The Bible: True, False, Or Irrelevant?

Discussion in 'Knowledge of the Spirit' started by dr wu, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. nivek

    nivek As Above So Below

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    He is not attacking spiritual beliefs, religion and spirituality are two different things...How can someone hate a God that doesn't exist?...He is not attacking people either, debating religious beliefs is like debating political beliefs, both are for the masses...You keep bringing spirituality into this discussion muddying the waters...
     
  2. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    Well, that's because I was being soft about this whole issue. To be honest. I should be able to defend religion as well. Let's be fair here Nations were founded on the right to pursue religious freedom. America was founded To escape The oppression of The British Catholics. People may have a widely regarded problem with Religion. However. Some people are religious. And I ask. When did people lose their rights to be religious or defend their religion? This isn't just about Defending people, This is about Defending My God. Which I will do. Nothing is more important to me than my God. Which he attacked. Who in this room can say he did not attack God?
    Very well then... To love God is what I do. I don't oppress people with the idea. But I will defend God. If I can. If anyone in here has ever read the bible. That's what we are supposed to do.
     
  3. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    People want to point things out to me like I've somehow made some error in judgment. I was born and raised a Christian in the Christian Religion. It's an important thing to me. No room full of people can back me down from defending God.

    However. I can and will respect people.
     
  4. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    people may think what they will of me. But I ask each of you. If you Loved something very much. If you prayed to it. If it was the most important thing in your whole life. If you believed in it fully.

    Would you defend that thing? That's all I'm asking of people here. To be reasonable, Because I know the odds, I'm in a room full of people who don't believe in God. But I have shown each and every one of you, unending respect and kindness, Do I not deserve the same?
     
  5. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    That's not to say people haven't respected me, honestly, people here have respected me very much. It just sounded like a good line to say.
     
  6. Dundee

    Dundee Fading day by day.

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    I wasn't going to opt in again but dude I feel bad for you.
    No one is questioning YOU personally
    You have grown up a christian, that is fine by me.
    But you are a man of science, I know that.
    Ignore for just a minute your personal beliefs.
    Look at the history of your church.
    What does your scientific training tell you about its history.
    NOONE is questioning your integrity.
    Or your personal faith.
    But I am questioning your leaders, and what they teach.
    Put on your scientists hat, and tell me what you see.
     
  7. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    I run into that all the time, I truly wish you would consider. that this is just a debate. And I do it for the sake of Christianity. and obligation. My personal feelings are that I'm in a room full of friends. Everyone here has been nice to me.

    I am a man of science. And I could get into that. But can I say? Some scientists. Are very intelligent people. who understand astrophysics. And still yet believe a higher power is possible.
     
  8. Dundee

    Dundee Fading day by day.

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    Mate, But still you avoid the question, as you have done from post 1.
    I will ask you directly. And please, if your faith is strong enough, you must have an answer for these two questions.
    • Do you recognize that your religion has committed countess evils in the name of god.
    • If not, why, when the history books clearly tell a different tale,
    Please, no more indignant responses. Just address these questions which I have asked for a dozen posts now.
     
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  9. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    No, I do not, And here is why. Everyone blames someone other than themselves. Isis is doing the same thing right now, But is That God? OR isis killing people? Anyone can place the blame on something else. That is exactly why The actions of a group of people who carry out their evils in the Name of God doesn't mean that it was God doing the Evil. People always blame someone other than themselves, I haven't' avoided that I've answered that so many times bro.

    Let me give you an example. A person kills someone. They say they were possessed by a Demon, Did the demon kill that person, or did the person just use the demon as an excuse?

    I am trying to point out, There have always been people who Hated God, Why wouldn't people try to destroy his Name?

    In the scriptures. It says. Thou shall not kill. So anyone who does is defying Gods word, that is one of the ten basic commandments. Dundee. That's what I have been saying. If someone kills and says they did it for God's sake. That is not what was commanded of Christians to do, We Don't kill. or. At least we aren't supposed to. Please tell me you understand this?
     
  10. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    1. I am the Lord your God, You shall have no other gods before me.
    2. You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.
    3. You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God.
    4. Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.
    5. Honour your father and your mother.
    6. You shall not murder.
    7. You shall not commit adultery.
    8. You shall not steal.
    9. You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour,
    10. You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbour.
    This is the list of the most basic tenants of being a Christian. You can not do any of these things in the name of God. We are commanded not to do them.

    So if someone does murder. And claim they did it in the name of God, they are lying man. Those are not suggestions. Each of those is a hell worthy offense.
     
  11. Dundee

    Dundee Fading day by day.

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    OK, Answer this then...
    From the TOP of your religious Xmas tree...
    Address this if you can, this is not just some silly priest in some backwater town in the boonies.
    This is the highest echelon of the Catholic church.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-07/royal-commission-into-sexual-abuse-/8246584


    Dr Thomas Doyle, a United States canon lawyer and expert in areas of sexual abuse by clergy, has been giving evidence at the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse in Sydney.
    He claimed Pope John Paul II knew children were being sexually abused by priests and the Catholic Church attempted to cover up allegations.
    Dr Doyle said victims and their families were coerced into keeping quiet about the abuse, even threatened with ex-communication.

    Staggering numbers revealed at royal commission
    Yesterday, data collected by the royal commission and released for the first time painted a damning and systemic picture of child sexual abuse within Catholic institutions.

