The Extradimensional Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis: Superstition Masquerading as Science

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  1. nivek

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    Kind of a tongue twister or should I say 'trickster'...lol

     
  2. Spaceman spiff

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    So this is apparently what Tom believes in, whether his handlers believe in this also, i dont know, but im very afraid that maybe some do in some capacity. Which would make me seriously question their motives and reputation.

    Because this stuff is both nuts and self contradictory, its on the fringe of the fringe. It makes the trickster theory seem sane in comparison. And in its insanity its way too much on the nose too, for being maybe a psy op. No ones going to believe it if they put this out there.

    What i see at worst is a lot of ancient aliens garbage and unsubstantiated theories crammed together in a lunacy pack, backed up with some contradictory excuses and blame shifting to benefit the government and secret keepers. Apparently as it was "explained" to Tom, the wars that we fought, yeah humans arent responsible for those, it was always the aliens... get the fuck out of here. Are you gonna blame global warming and pollution on them next? And drugs and rape and school shootings too maybe?

    If TTSAs purpose is to muddy the picture of whats real and whats not, their doing a fine job at it.
     
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    A lot of that stuff is in TD books Sekret Machines, a new book in that book series was just released recently...Many many TTSA or TD followers are gobbling this stuff up...

    Sekret Machines: Man

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    Id put it in the same category as Lazars book, mostly fiction or disinformation being passed off as fact.

    Which makes me question, whats the motive for putting these out there. They cant seriously believe the world buys this stuff, do they, if this is their explanation for the long denials? Because this story falls apart so easily.
     
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  5. nivek

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    That part in Hour 4 talking about the others and manipulating our countries, this follows along lines of some Italian research I looked over in depth...That research was conducted on abductees to gather information about the abductors, what they concluded was there were a group of about six or so highly advanced beings who fought occasionally and did not get along well but they had common goals so they worked together loosely...Each influenced different countries of the world and abducted people from their respective 'regions' to experiment and do research on us...They want us to think they are godlike (this is all from said Italian research) but are not gods...They said that one of the beings does not come from this universe but from another dimension or realm and created a physical cyborg type body to interact in this universe...

    Corrado Malanga is the lead researcher and has a lot of information on his websites and in youtube videos, even allegedly through hypnosis speaks indirectly to an alien who was having mental control over one of the abductees...

    Alien Hierarchies and the Research of Dr. Corrado Malanga

    Global Alien Interference - Dr. Corrado Malanga's Research

    I wonder if Tom Delonge got some of his stuff from this?...

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    Probably, sounds about as wild to me.

    Abduction research is iffy to me, cause hypnosis is not a reliable way to get to the truth. You cant really tell which parts of the experience are true and which come from the wounds of the psyche. I can believe in wake abduction experiences or encounters more, but they are still ultimately stories with little if any evidence to back them up. Which is problematic. Im not saying they didnt happen in some way, what im saying is that proving to others that they happened as described can be very difficult if not impossible.

    Theres some good cases, Pascagoula, Ariel School. But many are just too vague to make anything out of them. There seems to be positive and negative experiences. I doubt anyone has the full picture of whats going on there and how many of these cases are actually true and happened.
     
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  8. Spaceman spiff

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    Anyways if theres an otherworldy presence here, I think its a lot more likely we have hugely advanced aliens tricking us with "paranormal tricks" which is in actuality sufficiently advanced technology in play, than some supernatural "god" or "interdimensional demons or genies" who create aliens out of the thin air with "magic" to fool us.

    Reasons on why they would do this i dont know, we can all speculate, maybe its for their amusement, study, masking their presence or some other purpose, sinister or not. But maybe there is a method in this madness, we just cant see yet. Its a possibility humans are about to cross some threshold and theres some manipulation going on towards it or because of it.
     
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    modern mythology, eh?
     
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  11. Thomas R. Morrison

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    The thing that I hate the most about this brand of modern mythology, is the brazen boundless hubris of it; by elevating the role of consciousness to the primary force of nature, these people are flagrantly elevating themselves to the level of gods who create the universe and scoff at the laws of physics.

    The human impulse to regard oneself as an omnipotent god is deeply revolting to me; imo it requires a profound sense of humility, and courage, to find the truth. So modern New Age mysticism is the antithesis of spirituality.
     
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  12. Shadowprophet

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    I have found all new-age spiritualism is similar to this.

