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Gambeir
Celestial
UFO Patents
First off, I apologize for these confusing posts, these long ass posts, but I can think of no simple way to explain what I think is a logical answer to OP's initial post.
These posts have not been intended to be comprehensible as single posts, but will hopefully become building blocks, and which lead towards the idea that most UFO's are not alien ships. I don't believe that the vehicles I've seen with my own eyes are alien ships, and so how can I conclude that what others have seen have been alien ships either?
Why don't we have any real physical evidence as OP demands? Because they aren't alien ships is my answer, and those that have been are quickly sweep up and put under the carpet. Problematic people holding evidence are not bought off, they are eliminated, and the materials they were holding are taken.
I conclude that antigravity technology has been with us for a long time and has evolved over time. If by seeing this as a viable truth, we are then compelled to draw the only reasonable conclusion possible, and which has to be that there is a secret civilization which holds us all hostage. That much I have already concluded for myself, but now the question for my own self is who is controlling this civilization?
It's obvious that the Germans pioneered this technology, but with the collapse of the Third Reich the only people who had access to this information, and whom worked on the secret projects, often as slaves, were in fact Jews. These were the only people who were left standing, often completely alone as their former tormentors ran for the hills as the American and Soviet tanks closed in. Anyone whose examined the last Global War in detail knows that throughout the war the Jewish Community maintained a covert and extensive system of intelligence and information awareness. Logic has to say that the ranking leadership of that religious order knew everything. With the collapse of the Third Reich came a free for all grab and run global theft program, but who was ahead of all the others in this grab and run program? Who ends up finally being handed over a tiny sliver of land to establish their supposedly God given right to a supposed piece of holy land and why? You think that the triumphant allies did that out of good will, or because they were compelled to do it? Power concedes nothing without exchange.
Now If you look at the history of physics a great alteration to scientific thought was undertaken in the late 1930's, and there emerged a cult of physicists whom began re-defining physics into a mystical realm with quantum physics. It is no exaggeration to say that in many instances one need only replace the word quantum with the word magic to read the exact same outcome. That's not science, it's magical thinking. Why did this take place? Who were the people leading this change?
You cannot look at World War II and at the intelligences, the great minds whom were behind the creation of this pesudo science that precedes the beginning of that global holocaust and then come up with any logical answer. It was a conspiracy because these people were brilliant. None of them could have missed what I've just said; that quantum physics is based upon a magical progression of thoughts to explain the unknown. I have to conclude that this change came about under guidance.
It's now been 72 years since Nazi Germany succumbed. The before and after world of those few short years brought technological changes previously undreamed of. The people whom ended up in possession of all the most secret Nazi Projects were the Jews whom took that information with them to their new home. They may have even taken machines.
Afterwards, this realization of what had been lost brought with it a need to hide all truths involving UFO's, along with a mad scramble to re-create or re-invent the technology that the Jewish State was actively demonstrating to the rest of the world, because not only had the Jewish State captured the UFO technology, but they had also taken with them the knowledge of atomic weapons.
The official story is that the United States first used atomic weapons, but that story has been questioned and there is evidence that the Nazi's used a low grade atomic weapon on the Soviets, and had developed a simplified production technique to produce the required materials to make atomic bombs. Dr. Joseph Farrell, whom many here are aware of, lays out a good case showing that the United States atomic bomb project was a failure, and that the bombs used on the Japanese were only made possible because of captured detonators taken from a captured Nazi U-boat. Possibly even the materials to make the bombs themselves!
This would mean that the entire story we've all been sold is a complete lie. It means that the only people with atomic weapon technology were in fact the Jewish State. What buttresses this idea is the next idiocy to come along which is the trial and execution of the Rosenbergs, whom were Jews, on the basis that they were Soviet Spys stealing atomic bomb secrets. Now by all accounts these two were sent to their deaths based upon their drawing of the atomic bomb, and which consisted literally of drawing depicting a circle! Now that just doesn't add up too well.
In conclusion, over the last 70 years we have been exposed to more UFO's than the entire previous history of humanity, and over the last 70 years we have seen the ever changing shapes and forms of UFO's which logic should say would follow advances in knowledge. What's more likely is what I now ask? That the majority of UFO's are man made, or that they are aliens? Given the history I have to conclude they are machines built by humans.
First off, I apologize for these confusing posts, these long ass posts, but I can think of no simple way to explain what I think is a logical answer to OP's initial post.
These posts have not been intended to be comprehensible as single posts, but will hopefully become building blocks, and which lead towards the idea that most UFO's are not alien ships. I don't believe that the vehicles I've seen with my own eyes are alien ships, and so how can I conclude that what others have seen have been alien ships either?
