Skinwalkers at the Pentagon

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    Anybody else reading this?

    I'm maybe half way through and something occurred to me, something I wanted to toss out here. Don't want to drop too many spoilers but there is a discussion of how events at Skinwalker Ranch and elsewhere can follow a person home. They create poltergeist-like activity and there are reports of cryptids, structured craft, etc. The author(s) compare that to the spread of contagious infection and suggested that the well established modeling tools from that field be applied to this weird ****. They provide an example of another more prosaic subject where those same tools were found to be useful. Well, OK. Sounds cool to me but I am just a nitwit in his jammies.

    I remember the wiki entry about Lue Elizondo when the story first broke being very different than what it is now; complete with a picture of him in full uniform and reference to his career which had something to do with biowarfare or immunology or the like before he moved into the intelligence sector. Kelleher is a professional with a background in technical program management. Interesting how a research molecular biologist became involved with a counterintelligence agent with a background in microbiology, immunology and parasitology to study UFOs, cattle mutilations and so forth.

    The health effects of those who have experienced strange encounters was one of the things DIA specifically contracted BAASS to study. Seems that a witness or part of their immediate circle of friends and family developing some sort of autoimmune disease is common and that all continue to experience strange phenomena years later.

    Who knows. here's a few things I wanted to kick around:

    > I recently have been looking into mediums and have been referred to the Windbridge Institute. Been looking to find a 'real' one if that's possible and believe this is a better place to start than some others I can think of. I remembered that their findings indicate that those with ability suffer a higher statistical rate of autoimmune diseases.
    Major Findings to Date – Windbridge Research Center
    Survey findings have demonstrated that mediums have a significantly higher incidence of autoimmune diseases and a significantly higher general disease burden than do non-mediums

    > I also remember Greg Valdez's Dulce Base The Truth and Evidence from the Case Files of Gabe Valdez and his discussion of cattle mutilations. Specifically that the animals targeted were from herds that have remained comparatively stationary in an area rather than those who are regularly driven to and fro.

    > I am also aware of Project Jennifer Project Jennifer / Hughes Glomar Explorer
    A very, very long story but that's the 'truth' that got leaked to the press about a sunken Soviet sub and hell, there are History Channel documentaries on it. Thing is, it is becoming increasingly apparent that was a useful partly true cover story used to mask something else with deep national security and capability connections. Credible reporters were given highly credible accounts from highly placed credible people who in fact considered them 'useful idiots' to control the message.

    > We've also just been through this damned pandemic and I can't help but wonder if what we are seeing in the media is the Project Jennifer of its day and wonder what the real story is and why it involves microbiologists and immunologists and the DIA and cattle.

    Something just doesn't add up. How can you have all this secret stuff wind up being bad documentaries and have books written and all that?


    Colm A. Kelleher
    Colm A. Kelleher, Ph.D., is a biochemist with a fifteen-year research career in cell and molecular biology. Following his Ph.D. in biochemistry from the University of Dublin, Trinity College in 1983, Kelleher worked at the Ontario Cancer Institute, the Terry Fox Cancer Research Laboratory, and the National Jewish Center for Immunology and Respiratory Medicine. For the past eight years he has worked as project manager and team leader at a private research institute, using forensic science methodology to unravel scientific anomalies.

    This man ran the Pentagon's secretive UFO programme for a decade. We had some questions
    Before you were approached to be part of AATIP, you were a counterintelligence special agent hunting terrorists and drug traffickers. Why did they approach you?

    I have no idea. I think probably because I wasn’t prone to any flights of fancy. I wasn’t a particular fan of science fiction. I do have some background in advanced aerospace technology. When I was a young special agent, I did “tech protect” [counterintelligence work to stop US technology from falling into enemy hands] of advanced avionics and my background was a scientist. At university, I had three majors: microbiology, immunology and parasitology.
     
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    All I want to throw in, as far as throwing goes, is that it is a well known and documented that XXXX's ( can't remember billionaire's name for a moment ) employees who work at Skinwalker Ranch are milking him. Its so bad that he himself knows about it and he keeps doing it.

    Lets say I declare that I'll pay anyone who sees strange and impossible to prove thing. How many requests for payment do you think I'll get. That's why nobody pays UFO witnesses.
     
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    The current owner you're talking about? Brandon Fugal has an interesting profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/brandon-fugal-7a0a8b

    I am having a hard time seeing how a place that was so weird that DIA studied it at some length and cost, that supposedly created conditions that followed visitors home and plagued them for years, is somehow now in the media and has flies like Jeremy Corbell buzzing around it. He's also making himself heard in connection to the encounters with Navy destroyers.

