowing object but maybe one that comes shooting into frame, stops, reverses direction & leaves? If all these cams can capture the fireballs & rockets - certainly ONE of them can capture a ball of light (I won't say close up, detailed craft because I gave up on that long ago) do what I just described.

Why would these cams be able to pick up the streaking meteor but not a streaking UFO that stops and/or changes direction/makes sharp angle turns?
First, because AAV's are nowhere as bright as meteors and AAVs don't leave huge swaths of brightly burning cinders and plasma blazing in the sky. Two, because AAVs are typically reported in the 30-50ft diameter range with very rare exceptions - and an object that size is virtually impossible to catch with any commonly available video camera at the typical kinds of sighting distances in the sky - which is usually on the scale of many miles. And three, they don't seem to perform these kinds of hairpin maneuvers at high speed that often, and when they do, they're generally quite far away and modern cameras just aren't good at long distances due to the limited resolution, limited light sensitivity, and virtually nonexistent autofocusing capabilities of the common camera (video cameras can only autofocus on objects that occupy a significant fraction of the field of view) - the human eye is vastly more capable in all of those categories than any smartphone.

As long as I've been studying this subject and talking with people about it, I've only talked with one other person who saw one of these craft execute the kind of hairpin acute-angle maneuver that you want to see. And only a handful of people I've chatted with have seen one of these things go from a dead stop to a rapid departure exhibiting near-instantaneous acceleration.

And here's the problem with that - until it moves you're not sure what you're looking at: is it a balloon, or an approaching aircraft, or the planet Venus? You don't know, and it doesn't seem worthy of attention. Then when the damn thing zips off at thousands of miles per hour, it's too late to catch it on film - you've missed your chance.

Nevertheless, some people have caught unidentified objects executing exotic maneuvers in the sky. I posted one such video at The Paracast. I'm sure that many other such videos are out there, but they're buried in the swamp of BS - kids trying out CGI and so forth and posting their results on YouTube to see if they can fool people. It's a lot of crap to sludge through, and you can never be sure that anything is legit, because any object in the sky that's more than a mile or two away, just looks like a blurry dot on smartphone footage.

However, lots of US jet interceptors are equipped with the kind of $3M gun camera pods with autotracking and autofocus capabilities that are required to clearly catch these things on video. They have that footage. The USS Nimitz CSG radar operator Trevor saw some of that gun camera footage, and he said that the object was very clearly visible, and leapt from one position to another so quickly that the camera couldn't catch the transition. God only knows how much footage like that the DoD has stashed away. Hopefully one day, they'll declassify some of it.

But until that day, I think it's very unlikely that we'll catch anything really compelling with the crappy capabilities of a smartphone camera, which are intentionally designed for taking great selfies...not clear long-range footage of a small speck in the sky executing crazy maneuvers. Smartphone cameras and security cams are simply the wrong tools for that job.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I am currently working on a simple prototype setup of two cammeras. I hope I've done mechanics.

One with wide lens, other with telephoto. Idea is to hook up wide angle lens to artificial intelligence / computer vision and once wide lens camera spots something in a sky it directs the telephoto lens cam to take high resolution image. As TRM said, one can't get many pixels from wide angle lens. That's why you need telephoto lens hooked up to wide.

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Both cameras have M12 mount, focal lenght of the lens on the right is 2.8mm (wide) and on the left is 25mm (medium telephoto). I have 50mm telephoto lens, just haven't mounted it for the pic.

This actually has some comercial potential as a "mugshot" camera. Most of security cameras are wide angle, so they can never properly capture enough pixels to make intruder's face recognisible. It telephoto lens is coupled in and if, with a help of computer vision, it zooms on intruder's face security ppl can get high-res "mugshot" that can help police indetify intruder.

As well, it could be used to monitor wildlife, like bird-watching (second most popular field sport in UK). One can take beautiful photos of birds on auto-pilot ;-). Even sold to military for AI sentry duty and threat indetification.

Maybe I should start a Patreon page :cool8:
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Forgot to say, in case somebody wants to do his version, both cameras were bought from OpenMV and are specially made for AI and Computer Vision. What is unique about OpenMV is that they give you all the computer vision algos, even one for recognizing birds and planes. So one can almost skip a steep learning curve for AI and get going faster.
 
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Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I don't really know, I am beginner in Computer Vision. There are different routes, OpenCV wth C++ with Pi is one. That's a good route because there are tons of support, but it is hard core because C++ is not easy to learn. If you go that route, than your main processor will do all the haeavy lifting.

OpenMV cams work on microPython, so all the work is done inside cam, less work for main processor. OpenMV cam can do all the crunching and send message to the main CPU: "It's a bird". Main processor can than decide what to do and manage other tasks. I am going with OpenMV cams + Odroid XU4 for main processor. Odroid XU4 has 8 processor cores, it's more powerfull than RasPi's 4 cores, but there is far less support. OpenMV cams support RasPi quite well.

But it is a very elegant project.

