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Shadowprophet

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So, We have spoken a lot on Black holes, Some people may even know there are hypothetical white holes, But, The more I learn about singularities, The more confused I seem to become, With the many theories out there on What black holes can do, People speculate everything from Time Travel, To alternate realities to gateways to other universes, To wormholes, Hell, It wouldn't surprise me if some theorist out there Believed the Speedforce was a legitimate thing.

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However, There are in the hypothesis, Black holes are extremely hot on the outside and unbelievably cold on the inside, Scientists claim they have even observed lightning within black holes Astronomers View “Lightning” Flash In Black Hole

There are even claims of coronal mass ejections from Black holes,
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Which really only confuses me further because, WHY!? with that incredible gravity, I can't conceive something like matter could escape a black hole, But here we are.
Black holes eject matter as well as feed off it | Cosmos There are Supermassive black holes and microscopic black holes, Just studying black holes alone, is a staggering subject.

What are your thoughts on this guys?
 
So, We have spoken a lot on Black holes, Some people may even know there are hypothetical white holes, But, The more I learn about singularities, The more confused I seem to become, With the many theories out there on What black holes can do, People speculate everything from Time Travel, To alternate realities to gateways to other universes, To wormholes, Hell, It wouldn't surprise me if some theorist out there Believed the Speedforce was a legitimate thing.
I think it’s a good idea to throw all of that really wild stuff right out the window. There’s gravitational time dilation, no doubt, but I wouldn’t call that time travel. And they’re not wormholes, or portals to other realities, according to the best of our current understanding. The name has given people all kinds of crazy ideas; I prefer to think of them as “black stars” – that’s more accurate. There’s no “hole” in a black hole. That’s how I see it anyway; more dewy-eyed dreamer theorists feel differently about it.

Black holes are just very massive star that collapse until they become a quantum object. But it has an immensely powerful gravitational field, unlike most other quantum objects, so it’s an ideal real-world scenario for studying the union between quantum physics and general relativity. In practice, each of those two theories can help us understand the physics of a black hole. But I think it’s important to bear in mind that we don’t have a grand unified field theory yet, so on some issues, we’re definitely only capable of making educated guesses. But the recent detection of gravitational waves is going to lead to an entirely new field of astrophysics where can learn about what happens inside the event horizon of a black hole, so the decades ahead should be very exciting and informative on this topic.

The singularity is a very interesting issue. The singularity is most likely a very small and slightly “fuzzy” one-dimensional ring, because black holes spin, just like any other star. I say “fuzzy” because quantum theory places a strict limit on the position and momentum of a quantum object, so the singularity has to be blurry just like any other point-like particle. And the singularity spins fast, to conserve angular momentum. Weirdly, there’s a limit to how fast a black hole can spin, and this rate has been determined through observations – some black holes are spinning at this limit, 84% the speed of light:

https://phys.org/news/2014-02-fast-black-holes.html

However, There are in the hypothesis, Black holes are extremely hot on the outside and unbelievably cold on the inside, Scientists claim they have even observed lightning within black holes Astronomers View “Lightning” Flash In Black Hole

There are even claims of coronal mass ejections from Black holes,

Which really only confuses me further because, WHY!? with that incredible gravity, I can't conceive something like matter could escape a black hole, But here we are.
No, all of the emissions that you’re talking about happen outside of the event horizon, in the accretion disc of matter whirling around the black hole. Quasars are black holes that are consuming a lot of matter – entire stars one after the other, and the density and temperature of that matter whirling around the black hole, outside of the event horizon, produces nuclear fusion. That’s why they’re so hot and bright.

But black holes themselves are extremely cold. The only emissions from a black hole are Hawking radiation, which is minimal for all the black holes that we know about. It’s possible that some primordial black holes with a very small mass (the mass of the Moon or less) could be radiating a lot of Hawking radiation – as these low mass black holes emit Hawking radiation, they lose mass, and shrink further, and get hotter. Eventually, in theory, they’ll suddenly evaporate in a burst of energy. But we’ve never detected anything like that. My guess is that we won’t see that kind of thing for many dozens or hundreds of billions of years, because if very small-mass primordial black holes existed, I think we would’ve seen one explode in a burst of gamma radiation by now. The calculated time required for a solar-mass black hole to evaporate is 10^64 years, and for supermassive black holes it goes up to 10^106 years - so unless there are some extremely small black holes out there, we'll be waiting an awfully long time to see a black hole's final evaporation in a burst of light.

The lightning and other kinds of bursts and jets, are coming from the accretion disc around a black hole, not from inside the black hole itself. Although the powerful magnetic fields around some black holes play a key part in those processes; other black holes have pretty weak magnetic fields.