    Gail Furness SC used her opening address yesterday to reveal 4,444 allegations of incidents of abuse between January 1980 and February 2015 were made to Catholic Church authorities.

    Between 1950 and 2010, she said there were 1,880 alleged perpetrators from within the Catholic Church.

    This is the 50th public hearing of the four-year-long royal commission and it is the 16th dealing with abuse in the Catholic Church.

    The royal commission has investigated how institutions across the country, including schools, churches, sports clubs and government organisations, have responded to allegations and instances of abuse.
     
  12. Shadowprophet

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    Can I say this and get away with it? I am not Catholic. Catholics worship Mary. They Claim to be Christian. But in my opinion, they are not Christian,

    Catholics have something called Dogma. Which is basically like a political system, A Catholic cannot read the bible for themselves. they must have it administered to them by an ordained Catholic priest. The Catholic religion, Is drastically different from What I Attend. I go to a Church of Christ. or Baptist church. We have absolutely nothing in common with Catholicism at all. In fact. Many in my (Denomination) <--- nice word to look up there. Do not View Catholics as Christian. Nowhere in the bible does it say to worship Mary and praise her as holy, The Catholics pray to marry. And not to Jesus or God. In fact. Most Christian. Denominations, Do not approve of Catholicism... I have defended Christianity so hard. I hope you don't think I'm making that up. We DO NOT approve of Catholics.
     
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  13. Dundee

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    Fuckin hell, another dodge.
    Yep, I guess all you said is right.
    Obviously the only people guilty of this are those bloody Catholics.
    Fuck man, your a scientist.
    Can't you see the dance around the truth you are doing.
    This is fucked up.
    You are blind man, blind as a bat.
    And you know what.
    If by chance god exists, you my friend are way more fucked than I.
    At least I recognize and question the Evils perpetuated by some.
    You seem ignorant or complacent to all.
    As ironic as it sounds, I believe I have more chance of going to heaven than you.

    How the hell can you ignore this stuff.
     
  14. Shadowprophet

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    No, I can't discuss this with you until you recognize the difference between What Catholicism is and what other denominations are. Are you aborigine? you are in Australia. There is a vast difference. And I'm sorry. I simply won't entertain any misunderstandings about this. America Fought the catholic church to escape what Catholicism is . you must study and understand this. I will not be thrown into the likes of Catholicism. That is insulting to me.
     
  15. Shadowprophet

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    My church. Reads the Bible as it is written. There is no dogma. There is only reading and singing and praying. There is no other religion on earth more fucked up then Catholicism, and I think you know that.
     
  16. Dundee

    Dundee Fading day by day.

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    Fuck, I give up. Your a Zealot.
    You win. Clearly i am wrong.
     
  17. Shadowprophet

    Shadowprophet Truthiness

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    I've told you if you can't understand the difference between religious denominations you have no right whatsoever debating this. because you are woefully understudied. I absolutely kid you not.

    Do you know that is the reason the Mayflower took off with pilgrims to the new world? to escape Catholicism? Come on, dude. If you are going to debate with me you are going to learn something.


    At least,, I mean DAMN...
     
  18. Shadowprophet

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    I am not a Catholic, I can not answer for Catholics. I do not agree with or like Catholicism. If I wasn't telling the Truth. Would I not be denying my own religion here? come on, Wake up. ...

    Now I am only Human. I have a headache. My brain almost exploded when I realized how little you know about Christianity. ... Anyone who condenses all of Christianity down to just Catholicism. Is beyond any help I can give.
     
  19. pepe

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    Weird how the number three holds court on essential themes to life and the third as more passive. One to Judge I guess.

    I am religious to a fashion and I think it's fair to say no one escapes the internal wonder of our origins. Religion and what it contains is an essential element to our existence as a code to our longevity and will always be. Subject matter is the problem, both in terms of being able to truly believe and in compatibility for the universal fit.

    You sure it wasn't three of every animal or Noah led three up the ramp by the hand. Either would explain a lot.

    3 Colours
    3 Shapes
    3 Religions
    3 Animals
    3 Flavours
    3 Transport
    3 Classes
    3 Sexualities
    3 Winners

    There is more and the hat trick has meaning to us. Third time is a charm or lucky. Holy trinity of course and where the mystery lays. Maybe that is why we fascinate over this numeral. Three of us made it to the big time, the now and we kind of know it. The list above is for commonality oh I've flown the coop and all I have left to add is always take a third one, just in case, you know the other two kill one another.
     
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  20. Rick Hunter

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    There is nothing in the New Testament which instructs Christians to butcher other people, quite the opposite in fact. Jesus' instructions make it very clear that we are to introduce Christianity to others and show them kindness and charity, even if they don't believe. Human beings will always create a rationale to murder each other, whether it is based on religion, race, nationality, or just plain old greed or revenge.

    Oh, and on the topic of organized religion: I am well aware of the evils which have been perpetuated by organized religion over the centuries. The pre-Reformation Catholic Church was probably the worst, it committed every atrocity that ISIS and Al-Quaeda do today on a much larger scale. Catholics that I know today are nothing like that. My denomination, the Church of God (Anderson, Indiana synod) was established in 1881 and has not massacred anyone. If they have, please bring it to my attention!
     

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