The Divided State of Europe

Dejan Corovic

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It's hard to be a working class in developed world.

From one side they are replacing you with robots and AI, from the other side they are moving capital out of your country to far away lands so there are no jobs left in your country and than on the top of everything immigrants are competing with you for social security money.

If you are working class you are in a hole from which neither your kids will get out.
 

nivek

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It's Allah's will': Fanatics branded two Scandinavian women the 'enemies of God' as they filmed themselves decapitating one of the tourists in Morocco - 'and posted video pledging allegiance to ISIS'

ISIS terrorists branded two Scandinavian women the 'enemies of God' as they filmed themselves decapitating one of the tourists in Morocco.

Maren Ueland, 28, from Norway, and Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Denmark, were found dead near the village of Imlil in Morocco's High Atlas mountains on Monday.

A video showing the murder of one of the women has been recognised as genuine, Danish intelligence service said today adding that the killings can be connected to ISIS.

Men in the gruesome clip can be heard shouting 'it's Allah's will' while there are claims that the words 'this is for Syria' were used, in an apparent reference to Western bombing missions in the war-torn country.

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Dejan Corovic

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It's Allah's will': Fanatics branded two Scandinavian women the 'enemies of God' as they filmed themselves decapitating one of the tourists in Morocco - 'and posted video pledging allegiance to ISIS'

ISIS terrorists branded two Scandinavian women the 'enemies of God' as they filmed themselves decapitating one of the tourists in Morocco.

Maren Ueland, 28, from Norway, and Louisa Vesterager Jespersen, 24, from Denmark, were found dead near the village of Imlil in Morocco's High Atlas mountains on Monday.

A video showing the murder of one of the women has been recognised as genuine, Danish intelligence service said today adding that the killings can be connected to ISIS.

Men in the gruesome clip can be heard shouting 'it's Allah's will' while there are claims that the words 'this is for Syria' were used, in an apparent reference to Western bombing missions in the war-torn country.

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Well, if one tries to play a role of an independent observer from Mars, one must say that the anger of Muslims is fueled not just by religion, but as well by indiscriminate bombing of civilians in war zones where Muslims live. Europeans (EU & Russians) and Americans killed with their not-so-smart bombs many innocent people. And to ad insult to injury western media routinely under-reports these tragedies and plays politics over the graves of victims.

For example, while riding moral high horse EU blew up Libyan state into pieces just because they were after a single person, colonel Gadafi. Libya was one of top three richest African countries, had gold reserves that were (in relative terms) higher than UK's and welfare system that matched that one of Sweden. Because of it's wealth Libya was absorbing hundreds of thousands of economic migrants from poor countries of sub-Saharan Africa. When US-EU coalition shamelessly destroyed prosperous Libyan state, they destroyed a big sponge that was absorbing thousand of African migrants.

Today, these migrants, that would otherwise stop in Libya if Libya was not destroyed, are flooding into Italy, Greece and the rest of the EU and in process destabilizing already stagnating and stretched out EU. It was arrogance and dogmatism of liberal politicians that, by destroying Libya, created rise of liberal's arch-enemy, populism. Not to mention human catastrophe of many of these migrants, including children, drowning in Mediterranean sea. EU arrogantly created it's own bad karma and it's now paying the price. And it's not going to get better any time soon.

On the other hand 1M Muslims got permission to settle in EU, 98% of "refugees" were just young males who came here to work, exactly at a moment when European economies started declining one after another. No Muslim countries helped those Muslim refugees, so Muslims should take that into account and stop complaining.
 
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nivek

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nivek

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EU blew up Libyan state into pieces just because they were after a single person, colonel Gadafi. Libya was one of top three richest African countries, had gold reserves that were (in relative terms) higher than UK's and welfare system that matched that one of Sweden. Because of it's wealth Libya was absorbing hundreds of thousands of economic migrants from poor countries of sub-Saharan Africa. When US-EU coalition shamelessly destroyed prosperous Libyan state, they destroyed a big sponge that was absorbing thousand of African migrants.

