The Day After First Contact.

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
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This is a long one, I'm sorry, I've been Quiet lately, Hopefully, this makes up for it. Everyone Dreams about what Open First contact will be like for humanity, That first historical interaction between Us And Our long-awaited Visitors, our brothers from the stars.

We were discussing in an earlier Kchoo thread about What kinds of life could be out there and What they may be like, Dont get this wrong. , Many people speculate a verity of views on why we seemingly cover up something so inexplicably obvious "We are not alone" I don't really believe many of us here do believe we are alone, But, I believe there are a lot of practical and obvious reasons an extraterrestrial species wouldn't want to permanently co-exist alongside us.

You know, Once we accept that they are far more advanced than us, They are still not Human beings, They aren't another Race they are a completely different life form than us, They are not from here this isn't their environment so it's not perfectly suited to them, Why would they want to live in the stone age in an environment that wasn't even meant for their species of life? Sure they come here, but they always leave, It may be that they can't be here for long periods of time without getting sick?

This isn't their environment after all. So, Really, In my eyes, Expecting them to really want to live here and co-exist with us, Would be like asking any of us, Hey, We have discovered New life and it needs to be studied but it's at the bottom of the ocean where the pressure can kill you, So, Lets all pack up and move there..
I just think, There would be issues, Like, They aren't another race, They are a different species, So, Questions and even riots and wars eventually would transpire about who is superior. I know what you are thinking,
Wars have been fought over that, Surely that won't happen again.

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Real talk here for a moment, " Every war ever fought ever in history was all about who was superior, Every time... History repeats itself" Anyway, let's forgo all that. Aliens have arrived, they are here they want to live with us and give us their technology and lead us into a golden age of peace and prosperity, What happens the next day? How in your mind do we advance forward? Do wars break out? Do the aliens solve all our problems? Do they use Alien Jedi magic and control us mentally and enslave the entire human race with technology?

In your mind, I want you to imagine, The aliens have been here for 100 years. What has occurred here on earth in this time? Have we become a more advanced species? are we all now slaves to our superior overlords who defeated us all in battle with a simple firmware update to our brains because, "Aliens" The thing about this a bit, And Get back to me, The Question is, When the aliens arrive, I mean, Of course, we accept them with open arms because that's the dream, Right? Of course, we will, So they come here and live with us, Hoe does it change us in one hundred years time?
 
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Kchoo

At Peace.
Automobiles would be gone in favor of cleaner and less chaotic methods.
Communities would be smaller and optimized for walking.
Social interaction would be more frequent and ongoing.

Homes would be built to last 1000's of years.

Multiple generations would grow up in the same population controlled communities.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Automobiles would be gone in favor of cleaner and less chaotic methods.
Communities would be smaller and optimized for walking.
Social interaction would be more frequent and ongoing.

Homes would be built to last 1000's of years.

Multiple generations would grow up in the same population controlled communities.
I noticed some typos in my earlier post thanks for overlooking them, lol So, I must ask, What is in it for the extraterrestrials? I mean, They come here, They live with us, seemingly sacrificing their own environment and many of their personal needs. What is it they seek, I mean from us?
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
A place to call home.
Now you mentioned multiple generations all living in population controlled communities, this can be interpreted in many different ways.

How will they control the population? Will this be inflicted or forced upon people, What will happen if a young couple in a population controlled community happens to unexpectedly and adversely to the rules, become pregnant?
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Everything will be optimized under strict rules of long term survival of the planet's sustainable population.

I am sure the young couple could have apellate court rule on their case, but their best hope would require compromise by the family to level out the population... a future family member would either lose the opportunity to procreate by sterilization, or an aging family member would volunteer to forfiet their life in sacrifice to allow the new baby.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
Not sure they'd be here to change us or fix our problems. I am certain that many would swoon and run to them with open arms while others locked & loaded and forted up. No idea exactly how I'd react but maybe I wouldn't.

Looking back at our own history when two civilizations have contacted one another the less advanced on always gets the short end of the stick

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Everything will be optimized under strict rules of long term survival of the planet's sustainable population.

I am sure the young couple could have apellate court rule on their case, but their best hope would require compromise by the family to level out the population... a future family member would either lose the opportunity to procreate by sterilization, or an aging family member would volunteer to forfiet their life in sacrifice to allow the new baby.


Rather than just Question this reasoning of forfeiting breeding rights, That seems pretty logical and checks out. Here is a real question, If they Lead us into this golden age, Who is in charge? Who is the authority? Who is the law? Who delivers justice to people? Do we humans still Fully control this planet? Do we share control with the Aliens? I ask because check this logic out. I once allowed my brother to move into my home with me. I don't talk much about my brother, I only have one sibling, But he is a different from me as Night and day. It wasn't long before because he lived their rent free, He thought he had entitlements. The whole situation played out in an overly dramatic way, Because, Hell, Why wouldn't it have. He eventually began bringing his friends to also live in my home rent free, I awoke one morning To my wife crying because My brothers female friend, not even a girlfriend, Slapped my wife after she got home from work because she didn't want to go to the store and buy more food for their drug parties....

I tried to kick my brother out of my home, This was not a respectful arrangement, I and my brother were always estranged from one another, He lacked any kind of respect, I succeeded in removing all his guests and letting them know they weren't welcome back, however, I had to get the law involved to try to remove my brother because he refused to leave. The Law, Informed me, that in a living situation, Where a person is living with someone, They can not be removed on a moments notice, That even though he was not paying me anything to live there or for all the trouble I had to give him sixty days to find somewhere to live...

The long story short is, I'm really not a huge fan of house guests calling the shots, I ask you, In this 100 years time, Have these extraterrestrials gained political power? Are they in charge? are they calling any shots about US humans? And how we live? Do the Aliens enforce rules upon us? Because. From my reasoning, A species that's only been on the planet for 100 years, Should not possess the power to decide of a human can or can not have a child, Or, especially if a human being should live or die.

