The Allagash Alien Abduction.

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  1. Shadowprophet

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    Every once and a while, We need to discuss something Alien Abductiony. Is it just me? In that spirit, I present the story of the Allagash Abductions. A story of four friends who were abducted in their twenties while out camping in the summer of 1976.

    The Story:
    In 1976 four friends in their early 20s went camping in rural Maine. On the second night, they noticed a very bright light but nothing more. On the third night, they decided to try night fishing. In the canoe, they noticed the bright light again. One of the men used a flashlight to flashlight in an SOS pattern at the light. The light then expanded and enveloped all four men. That’s the last thing they remember. They “woke up” back at their campsite with no recollection of what ended up happening with the light or how they got off the water. The fire they’d stoked up before they left just minutes ago (intending it to still be burning when they returned) was completely burned down to embers.

    So What happened in the Aftermath?
    Jack Weiner was the first to start having nightmares. In these dreams, he saw beings with long necks and large heads. He saw the beings examining his arm while Jim, Chuck, and Charlie sat on a nearby bench, not able to intervene. The beings had large metallic glowing eyes with no lids, and their hands were insect-like, with four fingers. The other three men were experiencing very similar dreams, with short, mental clips of that night on the lake. In 1988, out of curiosity, Jim Weiner attended a UFO conference hosted by Raymond Fowler.

    Weiner met Fowler afterward and related his strange encounter. The investigator was excited about Jim’s story, especially the fact that it was a multiple witness occurrence. Fowler suggested to Jim that he and the others undergo regressive hypnosis. After the sessions, it was revealed that all four of the men had memories of being abducted and subjected to humiliating physical examinations, including the taking of skin and fluid samples. The description of the aliens was consistent. The four men – being artists – were able to make detailed sketches of the entities, the craft, and the examining instruments.

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    Here is an image I threw together in Photoshop As I couldn't find any pictures of their drawings, So, This is just an imaginative representation I put together.

    Chuck Rak added that the aliens’ test area was similar to a vet’s office, with a silvery table. He also related a strange fact: he had much difficulty in focusing on the aliens. When he tried, he could not put an exact image to them. He compared it to trying to tune in a fuzzy radio station.
    After the psychiatric examinations, all four of the men were deemed to be mentally stable, and they all passed lie-detector tests.


    So What are your thoughts on the Allagash abductions? This doesn't seem to be one of those prominent cases in ufology, so there isn't a lot of talk about it.
     
  2. Creepy Green Light

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    I always thought it was a total hoax. And apparently, I'm right. One of those brothers came forward and said they made up the entire thing.
     
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  3. Niku120

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    He was paid off to say that lie. IMO
    discredit the event he tried
     
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  4. Kchoo

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    Why would someone go through regression, hypnosis, lie detectors and THEN say is was a hoax?
    Was it really a hoax or did one of them just get really tired of rehashing it and wanted to move on so bad... perhaps he decided the best way for him, was to say it was a hoax...
     
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    The four men – being artists – were able to make detailed sketches of the entities, the craft, and the examining instruments”

    “Chuck Rak added that the aliens’ test area was similar to a vet’s office, with a silvery table. He also related a strange fact: he had much difficulty in focusing on the aliens. “


    Uhhh... details... but much difficulty focusing... I dont’t mean to sound too picky... but can it be both ways?
     
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  6. Kchoo

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    I get the feeling this draws more from YOUR OWN encounters.
     
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  7. Shadowprophet

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    I just like to draw honestly, Even if I had found their pictures, I was still going to draw my own and put them there, It's those little opportunities in life one has to capitalize on lol :p

    I had one that was more in line with their accounts, But it was sucky.
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  8. Shadowprophet

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    Here is the one I was working on for the next image, It's still rough, I need to smooth the shading put a dark background behind it, all that stuff. [​IMG]

    I know, But I've been drawing a lot lately, I know they aren't just super great. But, I do it only because I feel a need to draw right now, It will pass, It happens sometimes.
     