It was a dangerous gamble for NATO to intervene, mainly the US and France I think, but once again they made a dangerous but manageable situation into an out of control situation to which the consequences of that intervention has not been fully realized...Unfortunately once again it's the people, the citizens who suffer the most...

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wwkirk

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Macron accused of treason by French generals for signing UN Migration Pact

General Antoine Martinez has written the letter signed by ten other generals, an admiral and colonel, and also includes former French Minister of Defense Charles Millon.

They’ve given strong warning that Macron’s signing the U.N. Global Migration Pact strips France of even more sovereignty providing an additional reason for “an already battered people” to “revolt”.

The highly decorated military co-signees assert that the beleaguered Macron is “guilty of a denial of democracy or treason against the nation” for signing the migration pact without putting it to the people.


The pact, which has been protested in the Yellow Vest demonstrations in five countries, was signed by 164 nations, most against the will of the citizens as stated in dozens of country specific petitions, on Monday in Marrakech.

The immensely opposed and disastrous document declares unlimited migration to be treated as a human right and criticism of mass migration to be treated as hate speech.


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I sympathize with the generals, but their letter doesn't appear to have any legal force.
 

Dejan Corovic

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It was a dangerous gamble for NATO to intervene, mainly the US and France I think, but once again they made a dangerous but manageable situation into an out of control situation to which the consequences of that intervention has not been fully realized...Unfortunately once again it's the people, the citizens who suffer the most...

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Yeah, Libya's case just goes to prove how much Western media brainwashes their own people. Whole of Libyan tragedy was just brushed under the carpet. It was a completely unprovoked, ideologically driven, attack on a small country. A political hissy fit.

It would be OK if Libya was doing something bad, "ethnically clenching" some minority, or even just to go in and steal Libyan oil (like in Iraq) etc. This would make either humanitarian or economic sense. But, this was just West's tantrum. West took it personally that Qaddafi was showing them two fingers, so in turn, West recklessly destroyed whole country.

It's completely immoral to destroy welfare of 10 million people and than say "Sorry, we didn't foresee it's going to be so bad for you" or even more cynically "Rejoice, now you have democracy". West, US, EU etc. should really pay reparations for all the property and lives they destroyed in Libya on the level that Libyan government determines.
 
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nivek

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Migrants are found hiding in mattresses strapped to a van roof in an attempt to reach Europe from Africa
  • Men were found at check-point between Spanish enclave Melilla and Morocco
  • The migrants were found hiding in two bed mattresses strapped to a van roof
  • Footage shows guards cutting through plastic and fabric to reveal men inside


The sub-Saharan men were arrested after border guards found them at a check-point between Melilla, a Spanish enclave on the north African coast, and Morocco.

It is understood to be the first time the method has been used to smuggle migrants and there are fears criminal gangs could increasingly use the tactic, according to Spanish media.

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nivek

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One of President Macron's top officials is 'evacuated' after masked thugs use a FORKLIFT to break into a French government ministry during Yellow Vest riots as chaos spills into EIGHTH weekend
  • Spokesman Benjamin Griveaux was evacuated from a government building in Paris following a raid today
  • Several hundred protestors gathered on the Champs Elysees in central Paris where police were deployed
  • Marches were underway in several other cities across France including Rouen where arrests have been made
  • This is the eighth Saturday of protests called by the grass-roots movement
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nivek

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nivek

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'There will be two civilisations in Europe – one Christian, one mixed Islamic': Hungary's PM calls for 'anti-immigrant forces' to take over EU and says he'll 'fight' Macron to save his country

Hungarian PM Viktor Orban warned of two civilisations in Europe - one Christian, the other mixed Islamic - as he called for an 'anti-immigrant' coup in the EU.

Speaking at a news conference in Budapest, Orban predicted there would be two civilisations, 'one mixed Muslim-Christian in the West, and one traditional European-Christian in Central Europe.'

