Solar becomes Law in California

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  1. 3FEL9

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    California to require solar panels on most new homes

    It's the first state where the renewable energy is mandatory.


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    There's no question that solar power is entering the mainstream, but California is about to give it a giant boost. The state's Energy Commission is expected to approve new energy standards that would require solar panels on the roofs of nearly all new homes, condos and apartment buildings from 2020 onward. There will be exemptions for homes that either can't fit solar panels or would be blocked by taller buildings or trees, but you'll otherwise have to go green if your property is brand new.

    The plan doesn't require that a home reach net-zero status (where the solar power completely offsets the energy consumed in a year). However, it does provide "compliance credits" for homebuilders who install storage batteries like Tesla's Powerwall, letting them build smaller panel arrays knowing that excess energy will be available to use off-hours.

    The new standards are poised to hike construction costs by $25,000 to $30,000 (about half of which is directly due to solar), but the self-produced energy is estimated to save owners $50,000 to $60,000 in operating costs over the solar technology's expected 25-year lifespan.

    Short of a surprise rejection at the Energy Commission's May 9th vote, this will make California the first state to have a solar panel requirement. It's relatively easy to do this in the region given California's abundance of warm, sunny days and high real estate prices -- it's hard to see this happening in the American Midwest, where winter and lower home prices could make solar decidedly less practical. Critics have complained that this could make California's housing shortage worse by pricing people out of those homes that are available, and note that most people in the state only really draw on non-renewable energy when they come home from work and strain the electrical grid.

    Even so, this could change the landscape for both California's energy and the market as a whole. Right now, no more than 20 percent of new single-family homes in California include solar power. Boost that by five times and that's a lot more business for panel makers and installers. That, in turn, could reduce the costs of panels and make solar more affordable in many places, not just in California or even the US.

    California to require solar panels on most new homes
     
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  2. nivek

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    It's interesting that with all the extreme policies limiting pollution and well, just about everything in California, yet that State has the 5 most heavily polluted cities in the country...
     
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    Has to do with the volume of cars on their roads and in the cities. If everyone used MTB there would be 0 fat ppl around and they would be on the top 5 cleanest instead..

    Next year: MTBs become Law in California :D
     
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  6. AlterEgo

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    They want everyone to capture photons now

    I cant say they're wrong

    Theres plenty falling down from the sky

    I prefer neutrinos

    They come all time. Even at nights
     
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  7. 3FEL9

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    I wonder if Trump can stop them ?
     
  8. nivek

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    Why would he?...
     
  9. 3FEL9

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    Its a huge threath to the U.S fossil fuel industry.. I.E coal & oil

    If it turns out OK, that will put a dent in their foundation ..

    Trump has declared he will protect them, so..

    Greenunist liberal California is becoming a sharp thorn in his side
     
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    California has been a Thorne in America's side for many years, it's becoming a cesspool of filth, crime, and drugs because of their socialist ways...You will see many changes in California in the next 10 to 20 years, they cannot continue to go the path they are on...I'm not referring just to renewable energies but across the board...
     
  11. CasualBystander

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    It is kind of dumb.

    California is already having to dump solar power it can't use.

    Beyond 15% solar penetration it becomes a problem because of the duck curve.

    But California housing is already so expensive that solar panels on the roof aren't a big percentage of the home cost.

    What this will do is double or triple the power cost for people without solar. Who tend to be poorer.

    This just creates an artificial demand for Chinese solar panels and Musk batteries.
     
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  12. 3FEL9

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    I think you dont like California
     
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    Then they will dump even more. Some of it will reach the east coast

    The spot prices on elec. will go down - not up

    There are a few US manufacturers.. remaining ?

    No need for musk batteries - Grid Tie

    Back to you

    Ps. Explain the goose curve
     
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    I lived in San Diego for 8 years and loved it, but now it's a shithole, they have ruined it all...
     
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    Grid Tie is part of what creates the problem. The other consumers have to pay to buy power that can't be used, and isn't there when it is most needed.

    Solar is available at the wrong time. Solar stops when demand peaks.

    This requires running generation facilities at idle then ramping them rapidly.

    None of the existing generation assets can be used efficiently - which further drives up power cost.

    The people who claim solar makes sense beyond a 15% diversification of the power base are just nuts or lying.

    And in any area north or cloudier than the American Southwest (which is semi-arid) solar power doesn't make sense - as proven by Germany.
     
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  16. 3FEL9

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    Well, U got a point there.. Nuclear plants must be run pretty much full speed ahead for economical and technical reasons.
    Hydro can be regulated more easily.

    California needs to set up powerful inter-state powerlines to balance and share its production US wide..
    Or run its hydro stations in reverse daytime
     
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    There is a difference between hydro and pumped storage.

    Besides - even if they could - people would go nuts if the rivers ran dry daily at noon.
     
  18. 3FEL9

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    OK. Lets make water instead then. Reverse osmosis is a very power hungry process. Problem solved.
     
  19. AlterEgo

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    You left in time. Good
     
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    and how is this bad? oil is an crime angaist humanity
     

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