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  9. Creepy Green Light

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    It's a no win situation with true believers. If someone says they were abducted; then thats it - they were abducted. If that person later says it was all a lie & made up - then they were STILL ABDUCTED. Now they're just saying it was a lie to discredit them. The true believers have an answer for everything.
     
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  10. Creepy Green Light

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    Here's what Chuck Rak says (one of the 4 men "abducted")

    “The reason I supported the story at first was because I wanted to make money,” he said.

    Rak, along with Charlie Foltz, and twin brothers Jack and Jim Weiner, all students at the Massachusetts College of Art and Design, embarked on a vacation canoeing the Allagash Wilderness Waterway during the summer of 1976; however, Rak’s input has been notably absent in recent years from news stories and documentaries pertaining to the Allagash Abductions.

    According to Rak on Wednesday, the group did witness an unidentified flying object during their canoe trip, both on the night of the alleged abductions, and two nights before on Chamberlain Lake. “Oh yes, I saw the craft,” Rak said.

    He said the most vivid sighting occurred as the men were night fishing on Big Eagle Lake. “I had an uncomfortable feeling of being stared at. I turned around and saw this very, very bright globe of light in the sky,” he said. Rak described the lights as “changing color from white to red to green in a liquid kind of melding motion.”

    Rak said the group reported the bizarre experience the next day to a ranger on duty in the area, who Rak said quickly dismissed the sighting, attributing the lights as coming from a grand opening at a hardware store in the town of Millinocket.

    “He said what we saw was these guys operating a search light in back of a pick-up,” Rak said. “There was no way this could have been any hardware store grand opening at 9 o’clock at night coming from 75 miles away.”

    According to Rak, the men continued with their trip, and did not discuss the possibility of having been abducted by aliens until years later after Jim Weiner suffered a traumatic fall and began to experience seizures.

    “After suffering this fall he started having these visions of humanoid beings levitating above his bed, poking him with needles,” Rak said.

    Jim Weiner eventually shared his visions with renowned UFO researcher and author Raymond Fowler, after which the group underwent hypnosis with a man named Tony Constantino.

    During the regressive hypnosis sessions both the Weiners and Foltz claimed to recall small grey aliens taking them aboard a spacecraft. They said the aliens then performed what they perceived to be medical examinations on the men.

    Rak now says his hypnosis experience led to no such recall on his part, although he previously claimed publicly that it did.

    Fowler wrote a book about the case in 1993, “The Allagash Abductions.” A storm of media attention followed, including appearances by the Allagash Four – as the public dubbed Rak, Foltz and the Weiner brothers – on “The Joan Rivers Show” and an episode of “Unsolved Mysteries.”

    “We were compelled to stay together, all speculating that this thing could go into the millions of dollars for each of us,” Rak said. “We made very little.”

    Rak said he and the others eventually had a falling out, after which he began telling people that the abductions never took place.

    He stopped short of describing the Allagash Abductions as an outright hoax. “I don’t call it a hoax, just brilliant storytelling. It’s not the truth, but I have to admire the storytelling ability of these guys,” he said.

    Rak challenges what many believers of the Allagash Abductions consider a key element of the case: the “lost time” the men allegedly experienced. The men all claimed that when they set out fishing on Big Eagle Lake the evening of the UFO sighting, they had left a large fire burning at their campsite as a beacon to guide them back to shore during the pitch-black night. However, when they returned to the campsite, the fire had burned down much faster than they thought it should have given the amount of time they thought they had spent out on the water.

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    Map of part of the Allagash Wilderness Waterway are in northern Maine from © OpenStreetMap contributors. Eagle Lake (also known as Big Eagle Lake to avoid confusion with another Eagle Lake in the St. John Valley) is the site of an alleged alien abduction in 1976.

    Rak now dismisses this suggestion as “complete (manure).”

    “It certainly was a big fire, I agree with that,” he said. “Those logs were maybe three inches. Some of them could have been almost three and a half inches, that’s the biggest they could have been; and most of them were smaller, and as such in that condition those pieces of wood would have burned off very quickly.”