The nationalist leader called for 'anti-immigration forces' to seize power in May's European elections and said he would 'fight' French President Emmanuel Macron, who he claimed was leading a pro-immigration agenda.

He welcomed a 'Warsaw-Rome axis' as he echoed calls for a 'European Spring' made by the Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini who challenged the 'French-German axis' on Wednesday during a visit to Warsaw.

 

nivek

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This is happening in the northern region of North America but relevant to the sub-topic of this absurd mass migration into western countries...This madness must end but it may already be too late for the West and we are in the mist of the most radical and forceful cultural shift humanity has ever seen...


Canada wants 1 million more immigrants over next 3 years

In 2017, Canada welcomed almost 300,000 permanent residents.

Canada, a nation of not quite 37 million people, wants to add more than 1 million immigrants through 2021.

"Thanks in great part to the newcomers we have welcomed throughout our history, Canada has developed into the strong and vibrant country we all enjoy," Ahmed Hussen, minister of immigration, refugees and citizenship, wrote in an annual report to Parliament. "Immigrants and their descendants have made immeasurable contributions to Canada, and our future success depends on continuing to ensure they are welcomed and well-integrated."

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Dejan Corovic

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Being an European, I am somewhat obliged to comment.

In about 100 years, European governments have produced:

1. Two world wars.
A very partial view. It is almost true that US had been in some war with some country, every year since WW2 ended. More bombs were dropped on a tiny Vietnam than on Germany in whole WW2.


2. One massive depression.
Negative. All financial depression start in US, on Wall Street, simply because US economy is almost as big as all other economies put together.


3. Endless booms and busts.
Negative. Since WW2 US economy is by far the largest economy in the world and it's the biggest importer and exporter. If US economy just hicks up, all other smaller economies crash. There is no single economy in EU that is large enough to cause worldwide crash. Plus, German economy is really never in recession, only UK and France can go down from time to time, but are not large enough to, say, disturb US economy.


4. Mass migration that threatens western civilization
One sided view. "Mass migration" doesn't exist, it's nothing but very successful emotionally overloaded phrase. Migration is not significantly higher than it was historically. Economic studies had shown time and again that migration is at worst neutral, and at a best very profitable for any country, because migration always increases economic activity. More people create and spend more goods.


Migrants by definition can not produce any problems, simply because they are too clueless and powerless. Migrants are completely defenseless and unrepresented, so they are just a scapegoat. If somebody who's born into a country has to compete with migrants for jobs, than he should really ask himself what were all the opportunities that he screwed up to end so low.

Most of West's problems can be reduced to elites successfully manipulating system. For example, if Google and Donald Tramp are not paying tax in US than they are using country's infrastructure but not contributing for it's creation and maintenance. Instead working and middle class people foot up the bill. Any financial damage that a single clueless immigrant can cause in his wildest dreams, is at least 10,000 times smaller than what, say Warren Buffet can do by simply hiding his money offshore. Or even better one, you can pay for the border wall by forcing Donald Trump to publish his business accounts and probably find there hundreds of millions in tax evasion by using clever but dodgy tax loopholes.

If one really wants to get better life in his own country than use democracy to challenge those who are the strongest, not those who are the weakest. Trifle one can squeeze from weak is so little that it is not worth all the effort. Just a common sense.

5. Bottomles government debt.
True, but it is really hard to find a country in the world that doesn't run big deficit. US is shining example of a country with gigantic gov. debit. Not to mention hidden Pentagon's black budgets, masked with crooked deep state accounting, which according some research are bigger than whole of US GDP.


6. Propagandistic "education"
Baseless ??? Pre-college education in US is on a third-world level. US schools are nothing more than kindergartens for rampant teenagers. Only on the university level US education is world class. But saying that, there are lots of great universities anywhere in Europe, even in smaller EU countries.


But yeah, anarchists are crazy.
 