Why don't we have any real physical evidence as OP demands? Because they aren't alien ships is my answer, and those that have been are quickly sweep up and put under the carpet. Problematic people holding evidence are not bought off, they are eliminated, and the materials they were holding are taken.
I conclude that antigravity technology has been with us for a long time and has evolved over time. If by seeing this as a viable truth, we are then compelled to draw the only reasonable conclusion possible, and which has to be that there is a secret civilization which holds us all hostage. That much I have already concluded for myself, but now the question for my own self is who is controlling this civilization?
It's obvious that the Germans pioneered this technology, but with the collapse of the Third Reich the only people who had access to this information, and whom worked on the secret projects, often as slaves, were in fact Jews. These were the only people who were left standing, often completely alone as their former tormentors ran for the hills as the American and Soviet tanks closed in. Anyone whose examined the last Global War in detail knows that throughout the war the Jewish Community maintained a covert and extensive system of intelligence and information awareness. Logic has to say that the ranking leadership of that religious order knew everything. With the collapse of the Third Reich came a free for all grab and run global theft program, but who was ahead of all the others in this grab and run program? Who ends up finally being handed over a tiny sliver of land to establish their supposedly God given right to a supposed piece of holy land and why? You think that the triumphant allies did that out of good will, or because they were compelled to do it? Power concedes nothing without exchange.
Now If you look at the history of physics a great alteration to scientific thought was undertaken in the late 1930's, and there emerged a cult of physicists whom began re-defining physics into a mystical realm with quantum physics. It is no exaggeration to say that in many instances one need only replace the word quantum with the word magic to read the exact same outcome. That's not science, it's magical thinking. Why did this take place? Who were the people leading this change?
You cannot look at World War II and at the intelligences, the great minds whom were behind the creation of this pesudo science that precedes the beginning of that global holocaust and then come up with any logical answer. It was a conspiracy because these people were brilliant. None of them could have missed what I've just said; that quantum physics is based upon a magical progression of thoughts to explain the unknown. I have to conclude that this change came about under guidance.
It's now been 72 years since Nazi Germany succumbed. The before and after world of those few short years brought technological changes previously undreamed of. The people whom ended up in possession of all the most secret Nazi Projects were the Jews whom took that information with them to their new home. They may have even taken machines.
Afterwards, this realization of what had been lost brought with it a need to hide all truths involving UFO's, along with a mad scramble to re-create or re-invent the technology that the Jewish State was actively demonstrating to the rest of the world, because not only had the Jewish State captured the UFO technology, but they had also taken with them the knowledge of atomic weapons.
The official story is that the United States first used atomic weapons, but that story has been questioned and there is evidence that the Nazi's used a low grade atomic weapon on the Soviets, and had developed a simplified production technique to produce the required materials to make atomic bombs. Dr. Joseph Farrell, whom many here are aware of, lays out a good case showing that the United States atomic bomb project was a failure, and that the bombs used on the Japanese were only made possible because of captured detonators taken from a captured Nazi U-boat. Possibly even the materials to make the bombs themselves!
This would mean that the entire story we've all been sold is a complete lie. It means that the only people with atomic weapon technology were in fact the Jewish State. What buttresses this idea is the next idiocy to come along which is the trial and execution of the Rosenbergs, whom were Jews, on the basis that they were Soviet Spys stealing atomic bomb secrets. Now by all accounts these two were sent to their deaths based upon their drawing of the atomic bomb, and which consisted literally of drawing depicting a circle! Now that just doesn't add up too well.
In conclusion, over the last 70 years we have been exposed to more UFO's than the entire previous history of humanity, and over the last 70 years we have seen the ever changing shapes and forms of UFO's which logic should say would follow advances in knowledge. What's more likely is what I now ask? That the majority of UFO's are man made, or that they are aliens? Given the history I have to conclude they are machines built by humans.
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Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
gamby.....your responses are in bold....mine are not.
These early UFO's almost have to be combinations of known aerodynamics such as the coanda effect, and likely mixed with other ideas, any number of which would be workable for the time period given the resources of a nation state like say Nazi Germany.
Yes the germans were working on vertical take off & landing (VTOL) aircraft....due in most part to their airfields being obliterated. It has been applied in several short take off and landing transport aircraft.
The half balls could also be Luenburg Lens, which would then be involved in producing gravity waves as I understand it, but the rub there is this is 1942 and the British were the ones with the lead in radar (microwaves) technology.
Yes these lenses were used as radar reflectors and microwave antennas....and are still in use today.
If the Nazi's had developed such an advanced machine as early as 1942 then why wasn't it employed in warfare?
That in turn really answers itself.