    Foltz, in a telephone conversation from his Massachusetts home on Thursday, September 1, claimed differently. “Some of the wood we put on there was about the diameter of my leg,” Foltz said. “I would say at least a good 10 inches in diameter easily.”

    Rak also said during the August 31 interview that he and other members of the group had used recreational drugs on the night of the alleged abduction. “I remember Jack brought some Afghan temple ball with him to share with the rest of us,” he said. “Yeah, we were definitely stoned when we went out on the lake just before we got that sighting.”

    According to Rak, he felt conflicted when others asked him whether the group had been under the influence of drugs or alcohol on the night of the encounters. “I remember being on ‘The Joan Rivers Show.’ Joan was asking, ‘Were you guys drinking or taking drugs?’ Fortunately, I was sitting furthest away from her. Jim (Weiner) was right next to her and he had to field that question and lie and I didn’t have to lie.”

    Foltz denies any drug use among the Allagash Four during the outing. “No,” he said Thursday. “We bought an eight-pack of beer in Millinocket when we bought all of our supplies for the canoe trip. We each had one beer at Telos Landing the very first night and we each had one beer at Fort Kent the last day of our canoe trip,” he said. “We carried those eight bottles in and we carried those eight bottles back out.”

    Foltz described Rak as a man with a violent temper who has been banned from some UFO conventions. “We definitely steer clear of him because the guy is a loose cannon and a mental disaster area,” Foltz said of Rak.

    Jim Weiner also dismisses Rak’s new claims. “I personally believe that Mr. Rak’s self-aggrandizing rationalizations and disparaging accusations are simply the rantings of an angry and resentful individual, on whom his former friends have turned their backs,” he wrote in a September 5 email.

    Fowler initially agreed to be interviewed for this story, but later sent an email indicating that he would not take part if Chuck Rak did.

    Fowler wrote on August 29, “Chuck Rak did not have very detailed recall of the abduction under hypnosis. He is the type of person who needs to be in control. He was not happy not being able to have detailed recall of the abduction portion of the incident, thus several years after the investigation he claimed that no one was abducted.”
     
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  11. Shadowprophet

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    Wow, I had no Idea the story was this deep, Thank you for bringing this info to light bro :)
     
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    See, it looks all betterish when it's cleaned up smoothed and shaded with a BG.

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  13. Creepy Green Light

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    You're welcome & no problem! :)
     
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  14. Niku120

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    you skeptics latch on any crap to discredit peoples experience. sound like a leftwingers
     
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  15. Shadowprophet

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    Skeptics can be entertaining, They serve their purpose though, Consider for a moment, without skeptics and their scrutiny we would be knee deep in a forum full of strangers from the darkest depths of the internet all claiming they are hybrids or bigfoots baby momma, They serve a practical purpose, Their presence in the community actually does more to keep us from sounding totally off our rockers than anything else if you think about it, anyway here is this guy debunking a UFO video. I mention this guy, Captain disillusion because I just found this guy, he is hilarious :)

     
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  16. Creepy Green Light

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    Yeah, without skeptics we'd all think the following took real flying saucer pictures/videos.....

    Billy Meier
    Paul Trent
    Rex Heflin
    George Adamski
    Ed Walters
    Tim Edwards
    Guardian
    Phoenix Flares
    Trindade Island

    & others. You're welcome.
     
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  17. Rick Hunter

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    The fact that one of the witnesses recanted is a huge black mark on the story. At the same time, if it is a lie, the other three have done an extremely good job of keeping their story straight for more than 40 years, and not letting anyone else in on the secret. That is really rare.
     
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  18. nivek

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    Which do you think is likely true, in your opinion?...

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    I haven't studied the case enough to come to a conclusion. For now, I am keeping an open mind on it. Unfortunately, Chuck Rak has outed himself as a liar: he was either lying when he originally went along with the abduction story or he is lying now, no two ways about it.
     
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  20. Creepy Green Light

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    If I had a $100 million to bet....I'd put my money on "The abduction never happened. It was all made up." vs. a flying saucer came down from outer space and sought out a few guys that were camping/fishing and took them aboard their aircraft and then released them some time later.
     
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