the 2020 election

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  1. nivek

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  2. nivek

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    Vote in person, problem solved...

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  3. AlienView

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    It's like Russian Roulette - The virus is everywhere and nobody knows for sure who is carrying it.

    The more people you come in contact with, the greater the odds of exposure.

    I'm at risk on two counts - Many people are at risk on one or more counts {age and/or underlying conditions].

    One can somewhat limit the risk - But the safest way would be for everyone to vote by mail.

    They have ways of validating votes by mail - And all the experts claim voter fraud by mail is rare.

    Voter suppression, on the other hand is common.

    Trump knows the people who are now struggling to survive will not have the time to vote, though they
    probalbly still could vote by mail - applies to old people, people who are disabled and people who have any
    number of underlying medial conditions - And often are under insured medically.

    Trump knows this and knows he would lose if the full electorate of the United States were allowed to vote.

    He lost the last election by 3 million votes to Hillary Clinton nationally but still won the electorial vote.
    - I predict he won't be so lucky this time, even if he succeeds in suppressing the mail in votes.
     
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  4. AlienView

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    10 Voter Fraud Lies Debunked

    "GET THE FACTS: American elections are clean and trustworthy despite what President Trump and others claim."

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    Mail voting has taken on new importance as a crucial strategy for protecting voters’ safety amid the Covid-19 pandemic. As if on cue, President Trump and his surrogates have claimed that mail voting is rife with fraud, and that efforts to expand access to mail voting — like Michigan's, for example — are illegitimate. That is incorrect: as the Brennan Center has explained, fraud in mail voting remains extremely rare, and none of the states that hold their elections primarily by mail have had voter fraud scandals since implementing the systems.

    These claims of widespread fraud are nothing more than old wine in new bottles. President Trump and his allies have long claimed, without evidence, that different aspects of our elections are infected with voter fraud. Before mail voting, they pushed similar false narratives about noncitizen voting, voter impersonation, and double voting in order to enact laws that reduce turnout and discredit adverse election results.

    Here are 10 of the most egregious voter fraud claims of the past five years............."

    10 Voter Fraud Lies Debunked
     
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  5. Zeke

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    Well this is only the first election cycle I've been involved in (support for Tulsi Gabbard publicly). I live here so the decisions do have a ripple affect on me - and Poland/ rest of the world for that matter. What I discovered how things work and how the system is set up, is very alarming and shocking tbh. I used to think growing up the POTUS was the smartest guy in the world too, so we discover the realities of life with age.

    That's what exercise, meditation, cannabis and message boards are for!
     
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  6. Zeke

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    Yeah this is very audacious, I'd be surprised if there's no legal consequences for the "Postmaster General" or his mob boss.

    Internal USPS Documents Outline Plans to Hobble Mail Sorting
     
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  7. AlienView

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    Remember the American mobster John Gotti, the "Teflon Don" ???

    Donald Trump is the 'Teflon President".

    Every exposure about Trump during the 2016 Election did nothing - He still won the Electorial state vote
    and the Presidency.

    The Democrats attempt to impeach him was a lesson in futility.

    I believe that unless Trump loses by a landslide, he will not accept losing and if voter suppers ion of
    mail in votes fails and he loses - He will claim fraud and attempt to nullify the election.

    Trump has expressed admiration for the dictators of North Korea, Russia and China
    - Here he was being honest as I'm really getting to think he is capable of making himself
    Dictator in Chief.

    Still, I don't necessarily support Joe Biden - Except maybe by default.
     
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  8. nivek

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    People used to say that about Obama, thinking Obama would do something to stay in power, I think its all silly honestly, when his term is up whether this election or the next, he will step down just like Obama did...

    The electoral vote is the ONLY vote that matters and must be the only one that matters, the popular vote (mob rules) is irrelevant...

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  9. Zeke

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    Biden won't be President for long if he wins. This is to get Harris in, which was planned originally.

    "Kamala Harris, her entire job is become President to take out revenge on Vladimir Putin [and Trump?] for Hillary Clinton.. Cherry-picked to be basically her successor."

    "Biden will step down first term the second or third year.." - Kim Iverson

     
  10. nivek

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    A lot of speculation here, however the liberal socialists knows their advantages to mail in voting as well...Regardless of this, we still go to the grocery and other stores for food and supplies, we go to the gas pumps for fuel, voting is also an essential activity and the voting booths can be set up to minimize virus exposure just lime everywhere else we have to drive to...There is absolutely no excuse for not voting in person...IMO

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  11. nivek

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    Trump vs. Dems on mail-in voting — here is the truth the left doesn't want you to know

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    Swirling and sudden concerns about the United States Postal Service (USPS) have arisen from Democrats who are wildly accusing President Trump of cheating and manipulating the Postal Service in his favor.

    Democrats forget to mention the president is more than an arms-length away from how we vote, and the Postal Service is not under the thumb of his control.

    No doubt President Trump has expressed deep concerns about the validity of the ballots, and rightfully so. Sending out millions of ballots without authenticating the inbound ballots is ripe for massive fraud. Democrats have desperately been seeking to legalize “ballot harvesting” (the collection and submission of ballots by someone other than the voter and without authentication) and other nefarious activities.

    It must be noted elections in the United States are administered by counties and certified by states. In other words, per the United States Constitution, elections are run locally and not by the executive branch of the federal government. The president has simply sought fair elections.