Black holes eject matter as well as feed off it | Cosmos There are Supermassive black holes and microscopic black holes, Just studying black holes alone, is a staggering subject.
The ejected matter comes from the accretion disc, not the black hole itself. Nothing escapes the event horizon, ever. We’ve never detected a microscopic black hole. They’ve tried to make them at the LHC, because some alternatives to the Standard Model predict that possibility, but it didn’t happen.

What are your thoughts on this guys?
I think we’re probably going to see some pretty dramatic changes to our understanding of black holes, once we arrive at a grand unified field theory. I could be wrong, but black holes represent the union of two currently incompatible theories of physics, so if anything is likely to undergo a dramatic reconceptualization once we have a complete physics model, this would be it.
 
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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
the density and temperature of that matter whirling around the black hole, outside of the event horizon, produces nuclear fusion. That’s why they’re so hot and bright.
Amazing, This alone was brilliant. I had never considered fusion surrounding a black hole, And It makes perfect sense that it would, We learn something new every day, But the day is brand new, I hope that wasn't the only thing I learn today, As mind-blowing as that was :)
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
So they really truly are stars, So why do we call them black holes? It would seem they literally are a classification of star really.
 
So they really truly are stars, So why do we call them black holes? It would seem they literally are a classification of star really.
That's exactly right - they're just massive collapsed stars.

People call them "black holes" because somebody said that since no light escapes from them, they would look like a black hole floating in space. And that term stuck, so now tons of people have the mistaken idea that they're actually holes. It's very upsetting when this kind of thing happens, and a dumb historical accident like this ruins public understanding of a subject.
 
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Kchoo

At Peace.
It is amazing to me that mass can condense to a gravity so powerful that light cannot even escape. That anything pulled into it becomes condensed to that level as well.

It has always amazed me that people talk about passing through a black hole.... uhhhh... no! You will simply be condensed into the most compact form of mass possible... so you won’t be passing through anything... hahaha

All due respect.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
It is amazing to me that mass can condense to a gravity so powerful that light cannot even escape. That anything pulled into it becomes condensed to that level as well.

It has always amazed me that people talk about passing through a black hole.... uhhhh... no! You will simply be condensed into the most compact form of mass possible... so you won’t be passing through anything... hahaha

All due respect.
I'm beginning to understand, that a lot of these theories about wormholes and ring singularities are not just far-fetched, But almost insultingly insane that they expect people to entertain those ideas. How many ring-shaped planets and stars just pop up at random?, Speaking with Thomas has been extremely enlightening for me.
 

ChrisIB

Honorable
The most read story on BBC Earth in 2015 was:
If you fell into a black hole, you might expect to die instantly. But in fact your fate would be far stranger than that

The strange fate of a person falling into a black hole

Some of the mind numbing consequences:

The instant you entered the black hole, reality would split in two. In one, you would be instantly incinerated, and in the other you would plunge on into the black hole utterly unharmed.

As you go deeper into the black hole, space becomes ever more curvy until, at the centre, it becomes infinitely curved. This is the singularity. Space and time cease to be meaningful ideas, and the laws of physics as we know them — all of which require space and time — no longer apply.

According to observer Anne, you are slowly obliterated by the stretching of space, the stopping of time and the fires of Hawking radiation. Before you ever cross over into the black hole's darkness, you're reduced to ash.

But before we plan your funeral, let's forget about Anne and view this gruesome scene from your point of view. Now, something even stranger happens: nothing.

You sail straight into nature's most ominous destination without so much as a bump or a jiggle – and certainly no stretching, slowing or scalding radiation. That's because you're in freefall, and therefore you feel no gravity: something Einstein called his "happiest thought".

Black holes warp space and time to such an extreme that inside the black hole's horizon, space and time actually swap roles. In a sense, it really is time that pulls you in toward the singularity. You can't turn around and escape the black hole, any more than you can turn around and travel back to the past.

But what if there was a way for her to find out what was on the other side of the horizon, without actually crossing it?

Ordinary relativity would say that's a no-no, but quantum mechanics makes the rules a little fuzzier. Anne might sneak a peek behind the horizon, using a little trick that Einstein called "spooky action-at-a-distance".

The AMPS idea went something like this. Let's say Anne grabs hold of a bit of information near the horizon — call it A.

Each bit of information can only be entangled once

If her story is right, and you are a goner, scrambled amongst the Hawking radiation outside the black hole, then A must be entangled with another bit of information, B, which is also part of the hot cloud of radiation.

On the other hand, if your story is the true one, and you're alive and well on the other side of the event horizon, then A must be entangled with a different bit of information, C, which is somewhere inside the black hole.