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AD1184

Celestial
I do not much care to defend Stefan Molyneux, but I am prompted to respond to some things:

One sided view. "Mass migration" doesn't exist, it's nothing but very successful emotionally overloaded phrase. Migration is not significantly higher than it was historically.
Mass migration into Europe is not higher than it has been historically? What version of history are you reading?

In my own country, Britain, there was comparatively very little immigration after the the eleventh century for the next thousand years. What had occurred before had mostly come from within Europe. Mass migration into Britain began in the post war period through the policies of the Labour government. There was then a sharp up-tick in the rate with further policy changes of Tony Blair's Labour government in the late 1990s. This increased dramatically again in 2004 when Tony Blair opted-out of free movement restrictions on new countries joining the EU in that year, when all of the other countries in the EU-15 except Ireland and Sweden did so. These events lead to an immigration which was historically unprecedented since the Norman Conquest.

Economic studies had shown time and again that migration is at worst neutral, and at a best very profitable for any country, because migration always increases economic activity. More people create and spend more goods.
First of all, your argument assumes that the only problems caused by migration worth contemplating are economic, and apparently concludes that there are no such problems and therefore immigration causes no problems at all. Even then, of course migration causes economic disruption. For one thing it drives up the price of property and rents, making living costs escalate. It drives down wages, meaning people are even less well positioned to buy what property is available. Immigration causes massive cultural and societal change as well, which by and large people do not appreciate.

The blame lies with state policies on migration which are unsupported by the population. Not with the immigrants themselves. It is a distortion of the truth to equate the terms anti-immigration and anti-immigrant.

Migrants by definition can not produce any problems, simply because they are too clueless and powerless. Migrants are completely defenseless and unrepresented, so they are just a scapegoat. If somebody who's born into a country has to compete with migrants for jobs, than he should really ask himself what were all the opportunities that he screwed up to end so low.
Any advanced economy still produces people who are only able to compete for unskilled, or low-skilled work (not least because the educational standards in many are reaching rock bottom thanks to ideologically-driven educational policies). It is not good enough to say to such people that the fact that they have to compete in a massively-inflated labour market and their economic prospects are very much diminished from those of their own parents is their own fault (after inflicting a massive migration and a useless education upon them).

Furthermore, your own writings make the racist assumptions that migrants are 'clueless' and 'powerless' and have no ability to compete with indigenous populations for jobs, except at the very bottom. Migrants are of different skill levels, such that even skilled workers are having to compete with migrants for jobs.
 

Dejan Corovic

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Furthermore, your own writings make the racist assumptions that migrants are 'clueless' and 'powerless' and have no ability to compete with indigenous populations for jobs, except at the very bottom. Migrants are of different skill levels, such that even skilled workers are having to compete with migrants for jobs.

Oh, I most likely didn't express myself correctly. I didn't mean to be derogatory to migrants in any sense. It's simply that when most migrants arrive into a host country they are disoriented and much less aware of the opportunities around them, because of the luck of understanding of laws, institutions and economy of the host country.

In my own country, Britain, there was comparatively very little immigration after the the eleventh century for the next thousand years. What had occurred before had mostly come from within Europe. Mass migration into Britain began in the post war period through the policies of the Labour government. There was then a sharp up-tick in the rate with further policy changes of Tony Blair's Labour government in the late 1990s. This increased dramatically again in 2004 when Tony Blair opted-out of free movement restrictions on new countries joining the EU in that year, when all of the other countries in the EU-15 except Ireland and Sweden did so. These events lead to an immigration which was historically unprecedented since the Norman Conquest.

I would say that Great Britain is completely unique case in the whole world, because of Commonwealth from it's colonial past. Britain has special immigration arrangements with so many countries like Pakistan, India, many African countries, South Africa, Australia, Canada etc. Immigration into Britain is drastically different from immigration to Germany or Italy.