    Ironically, it is House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s H.R. 1 that seeks to federalize elections and give the president power he doesn’t currently have now. Her solution would create the problem she inaccurately blames Trump for today.

    Pelosi, D-Calif., this week is seeking emergency hearings, not on COVID-19 relief, but on the USPS and their ability to deliver, of course blaming President Trump, even to the point of cheating. She cares about power and elections.

    The president of the United States does not control the operations of the Postal Service nor does he select or appoint the Postmaster General. The Board of Governors does both of these things. The Postal Regulatory Commission sets rates, service levels and decides on postal closings, not the president.

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  12. AlienView

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    So why am I not watching the Democratic convention?

    Whatever I say about Trump trying to rig the election his way,

    I still can't stand the Liberal Democratic [now socialist/communist} party of today
    - A party drivin by 'control freak' ideology.

    If the Democrats win the Presidency and the two house of Congress, forget about the Second Amendment
    - And if the Second Amendment goes, the rest of the Constitution will soon be unrecognizable.

    Still, I had hopes that Trump was going to be unifying force in this country - On that count he has failed..

    I am now registered as an independent - Maybe I'll vote for some no chance of winning party like
    the Libertarians, if I vote at all.
     
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  13. nivek

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    The tempo and energy in that convention was wholly anti-trump, all bashing and hatred for the man but they gave no alternative plans, no alternative ideas, no outline for moving forward if Biden wins, nothing but trump bashing and trump hatred...That has convinced me I'm either voting for trump or a libertarian alternative, Biden will not get my vote...

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  14. Standingstones

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    It’s true that the Democrats bashed Trump. Unfortunately our president is a chronic liar. Even the former generals in his cabinet, Mattis and Kelly do not have kind words for our president. Trump dislikes Blacks, Muslims, Gays and likes to demean women. He has decided he won’t deal with the Covid pandemic while thousands die. I won’t be surprised if he has to be physically removed from office come January 2021.
     
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  15. nivek

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    They all are, even the liberal socialists who continually bash him...

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  16. pigfarmer

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    I should give you my brother's phone #. He likes to tell me he doesn't talk politics and then proceeds to pummel me with whatever his TV has been on about most recently.

    DT's no prize but there is a gap between what he really is and what we are being told he is every day, all day, ad nauseum. It's giving me an upset tummy. Can I have my Soma instead please?
     
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  17. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Who do you mean when you say "liberal socialists?" Because nobody in the Democratic Party leadership is either liberal or socialist. Pelosi and Biden and Harris and Schumer and all the rest of the sludge running the Dem party are corrupt right-wing warmongering capitalists to the core. The Democrats have supported every illegal mass murder operation in our lifetimes - liberals oppose war. The Democrats aren't liberal. Biden and Hellary Clinton and Pelosi and all the rest of those maggots oppose universal healthcare and universal higher education - so they're not socialists. Instead, they made Bush's tax cuts for the rich permanent, and expanded Bush's two illegal and disastrous regime change operations to seven.

    Nobody with any power in our government is either liberal or a democratic socialist. That's the problem: nobody opposes mass murder for profit, and nobody has the balls to go against the billionaire psychopaths that now completely control every lever of power in this country. Democrats and Republicans are both right-wing. The only difference I can see between them, frankly, is that the Democrats pretend to care about the working class while sliding a shiv between their ribs, and the Republicans don't even pretend to represent the working class - they're full-throated puppets of the aristocracy.

    Both parties are our enemies. Our government has been totally usurped by the billionaire class, and it's not an accident that we never get a chance to vote against them.
     
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  18. The shadow

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  19. Standingstones

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    I have no need to speak to your brother or yourself about politics. I find both parties corrupt.
     
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  20. nivek

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    We do agree on that..I decided for better or worse I'm voting Libertarian once more in this election cycle, meet Jo Jorgensen...

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    Jo Jorgensen will represent the Libertarian Party on the November presidential ballot.

    Legalize all recreational drugs, let individuals decide about wearing face masks and end all foreign military entanglements, Libertarian presidential nominee Jo Jorgensen says.

    That's the "issues" side of the candidate, who recalls some of her views taking shape as she was growing up in Grayslake, participating in 4H and marching in her high school band in the 1970s.

    Jorgensen, 63, now lives in South Carolina and has a doctorate in industrial psychology, was a tech entrepreneur and teaches college students.

    She dove into the 2020 race with Republican President Donald Trump and Democratic nominee and former Vice President Joe Biden because "government's too big, too noisy, too intrusive. It hurts those it tries to help," she told the Daily Herald.

    She cites as an example the Food and Drug Administration, which is "so bloated by red tape," Jorgensen said. "It creates huge obstacles in bringing new drugs to the market" and is costly, hampering efforts to fight COVID-19, she said.

    Jorgensen was born in 1957 at Condell Memorial Hospital in Libertyville and grew up in Grayslake.

    "We were typical 1960s 'free-range' children," she said, recalling riding her bike to Woodview Elementary School and cutting across the frozen lake in winter. "I literally walked through a cornfield to get to Grayslake Junior High School."

    At then-Grayslake Community High School, Jorgensen was "anti-political," objecting to student council because it reminded her of George Orwell's "Animal Farm" -- "an elite making decisions for everybody else."

    She said that's the problem with America now, adding, "I don't care if it's Trump or (Speaker Nancy) Pelosi."

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