And as you recall from this thread there's the 1942 image of what appears to be the same vehicle photographed over China in 1942. Battle of Los Angeles February 1942.
The image of the alleged vehicle over China appears to be a aircraft of the period pulling out from a dive going away from the photographer. The alleged craft over Culver City in 1942 appears to be several search lights beams converging at a specific point.
The Adamski UFO is not a home brewed psyop for profit. It isn't a collection of cast off parts like sawed in half ping pong balls and pie plates or hubcaps.
Actually it does look like something out of a Hollywood movie of the time.
It also isn't an alien ship. It's way too primitive for that. It just screams to be a human design coming out the that same period of time.
I agree that its definately not an ETV.....it also doesn't appear to be anything of that time. The VTOL designs of the time do not match its appearance.
I think we have to ask ourselves this question: If these are not the product of nation states, but are the product of industry, then who knows and owns what?
The majority of the UFOs I've seen appear to be aircraft made by aerospace companies from several countries.
Who's really behind the curtain because it isn't looking to me like it's a nation state.
I'd say a majority of the aircraft are made by the US, Europe and Russia.
It looks to me like it's a private organization or secret civilization and this would have to be the industrialists whom own the defense manufacturing facilities, many of which are global now, as they were then.
No doubt there are secret aircraft projects in each country. However, very little if any at this current time uses german WW2 technology, unless you want to say the jet engine which has very little in common except for the basic principals.
These early UFO's almost have to be combinations of known aerodynamics such as the coanda effect, and likely mixed with other ideas, any number of which would be workable for the time period given the resources of a nation state like say Nazi Germany.
Yes the germans were working on vertical take off & landing (VTOL) aircraft....due in most part to their airfields being obliterated. It has been applied in several short take off and landing transport aircraft.
The half balls could also be Luenburg Lens, which would then be involved in producing gravity waves as I understand it, but the rub there is this is 1942 and the British were the ones with the lead in radar (microwaves) technology.
Yes these lenses were used as radar reflectors and microwave antennas....and are still in use today.
If the Nazi's had developed such an advanced machine as early as 1942 then why wasn't it employed in warfare?
That in turn really answers itself.
And as you recall from this thread there's the 1942 image of what appears to be the same vehicle photographed over China in 1942. Battle of Los Angeles February 1942.
The image of the alleged vehicle over China appears to be a aircraft of the period pulling out from a dive going away from the photographer. The alleged craft over Culver City in 1942 appears to be several search lights beams converging at a specific point.
The Adamski UFO is not a home brewed psyop for profit. It isn't a collection of cast off parts like sawed in half ping pong balls and pie plates or hubcaps.
Actually it does look like something out of a Hollywood movie of the time.
It also isn't an alien ship. It's way too primitive for that. It just screams to be a human design coming out the that same period of time.
I agree that its definately not an ETV.....it also doesn't appear to be anything of that time. The VTOL designs of the time do not match its appearance.
I think we have to ask ourselves this question: If these are not the product of nation states, but are the product of industry, then who knows and owns what?
The majority of the UFOs I've seen appear to be aircraft made by aerospace companies from several countries.
Who's really behind the curtain because it isn't looking to me like it's a nation state.
I'd say a majority of the aircraft are made by the US, Europe and Russia.
It looks to me like it's a private organization or secret civilization and this would have to be the industrialists whom own the defense manufacturing facilities, many of which are global now, as they were then.
No doubt there are secret aircraft projects in each country. However, very little if any at this current time uses german WW2 technology, unless you want to say the jet engine which has very little in common except for the basic principals.
Gambeir
Celestial
Turns out we are both wrong on the 1942 Chinese UFO photo.
http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_45ba5dc1010185qg.html
I should have investigated that more. Your explanation of a diving airplane was plausible, but I couldn't see any search lights so I got off my butt and did some quick searches. Evidently the same street light still exists!
LOl
I hate debunking but it looks like this one has been.
http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_45ba5dc1010185qg.html
I should have investigated that more. Your explanation of a diving airplane was plausible, but I couldn't see any search lights so I got off my butt and did some quick searches. Evidently the same street light still exists!
LOl
I hate debunking but it looks like this one has been.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Search lights were over Culver City in 1942....that's in California not China.
So you think an aircraft is wrong over China?
notdej
Honorable
you've only just noticed?Oh my.....notdej has started this same 'evidence' thread on every forum he's bounced into after Hub.
I'll give him an A for persistence.
well, why not
dr wu
Noble
Of course I noticed.....we have been talking about this at FT for some days now as you well know.....but I'm new here...just joined the other day. It's a good topic for a thread.....I applaud you .you've only just noticed?
well, why not
dr wu
Noble
Regarding 'evidence' , it matters what one means by this, and as I said we have been discussing this at Fortean Times for some time now.