    When I look at the UAP Task Force and whatever they have termed the new internal DoD organization dedicated to this what I see is strict control being clamped on to the topic, not disclosure or a serious desire to inform the public. A show, a distraction - like Corbell, Knapp, Fugal and the rest. BTW - I like George Knapp, he's a pro. Doesn't mean I necessarily believe him about this though. He might be the new 'useful idiot' and Skinwalker Ranch the Glomar Explorer. or whatever, I ain't buying it.

    Project Jennifer was a distraction used because the real story was in danger of being compromised. The real story wasn't just one thing is was a collection of top level national interest items that, if exposed, would have revealed technical and information collection capabilities that were just too sensitive. It too generated public interest, books, shows and what needed to be kept quiet was until fairly recently and only had a passing resemblance to what really happened and why. A familiar framework
     
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  5. Skepticide123

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    The whole thing is a rerun of the '50s and '60s with Hillenkoetter and Keyhoe and others trying to get the truth out and have hearings. The establishment and those in the know didn't want to talk about it --and don't now, but they are being forced to --as before, by the phenomenon itself, which never went away... The naval stuff --the fighter encounters, the sightings by the devices in restricted airspace, over nuke sites is déjà vu all over again. Many debunkers seem completely unaware of the historicity of the phenomenon, or totally unwilling to look at it--apparently preferring to move forward blindly, while ignoring witness testimony, and thus their analyses are slow motion train wrecks, and are constantly being revised as new data comes out. People have managed to put the UFO events out of their minds and things never reached critical mass with the public due to the type of asymmetric contact we have had; not enough to cause a tipping point. This only kind of contact we can have without causing problems, and if you look at the number of encounters over time --it is actually a lot of contact via these devices / objects. The intensity of the contact is up to the intelligence behind it. We'll see what happens --and if the phenomenon responds to more transparency and makes more frequent and different kinds of contact.
     
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    I don't think whoever or whatever is behind some of this has much interest in initiating contact. Anybody ever read Harry Harrison's Deathworld trilogy ? No spoilers but I can't help but think the true nature of Pyrrus might be a useful description for at least some of this stuff.

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    I've not read it! What is the plot?
     
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    I love Harry Harrison books. Pyrrus is a heavy gravity planet inhabited by a group of people that have to take extraordinary measures to defend themselves against the native flora and fauna which evolves rapidly to become increasingly inimical to them. Thing is, there are groups of humans that live in the wild without weapons and have found a way to communicate telepathically with their environment and live in peace. Ultimately they find the source and in the context of this thread it would be a sort of crypoterrestrial that is behind it all. Something ancient that's been there all along that gives back what it gets similar to a body fighting off an infection with antibodies.

    Skinwalkers at the Pentagon and the experiences they have there (and those they bring home) reminds me of the 'junkmen' in the book. So impressed with their technology and perceived superiority that they are specifically targeted.
     
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  9. Skepticide123

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    Humans as a terminal infection? Yeah.. If the shoe fits....
     
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    That's probably how Mother Gaia see it - an itchy pestilence. Earth could easily shrug off every trace that we ever existed and continue being a planet teeming with life.

    I don't think that BASS or anyone else is going to find an entrance to the secret lair of the crypoterrestrials running the show under Skinwalker. Factor in the cattle mutilations and I bet we'll find out that one aspect of what's going on is nothing esoteric, my guess is it's an unpleasant long term effect of Who Knows What they have been testing out in the middle of nowhere for decades. Cancer rates among native populations run much higher than the statistical norm. Maybe the cows are an indicator. That's about what Greg Valdez had to say about it.

    Also read somewhere that one of the big secrets of Area 51 isn't Element 115 or reverse engineered flying saucers it's toxic waste. They had been burning it off by the ton because they had to get rid of it and they could get away with it out there. I doubt anything good results from that sort of thing.
     
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    I agree that nothing UFO related is probably going on at Area 51, and I don't believe Bob Lazar. There may be debris at Wright Patterson AFB or in the hands of private aerospace companies. I lean toward an anomalous explanation for animal / cattle mutilations, but concede that there could be a mundane, if very unpleasant explanation for them; we need to understand what is going on with those.
     
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    Finished Skinwalkers at the Pentagon.
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    It might be the most accurate account of AAWSAP and BASS I've seen and it certainly casts a broad net to include all aspects of ufology or more accurately, phenomenology (if that's a word) . It does absolutely nothing to illuminate Lue Elizondo's story other than to place him in the pantheon of characters.

    Having a hard time understanding how sooper-dooper top level secret stuff and the clever people that go along with all that wind up in books, tv shows and bad documentaries. All this seems a bit too well crafted for public consumption, but that's just my subjective opinion. I'd simply caution that while it has tantalizing bits don't be so quick to swallow it hook, line and sinker.

    Easy read, probably worth the time and a couple of bucks just because I enjoyed the first book. But if you think it'll provide any clarity or eliminate confusion then nope, not so much.
     
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