Another thing about Britain is that Britain influenced the world about 10 times more than France & Germany put together and squared by power of 2. How many people in the world speak English and how many speak French, not to mention German? Britain is the Athens of modern world and influenced formation of public institutions, science, arts, culture etc. across whole world. In countries as different as Pakistan and United States. Lets not forget Britain is birthplace of globalization when British Empire in 18th and 19th century started modern globalization and multinational corporations, like East India Company.

And one can't have globalization without free movement of people.

Without globalization Germans would just walk right over Great Britain. Before WW2 British economy was 10% bigger than German. From the end of WW2, year for year, German economy outgrew British economy. Look at it now, now British GDP stands at $2.8T, while bombed-back-to-stone-age Germany is now at $4.0T, whopping 43% bigger than GB's. It's nothing but globalization that helped Britain defeat Germany in WW2. While Germans run out of every imaginable raw material, from oil to iron ore and even heavy water for atom bombs, Britain simply continued to import supplies she needed from all over the world.

Saying all the above, Britain had truly been a hub of the world for the last 400 years. And Britain certainly benefited overall from globalization and it's openness. Because of that world looks up to the Britain much more than it looks up to any other country in the world, apart from US. That's definitely good for British business, political and military influence. Britain has special place in the world and it can not dwell on it's own nationalism like more continental countries like Germany or Hungary could.

Certainly you are right that modern economies leave many own people behind, but in a big picture of things it is an internal problem that needs to be addressed, but not something that should change overall strategy. For a seafaring nation, like Britain, globalization is both a core strategy and cherished advantage over continental nations, that worked so well through thick and thin for more than at least 3 centuries.
 
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AD1184

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Lets not forget Britain is birthplace of globalization when British Empire in 18th and 19th century started modern globalization and multinational corporations, like East India Company.

And one can't have globalization without free movement of people.

The British Empire does not resemble what is latterly called globalization. Furthermore, even at the zenith of this period of 'globalization' that you are referring to, there was almost no immigration into Britain from its colonies. The largest inward migration at that time was probably that of the Huguenots of France and the Low Countries, fleeing persecution from continental Catholics, and wholly separate from Britain's colonial activities.

Britain's decline as a great nation began precipitously with its disastrous and unnecessary involvement in the First World War. The Second World War, bringing Britain--again--to the point of bankruptcy and with its inability to defend its colonies in South East Asia made plain by the Japanese, did for this country. At that point Britain was no longer a great nation. It was finished.

It was only in the aftermath of these events that the influx of migration from its third world former colonies began, thanks to an increasingly ideological Labour party who saw immigration as a weapon of inflicting massive change on the country. Government policies and laws have since been steadily altered to increase the rate at which it was all happening against the will of the nation's people.

There is no parallel between what happened at the height of Britain's greatness and the present day of mass immigration. Any such suggestion is completely anhistoric.
 

nivek

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"Mass migration" doesn't exist, it's nothing but very successful emotionally overloaded phrase.

Have you even researched this at all, you are very off the mark, this is simply from Wiki...

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So we can see by the last image 90 percent of the immigrants are from muslim countries and by all accounts we also know that many will not integrate with European culture, but they will create over time a muslim European culture which will change the whole of Europe and as we see now will clash with the traditional European culture which is Christian...

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nivek

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I know the UK isn't Europe but felt compelled to post this, I think Corbyn is a dangerous man and should never hold any power...

How to guard your wealth from Comrade Corbyn...just in case Labour comes to power

Prime Minister Theresa May survived last week’s no-confidence vote in the House of Commons. But make no mistake, the likelihood of a General Election, followed by a Labour Government, is edging ever closer.

Although the Fixed-term Parliament Act means the Government could cling on until spring 2022, May’s fragile tenure and schisms between factions within the Conservative Party may well result in an early Election.

If, God forbid, Jeremy Corbyn and lieutenant John McDonnell – Marxist partners in crime – do indeed stride into Numbers 10 and 11 Downing Street, readers should brace themselves for a massive assault on their wealth.

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