I don't dismiss all anecdotal evidence but I am suspicious of much of it. Sadly there simply isn't much actual hard objective scientific evidence to support the notion that ufos are alien space craft though there is plenty to support the notion that people see odd things both in the sky and on the ground. There are physical trace cases , radar blips, and even some decent photos that are not fakes imho, but none of this conclusively proves that aliens are buzzing our planet.
One can draw a conclusion in the vein of speculation or even conjecture that such a thing is true....but it ain't proven by any means.
I don't reject all anecdotal material and some of it is quite compelling....but it would indeed be nice to support it with some tangible evidence.
I don't dismiss all anecdotal evidence but I am suspicious of much of it. Sadly there simply isn't much actual hard objective scientific evidence to support the notion that ufos are alien space craft though there is plenty to support the notion that people see odd things both in the sky and on the ground. There are physical trace cases , radar blips, and even some decent photos that are not fakes imho, but none of this conclusively proves that aliens are buzzing our planet.
One can draw a conclusion in the vein of speculation or even conjecture that such a thing is true....but it ain't proven by any means.
I don't reject all anecdotal material and some of it is quite compelling....but it would indeed be nice to support it with some tangible evidence.
notdej
Honorable
As you well know (or you may not) I get paid a fortune by various governments to keep up the disinformation & debunking-- is it working do you think?
dr wu
Noble
Yes....and I wonder if they pay us the same for our disinformation efforts..?As you well know (or you may not) I get paid a fortune by various governments to keep up the disinformation & debunking-- is it working do you think?
notdej
Honorable
people 'say' they see odd things.. doesn't mean to say they have though, does it! oh what fun.. same ol' same ol' eh doc?
will it ever end?
dr wu
Noble
It will never end......people 'say' they see odd things.. doesn't mean to say they have though, does it! oh what fun.. same ol' same ol' eh doc?
will it ever end?
I firmly believe many people who say they have strange experiences. I question what they are 'seeing', but I don't question their sincerity in saying they see 'something'.
notdej
Honorable
I'm not financially compensated:Yes....and I wonder if they pay us the same for our disinformation efforts..?
the Roswell aliens all died but no one knows that the female was due to give birth! They saved the baby & I get to fly around the galaxy with him in a horse-shoe shaped craft that only they can pilot....
Much better than money
notdej
Honorable
Yeah but IMO if it's not just good ol' lying (making up stories to gain something) then it's all in the mind:It will never end......
I firmly believe many people who say they have strange experiences. I question what they are 'seeing', but I don't question their sincerity in saying they see 'something'.
'all in the mind' as in= nothing weird & wonderful/ supernatural (whatever one needs to call it)
people believe they speak to Princess Diana/ Nelson etc--- & even god!!! What's the difference? It's all just normal human stuff......
But if folk want to believe there's more to it then why not.. Have fun
Edit to add:
1- good ol' lying
2-all in the mind, normal human stuff
3-the real thing as in something truly unknown= supernatural
It's pretty much impossible to work out which one is the truth...
I feel what people need to do is seriously consider 1 & 2 as viable options & stop letting option 3 from getting in the way all the time!
We may finally get some where (as far as truth is concerned) after 80+ years of fek all!!
Just a thought................
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Gambeir
Celestial
Oh, I thought the searchlights were in reference to the China UFO photo. LOL...yea now I get it.
As for the Chinese UFO photo, yes just go to the link I posted and the whole thing is clearly shown to
be a street light. http://blog.sina.cn/dpool/blog/s/blog_45ba5dc1010185qg.html
Gambeir
Celestial
I'm not financially compensated:
the Roswell aliens all died but no one knows that the female was due to give birth! They saved the baby & I get to fly around the galaxy with him in a horse-shoe shaped craft that only they can pilot....
Much better than money
Yes, but what you don't understand is I knocked up the female alien so the kid is loyal to me. Hence you are on a one way ticket to the outer limits.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
Assuming its common to have the same lights in all Chinese cities at that time perhaps.....but then it could still just as easily be a period aircraft.
No I was responding to the places you mentioned....I thought you'd read about the "Battle of LA" as you mentioned it.
Castle-Yankee54
Celestial
It will never end......
I firmly believe many people who say they have strange experiences. I question what they are 'seeing', but I don't question their sincerity in saying they see 'something'.
I saw something strange one time that I know was intelligently controlled.....but I'm better at saying what it wasn't.
notdej
Honorable
yeah you're right, i don't understand= you must be desperate to shag that mate!!! fekin ugly as sin-- & from what i've heard it makes people talk crap afterwards?! i recon you're telling the truth- you did, didn't ya