How much power will they have over us brother Kchoo?
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Not sure they'd be here to change us or fix our problems. I am certain that many would swoon and run to them with open arms while others locked & loaded and forted up. No idea exactly how I'd react but maybe I wouldn't.

Looking back at our own history when two civilizations have contacted one another the less advanced on always gets the short end of the stick

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My thing is, There is this practicality to my thinking, It's almost pragmatic. How long would they have to be here and live alongside us before they have equal rights to us? Rights will be a serious issue because Sure, everyone would immediately accept equal rights, If that were possible, But the fact remains, they would not be Equal to us, They would be far more intelligent and far more advanced than we are, They would in every literal respect be superior beings, This is not Just an ideology, or a race or speciesism, They would literally be superior beings to us, So, Do you think they would ever be satisfied with just having equal rights?

What happens when one of theirs, hurts one of ours out of malice and we go to punish him, But the aliens are all like, You can't imprison aeskavarr,, He's a far superior being, how dare you arrest aeskavarr over killing a few humans, they are lesser life forms.

This would happen, If they are superior beings, Any logical reasoning would tell us, They would value themselves over us. This is a psychological fact I'd think.

I don't know, Maybe I'm just cynical...
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
They would dominate, of course... obviously if they were able to bring themselves here, they intended to dominate, as our superiors, because it is the most optimal way to ensure survival of both species.. they would respect our existence, and protect it, much like we protect, and cull deer populations.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
They would dominate, of course... obviously if they were able to bring themselves here, they intended to dominate, as our superiors, because it is the most optimal way to ensure survival of both species.. they would respect our existence, and protect it, much like we protect, and cull deer populations.
It must be said, I love your honesty on this brother kchoo, Nature tells us, A superior life form will dominate. That's the one lesson nature constantly reminds us of, Yes, Eventually they would rise to the top as the dominant life form, So ultimately to share our space with them, Would be to step aside as the dominant life form on the planet then?
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
It must be said, I love your honesty on this brother kchoo, Nature tells us, A superior life form will dominate. That's the one lesson nature constantly reminds us of, Yes, Eventually they would rise to the top as the dominant life form, So ultimately to share our space with them, Would be to step aside as the dominant life form on the planet then?
We would not have much choice.
 

pigfarmer

tall, thin, irritable
My thing is, There is this practicality to my thinking, It's almost pragmatic. How long would they have to be here and live alongside us before they have equal rights to us? Rights will be a serious issue because Sure, everyone would immediately accept equal rights, If that were possible, But the fact remains, they would not be Equal to us, They would be far more intelligent and far more advanced than we are, They would in every literal respect be superior beings, This is not Just an ideology, or a race or speciesism, They would literally be superior beings to us, So, Do you think they would ever be satisfied with just having equal rights?

What happens when one of theirs, hurts one of ours out of malice and we go to punish him, But the aliens are all like, You can't imprison aeskavarr,, He's a far superior being, how dare you arrest aeskavarr over killing a few humans, they are lesser life forms.

This would happen, If they are superior beings, Any logical reasoning would tell us, They would value themselves over us. This is a psychological fact I'd think.

I don't know, Maybe I'm just cynical...

Just for the sake of speculation, we are viewing their motives through our own clouded lens.

In some thread I mentioned an octopus that found a way out of its tank at an aquarium, across a fair distance of concrete and down a drain pipe to escape. Now imagine that - a highly intelligent creature living right along side us that we had badly underestimated and misunderstood that clearly had serious cognitive ability. Imagine what that creature was thinking, how it felt (if it did), how the hell it knew to do that in the first place. Did it hold a grudge? Did it get insulted and go back and tell all it's octopus buddies? All we can really say is that it was clearly intelligent and wanted out.

So how would we handle first contact? Probably not well at all and we'd have to get past a number of hurdles to even think about how they might integrate into our society, assuming they would even want to in the first place. When we have the ability to communicate with the non-human species that are already here I'd say we would be far better prepared if and when something far more exotic showed up.
 

Kchoo

At Peace.
Not sure they'd be here to change us or fix our problems. I am certain that many would swoon and run to them with open arms while others locked & loaded and forted up. No idea exactly how I'd react but maybe I wouldn't.

Looking back at our own history when two civilizations have contacted one another the less advanced on always gets the short end of the stick

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Any fixing of our problems would be a byproduct of their own way of life as they deemed fit.
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
Well... Thats my thoughts...

Anybody else?
Yes,

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This is a Chicken Egg Cheese and Bacon Mcgriddle, It's just simply the best breakfast ever, I highly recommend them.


So, What are the Eating habits of aliens Like? Do they have different meals during the day or do they recharge? Or collect energy from solar radiation, or have they synthesized some sort of biological workaround where they don't even need food anymore?

If aliens do eat, What do they eat? And if they aren't eating Chicken Mcgriddles, Then why did they even come to earth in the first place? they clearly missed the point of coming here :/
 
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Kchoo

At Peace.
Nice one...

Depends on the Alien... I guess...

But assuming they are not that much different than us, I wouldnt be surprised if the lady or man sitting at one of the tables, having an Egg McMuffin and coffee was in fact, a tourist from another world... especially if they look so fit that they actually look out of place there...
Long neck and chiseled features are probably not normal patrons of McD's...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
Not sure they'd be here to change us or fix our problems.

I'm not so certain either, I'm sure there's some kind folk out there in the universe and be willing to help out other species but honestly we never will know immediately what their true intent may be...Could be benevolent, could be malevolent, and I don't think we have to worry about any aliens who are indifferent, we will probably never see them or have contact with them...


 
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