THE ABSENCE OF EVIDENCE

nivek

As Above So Below
Finally, in our consideration of ET life, we may greatly err in defining what constitutes Life.

Although this is the last sentence of your post, I'd like to make comment to this because it's such a true, and as mankind hopefully will learn in the future, a very factual statement...

In our solar system alone as we explore it in greater detail we will perhaps come to find life in so many forms and compositions, a greater variety than probably expected...

It's possible one or more of our probes all over the solar system have already encountered life on Mars or one of the moon's of Jupiter or Saturn, who knows, it could have been a form of life so alien to us we don't even recognize it as life...
 

notdej

Honorable
it could have been a form of life so alien to us we don't even recognize it as life..
It's possible but unlikely IMO.....

Life as we know it is more than likely to be the way of things throughout the universe seeing everything comes from the same beginnings...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
It's possible but unlikely IMO.....

Life as we know it is more than likely to be the way of things throughout the universe seeing everything comes from the same beginnings...

Indeed and a possibility there is life on this planet earth that is currently unknown to us and/or of a form we do not recognize so remains unseen...
 

notdej

Honorable
Indeed and a possibility there is life on this planet earth that is currently unknown to us and/or of a form we do not recognize so remains unseen...
You say: 'a form'-- a form of what?= life, yes?

IMO it doesn't matter what it looks like, the conditions it lives in etc, no matter how alien it is to us- if it wants to exist, i.e. fears none existence then it's alive.. Whether or not we've yet to discover examples of these different forms is irrelevant.........
 

nivek

As Above So Below
We have no samples or examples of this hypothetical living thing, perhaps because its so remote to us we cannot see it when its right in front of our view...
 

notdej

Honorable
We have no samples or examples of this hypothetical living thing, perhaps because its so remote to us we cannot see it when its right in front of our view...
of course- therefore what's the point in contemplating the possibility?
 

iwant2believe2

Honorable
Even on our own planet, we have life which "could be much more flexible than we generally assume or can imagine." (Felisa Wolfe-Simon a NASA biochemist). Its a human tendency to personify everything. As though we can not conceive of something being intelligent, let alone superior in intelligence, if that thing isn't humanoid in some way. Aliens take on human features and if not so then animal-like with humanoid features.

NASA announcement: Arsenic-based life form discovered on Earth

And then, there is AI which may have reached it's originator's goal and achieved sentient life. The biological needs of such life would be vastly different or non-existent compared to our own. The AI, in some Terminator scenario, may have wiped its originators. All speculation but, even here on Earth, already within the realm of possibility.

Finally, when you look for signs of intelligent life on a habitable planet, you are looking millions of years into that planet's past. You might be seeing conditions before life evolved or even long after life has left the planet behind. Consider the reverse, that scientists on this distant planet were looking for signs of intelligent life on Earth and seeing Earth as it was millions of years ago rather than it actually is. What would these scientists see? Does intelligent life exist on Earth?
 

notdej

Honorable
Its a human tendency to personify everything. As though we can not conceive of something being intelligent, let alone superior in intelligence
is it? who told you that? it sounds like you're not one to personify everything of this nature- same goes for nivek i would assume> & me too yet we're human. what is life?:

something as simple as a silver-fish; get too close & it will run---if something fears of being no more, even if it's made of metal then it's life/ alive imo.
 

SOUL-DRIFTER

Life Long Researcher
I feel I've already explained why I'm here in the OP... No, I'm not wasting my time because I live in hope that REAL SOLID EVIDENCE will emerge that is not 'JUST_A_STORY'!
You know: the kind of thing that will make the world go pheeew, & me! Is there something wrong in that!?
<<what do i class as REAL SOLID EVIDENCE?>> I here you ask; I think we'll all know it if/when it happens.
The kinda evidence that would blow away the smallest/ slightest doubts even the most staunch believers must have after 80+ years of (in reality) nothing!

People tell stories all the time. Hell, us humans are bloody good at it.....books Earn money for people as do documentaries/ radio & TV interviews etc. This is also where you me & everyone else get's their info on this subject! And in my honest opinion the reason why this subject still exists after all this time!
For this reason I'll always take this way of receiving data with a massive pinch of salt! Many in places like this will say: 'never believe what you read in the papers'== to me there's no difference.

It seems you're still having trouble understanding others feel differently about the info they look at...
If I felt it would change things for me then I'd be looking at it the way you do- as I did many years ago....but In reality, how you look at it won't change anything my friend;)

places like this will be around for many years, pondering/ looking at shit videos/ bringing up Roswell & The Hills AGAIN because there's nothing else to talk about! I hope I'm wrong & this subject is taken out of the 'strange phenomenon' category..

hmmm, hope spring eternal.

Peace.

dej...
What you are waiting for is the big one.
You await that evidence undeniable proof that will hit us hard enough the whole world will know.
Well, that is not an if, but a matter of when.
 

iwant2believe2

Honorable
is it? who told you that? it sounds like you're not one to personify everything of this nature- same goes for nivek i would assume> & me too yet we're human. what is life?:

something as simple as a silver-fish; get too close & it will run---if something fears of being no more, even if it's made of metal then it's life/ alive imo.

General tendency...not individual. At the individual level, our capacity to reason predominates even though it is influenced by our human nature to a greater or lesser degree. On a larger, collective level, human nature exhibits similarities in behaviors through out its collective history. Hell, we even assign genders to our cars. Lol

IMO, sentience, not sapience means life. But that is only my opinion. Others may see it differently. Therein poses the problem when we (as a collective whole) go searching for life. If we can not agree on what exactly constitutes life then how can we say 'this is life'. I don't have an answer to that. I don't know the solution.
 

nivek

As Above So Below
of course- therefore what's the point in contemplating the possibility?

If Henry Ford did not contemplate the possibility, there would be no Ford cars amd trucks...
 

Castle-Yankee54

Celestial
What you are waiting for is the big one.
You await that evidence undeniable proof that will hit us hard enough the whole world will know.
Well, that is not an if, but a matter of when.

Its going to take an intelligence landing in Trafalgar Square, Central Park or the National Mall to convince everyone. Waiting for disclosure is a pointless venture.
 

notdej

Honorable
If Henry Ford did not contemplate the possibility, there would be no Ford cars amd trucks...

Not a good analogy IMO.

We have no samples or examples of this hypothetical living thing, perhaps because its so remote to us we cannot see it when its right in front of our view...


Ford contemplated the possibility of building cars with techniques & materials we all know exist.. Nothing to do with what we're discussing here!
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Not a good analogy IMO.

Ford contemplated the possibility of building cars with techniques & materials we all know exist.. Nothing to do with what we're discussing here!

The point is without possibilities you're just existing, like a rock over there, not living...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
What you are waiting for is the big one.
You await that evidence undeniable proof that will hit us hard enough the whole world will know.
Well, that is not an if, but a matter of when.

I do not think I would like a big surprise like that, the big one, one day out of the blue a huge vessel hovering over the New York City or over the White House...I would cringe and instantly start preparing for the worst...Its one thing to have baby steps, small meets and greets and work up to seeing s large ship landing on earth, but to have it just suddenly appear with no warning, I don't think any good will come from that scenario...
 
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