Here's the kicker: each bit of information can only be entangled once. That means A can only be entangled with B or with C, not with both.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
The most read story on BBC Earth in 2015 was:
If you fell into a black hole, you might expect to die instantly. But in fact your fate would be far stranger than that

The strange fate of a person falling into a black hole

Some of the mind numbing consequences:
I do not think on any instance we could bring form to function in exploring black holes... they crush everything, down Even at quantum levels, to unrecognizable states... so we will never do anything but speculate...
 
I'm beginning to understand, that a lot of these theories about wormholes and ring singularities are not just far-fetched, But almost insultingly insane that they expect people to entertain those ideas. How many ring-shaped planets and stars just pop up at random?, Speaking with Thomas has been extremely enlightening for me.
I appreciate that, but I'm going to have to disappoint you: the singularity of a spinning black hole is actually a ring, according to our best theories today. Perhaps that model will change one day, once we have a better idea about the nature of matter at nearly infinite densities.

The most read story on BBC Earth in 2015 was:
If you fell into a black hole, you might expect to die instantly. But in fact your fate would be far stranger than that

The strange fate of a person falling into a black hole

Some of the mind numbing consequences:
That article is kind of a mess, honestly. I think what that article demonstrates is how little we actually understand the physics of black holes - there are big unanswered questions with this topic, and the firewall problem is one of them. At this point it seems that we only have best guesses, at the theoretical level. And I suspect that in time, we'll find that a lot of those guesses are wrong.

But there are also errors in the article itself. The tidal forces inside will definitely shred you to atoms before you hit the singularity: yes, you're in freefall - but when the rate of freefall at your feet is much greater than the rate of freefall at your head, you're torn to pieces. This inevitable and grisly demise produced by the extreme gravitational tidal forces of a black hole has been rather hilariously dubbed "spaghettification."

I do not think on any instance we could bring form to function in exploring black holes... they crush everything, down Even at quantum levels, to unrecognizable states... so we will never do anything but speculate...
That last part isn't true - we'll figure it out. Two advancements will help us do it: analyzing high-resolution gravitational wave signals will give us observational insights about what's going on inside the event horizon, and once we figure out a physics theory that elegantly encompasses both general relativity and quantum field theory, we'll finally be able to model these weird scenarios where both features of nature are extremely important.
 
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Toroid

Founding Member
I was watching a program on the Science channel about black holes. They can't figure out how super massive black holes grew to billions of solar masses. They said there isn't enough time in the age of the universe 13.7 billion years for them to have grown to that size. Their mass could be punching through to another universe and they draw matter from there. They had animation of two black holes merging of about 38 & 40 solar masses. The consolidation lost 3 solar masses in a split second and is considered to be the most energetic explosions next to the theoretical big bang.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBchtofZJSM
 

nivek

As Above So Below
I was watching a program on the Science channel about black holes. They can't figure out how super massive black holes grew to billions of solar masses. They said there isn't enough time in the age of the universe 13.7 billion years for them to have grown to that size.

This is another indicator that tells me the universe is far older than is presently accepted in the scientific community...

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I was watching a program on the Science channel about black holes. They can't figure out how super massive black holes grew to billions of solar masses. They said there isn't enough time in the age of the universe 13.7 billion years for them to have grown to that size.
There are several possible explanations. Black holes can form directly in any sufficiently dense region with little angular momentum, without passing through a stellar phase, so I think that anisotropies in the early post-Big-Bang universe probably formed them. Even today the large scale structure of the universe reveals an amazing range of matter densities in a web strewn throughout the cosmos - it's not hard to imagine that black holes formed in the center of such regions before the lower-density regions formed galaxies of stars.

Their mass could be punching through to another universe and they draw matter from there.
No, that's science fiction. The least likely explanation for supermassive black holes is that they're some kind of portal to other universes.

They had animation of two black holes merging of about 38 & 40 solar masses. The consolidation lost 3 solar masses in a split second and is considered to be the most energetic explosions next to the theoretical big bang.
Yeah it's amazing how powerful black hole mergers are. Gravity waves decay by the inverse cube law, so the fact that the LIGO facilities detected them from billions of light-years away is mindblowing. Einstein thought that gravity waves would be so weak that we'd never be able to detect them. In only a century, experimental physicists proved him wrong.

This is another indicator that tells me the universe is far older than is presently accepted in the scientific community...
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....maybe. There's always room for surprises in cosmology. But there are a lot of different factors that all seem to point to the same model for the current timeline of events - it would be astounding if all those different factors were skewed somehow to yield a significantly inaccurate model of cosmic evolution. Chances are that the right explanation will prove to be fairly prosaic, like a purely random chance concentration of matter in the early universe forming these things in the very early era of cosmic evolution.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
This is another indicator that tells me the universe is far older than is presently accepted in the scientific community...

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and so is earth
humans are neither the first neither the last civilization on earth
we are actually a post-apocalyptic civilization, thats the disturbing conclusion i reached after studying your past
 
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