This is a typical M12 50mm lens. It's, at least, twice as big as 25mm or 2.8mm and they are around $35. Here is eBay search: M12 LENS 50MM

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There is some field of view compareson for different focal lenghts, going from 2.8mm to 25mm. 50mm is missing, but it would be half the area of the smalles rectangle.

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Whole setup, with cameras, lenses, main CPU etc is about $200-300 (parts only). Not cheap, not too expensive either.
 
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ChrisIB

Honorable
Details appreciated. Computer vision also learning curve for me, my day to day is C++ so this way I avoid Python (which was apparently named after Monty Python!).
Agree a dedicated cam CPU makes sense.
My thing is Windows apps so want to see if I can utilize it in a novel way.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
I don't know much either. You have lots of material on OpenMV's website, like how to train neural nets, how to recognize cats, dogs, planes etc. or how to follow line recognize april tags etc.

As for microPython vs. C++, I shouldn't worry about that. The main thing is to learn algos and the general mindset need for CV (computer vision). More solutions you can get off the shelf and spend time studying them the better. Once you cross the higher bar you can decide of the programming language.
 
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APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
....it is a model airplane type thing shaped round. But here's the point; lots of people use the excuse that its too hard to catch a flying saucer on camera via your iPhone/Android phone (even though it seems 90% of human beings now have a phone/camera in their pockets). Granted this was fake, but if flying saucer sightings as often as they are happening according to "Filers Files" - there should be 1000's of video's of similar quality as this one - but of a real flying saucer - especially our elusive "mile wide" flying saucer that seems to show up over populated areas yet not one cell phone, surveillance cam, home security cam, police dash cam, civilian dash cam can catch.

I Think Frieza Has Finally Arrived : UFOs

We worked a recent case in which witness saw a large flying saucer just above a street at 2:30 in the morning in a small city. Sadly, we couldn't get boots on the ground there expeditiously. However, we did our best to look for security or traffic cams, and there were none looking right at that spot. It's something we always look for, and we've talked to scores of credible witnesses who had cell phones but didn't get a shot off in time.

IMO, real sightings are rare, at least in terms of per square mile per year. We get tons of balloons, lens flares, Chinese lanterns, and birds. During my best daylight sighting, my cameras were in the house, and if I had run in there to grab it, the object would have been gone.

Just the other day, a C5 flew almost right over me as I was walking to my far, and by the time I was ready to shoot it was almost gone.
 

APIGuy

Independent Field Investigator
I am currently working on a simple prototype setup of two cammeras. I hope I've done mechanics.

One with wide lens, other with telephoto. Idea is to hook up wide angle lens to artificial intelligence / computer vision and once wide lens camera spots something in a sky it directs the telephoto lens cam to take high resolution image. As TRM said, one can't get many pixels from wide angle lens. That's why you need telephoto lens hooked up to wide.

Both cameras have M12 mount, focal lenght of the lens on the right is 2.8mm (wide) and on the left is 25mm (medium telephoto). I have 50mm telephoto lens, just haven't mounted it for the pic.

What size sensor is it for which 25mm is a telephoto?
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
OpenMV camera's sensor is 1/3", so all the lenses are for 1/3"

OpenMV now does FLIR version of the sensor, so one can couple not just telephoto, but near infra-red as well.

We worked a recent case in which witness saw a large flying saucer just above a street at 2:30 in the morning in a small city. Sadly, we couldn't get boots on the ground there expeditiously.

UFOs have a strong tendency to come back. One investigator in UK had seen 50 UFOs over 50 years, just by following up on cases she was called to attend.
 

Dejan Corovic

As above, so bellow
Just got her name. It was Margaret Fry. She had seen 50 UFOs over 50 years. She was the main inspiration for this device. Idea is to go to the location of sighting and, if possible, leave one of these to monitor sky for about a week or two.

With FLIR version of OpenMV night tracking would be possible.

Second inspiration was a frequent occurence of UFOs playing with chemtrails of passinger plaines and them peeking into passingers' cabin. YouTube Crow 777 has lots of such videos, but he used telescope.

Automating these two situations would yeld huge cashe of data. If enough enthusiasts installed these accross the country lots of the sky would be covered.
 
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Creepy Green Light

Don't mistake lack of talent for genius
We worked a recent case in which witness saw a large flying saucer just above a street at 2:30 in the morning in a small city. Sadly, we couldn't get boots on the ground there expeditiously. However, we did our best to look for security or traffic cams, and there were none looking right at that spot. It's something we always look for, and we've talked to scores of credible witnesses who had cell phones but didn't get a shot off in time.

IMO, real sightings are rare, at least in terms of per square mile per year. We get tons of balloons, lens flares, Chinese lanterns, and birds. During my best daylight sighting, my cameras were in the house, and if I had run in there to grab it, the object would have been gone.

Just the other day, a C5 flew almost right over me as I was walking to my far, and by the time I was ready to shoot it was almost gone.
Thanks for sharing. And I agree with just about everything you are saying & I am glad you are looking at these cams for any evidence/clues.
 
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