Ship & Aircraft Provocations

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  1. Toroid

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  2. Sheltie

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    Canada and Mexico are our favorite trade partners and guess what, China, they aren't threatening us militarily.
     
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  3. AD1184

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    They also do not have the power with which to threaten, so what of it? China does have the power, and power behaves somewhat like a gas, in that it expands to fill whatever will contain it.
     
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  4. nivek

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    Great statement and quite true...

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  5. Toroid

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    VIDEO: Russian jet intercepts US Navy aircraft in 'unsafe' encounter, uses afterburners over Black Sea

    www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4rPChBB_zk
     
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  6. AD1184

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    What interest does the US have in the Black Sea? If the Russian Navy was conducting signals reconnaissance flights in the Gulf of Mexico, you can bet that American planes would be intercepting them 'in an unsafe manner'. I think that the US military announces these supposedly heinous interceptions and certain outlets report on them with the expectation that those reading are not going to bother to look up where they happen on a map.
     
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  7. Shadowprophet

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    We have an insurance blanket with China, We owe them trillions of dollars. They are going to try everything to benefit financially from us before they try to attack us. An attack on the U.S from China would certainly do them no favors.

    I don't think China wants a conflict with America. Why would they want to spend vast amounts of finances to attack us when we already owe them so much? It's not logical.

    I agree these are a sign of hostility and disrespect though. Maybe it's just China being pissy about all the money we owe them.
     
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  8. Toroid

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  10. pigfarmer

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    Strategically I highly doubt we have to worry about a Sino-American war (another one anyway ....). But on a tactical level I could see our ships and planes engaged in a firefight, collision, incident of some sort. A lot of that happened with reconnaissance ships and planes during the Cold War and a fair number of lives were lost. It went largely unreported to avoid wider conflict. Almost impossible to do these days.

    Lately it seems our ships have been blundering into things without provocation at all. Disturbing.
     
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  11. Shadowprophet

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    I've had a lot of time to think about this, And you're right, Even though as a nation we owe China trillions of dollars, We are still their biggest market. I'm almost certain China would do anything within its power to keep its western market open now that I give it thought. we may owe them trillions of dollars, But for all the money China has, they would go bankrupt almost overnight without Europe and American income flowing in.
     
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  12. nivek

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    We as a nation do not...Most US debt is owed to the Federal Reserve, 'we' owe china about 1.6 trillion, less than 20 percent of the total debt...

    National debt of the United States - Wikipedia

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  13. Shadowprophet

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    I had no idea, I knew our national debt was like in the trillions, I assumed it was all to China. Still, I don't know how everyone else parents and grandparents raised them. But my grandparents passed down this viewpoint, A person in debt cannot be wealthy because any money he or she owns belongs to someone else.

    I mean don't get me wrong, I am in debt, Things like student loans and medical surgery bills, Unavoidable things. But as a whole, I try my best to avoid debt at all costs.

    I know everyone will have a different view, But, I would rather do without something than owe someone else for that thing. I've always been that way, Because Debt, Largely, isn't just money, I will give you an example and I think it will apply to the political scene as well. let's say, I owed someone like five grand. This person shows up to my home demanding something of me, Logically, it wouldn't be prudent to say no or deny this person because I owe them so much, Debt can be a foggy unclear thing.

    As with China, China probably expects political favors from us because we owe them over a trillion dollars. So, basically, When someone is in debt, They aren't truly Free. I avoid debt whenever I can, So this is what blows me away about our National Debt, We aren't truly our own free nation, because all these other nations we owe money too expect privilege from us.
     
  14. pigfarmer

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    I know it's a cliche but if you owe somebody a thousand dollars you have a problem. You owe somebody a trillion dollars they have the problem....
     
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  15. AD1184

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    The US government owes most of the debt to itself, or to the people of America. You paid Social Security which was supposed to be for particular services that the government was to provide to those who paid in to it, but the government took this money and used it for general spending, giving you all an IOU. Therefore Social Security is in actuality income tax by another name.

    There is a similar sort of thing in this country with what we call National Insurance. Both schemes seemed like a good idea, but our governments could not resist these vast sums of money just sitting around waiting to be claimed at a later date, and so they helped themselves to them.
     
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    When we were patrolling the Red Sea enforcing the embargo against Iraq - we would intercept any north bound cargo ships to make sure they weren't sneaking supplies into Iraq. So we would fly a race track pattern around them as I rigged their ship (taking photos in certain positions for our intelligence guy) & got the name off the back and we would look up where the ship is from. It wasn't uncommon to see a name on the back of the ship painted over with a false name. So as we are flying over them we'd ask what their port of origin is, their destination, & their cargo." Mostly all ships would comply and for those who didn't - we had a destroyer code named Red Crown that would intercept the ship to get the information. But when we'd fly over Chinese ships you would constantly hear "F-you yankee. F George Bush, etc." They didn't like to play nice.

    And here's a video showing how close Russian (and Chinese) fighters get to our aircraft. After seeing this video it's easier to understand how a Chinese MiG drifted into the prop arc of the #1 engine with the pilot getting killed.

     
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    U.S. warns merchant ships of possible Iranian attacks in Middle East - Reuters
     
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  20. pigfarmer

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    B-52s and Tu-142s still out there making political statements well into their 5th and 6th decades of service.

    The Italians can be tough customers and nobody to trifle with. I didn't know they were in Iceland but it gives me the warm fuzzy to now know they are. Wonder if they've seen any tic tacs?

    If the Iranians are feeling froggy I say 'jump'
     
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