    Namaste, The god in me bows to the god in you. The human is greedy in their nature, they aren't content with being one of the fold, or like their peers, they must be the best, An object of worship. Not everyone or every belief is like this, but there is quite a lot of in human nature.
     
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    I'm not a psychologist but whoever wrote this article has poured all his paranoia in it and tried to legitimize incoherent thoughts with the use of abstract concepts and quantum mechanics theories such as retrocausality and (?) Quantum Wave Interjection (?).

    I'm not sure if this Quantum Wave Interjection mentioned twice is the result of a poor translation, is a new theory that i don't know of, is something made up or is an accepted theory also known with a different nomenclature.
     
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    When Philip Imbrogno went on his ultraterrestrial interdimensional campaign years ago, he was more into the paranormal, supernatural mysteries I always thought, before it was found out his education and experience didn't pan out...I hear he's making inroads to a come back, sigh...

    Anyway, trying to explain ufos and alien visitations, all things alien as ultraterrestrials or interdimensionals is nice science fiction and fantasy for now and ultimately is a distraction from the most likely explanation that these visitors and space craft are coming from other parts of our universe, other parts of our galaxy...Intelligent beings living on other planets with the tech to traverse the stars, and its also most likely we have local neighbors who are residing in neighboring star systems, those closer neighbors are likely the frequent visitors if they have the technology to do so, given we are in their local area...It makes sense as a species with such technology to travel amongst the stars, for the sake of survival would want to know who their neighbors were and find out if they are dangerous or not, we would do that same thing if we had technology to do so...We would travel to every star system in our local area if we had the tech, so logically we should be getting visits from others, this is the most likely situation that we are dealing with...

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    I read Harry Harrison's Deathworld trilogy for the first time when I was a kid. You want to talk UTH then read the first book - written 60 years ago. Easy read but really interesting idea.
    Here's the spoilers: Deathworld - Wikipedia
     
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  18. Thomas R. Morrison

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    It's nonsensical gibberish. The irony is that the people advocating for this kind of crappy incoherent thinking are trying to make it sound legitimate by stealing words from physics, while the idea itself is inherently unscientific and unphysical. Here are a couple of quotes I found of people talking about this fictional theory:

    "Here are the dimension parameters of the Interjection wave theory for explaining the UFO phenomenon. This is a concept, a theory based upon the works of Jacques Vallee and John Keel.

    Interjection Theory

    1) The phenomena is potentially an unidentified ‘quantum wave’ signal being transmitted into our universal reality via human consciousness.

    2) The wave is beyond conventional human comprehension, that is, the phenomena cannot be observed in its original form in this 3 dimensional reality. Masks are required.

    3) The manifested physical and astral appearances of the phenomena wave is dependant upon human consciousness to be processed and projected into this universal reality.

    4) The consciousness of the phenomena, aka, behaviour, thought processes, reflection mirroring, ‘personality’ is also dependant upon projected human perceptions. The good vs bad doesn’t exist no more than we as humans attribute it.

    5) The ‘antenna’ (Dr. Nolan), within the human mind essentially acts as a signal ‘processor’ or entry gate of the phenomena wave.

    Let me stress, this is just a theory. All dimensions are accumulations of ideas and concepts that have not yet (to my knowledge), been associated directly with the UFO phenomena or the antenna."

    https://www.the-unidentified.net/dimensions-of-the-interjection-wave-theory/

    "Interjection theory builds upon Jacques Vallee’s work, an inter-dimensional consciousness link, that suggests a lack of recognisable consciousness on behalf of the phenomena, that the behaviour theOthers take on is a result of mirroring humans, that we are subconsciously giving them the behaviours which are being fedback to us, projected or interjected into our reality. We don’t know this. This is just a theory.

    What we do know however, through our own research and speaking with various people, is that the phenomena is equated to quantum physics, entanglement, superposition and quantum human consciousness. It is most likely not what we thought originally, the ‘simplistic approach’ is coming to an end. Possibly."

    https://www.the-unidentified.net/interjection-theory/

    And it doesn't help that they're using the wrong word: an "interjection" is an exclamation that interrupts a conversation. What they're trying to say is "injection" - that some unquantifiable supernatural force is injecting an unquantifiable supernatural projection into our universe from some other one. So their attempt to hijack the word "quantum" to make this idea sound legit is a clear misnomer; by definition any quantum phenomenon must be quantifiable. And I can't understand why so many people assume that there are other universes in the first place - there's exactly zero empirical evidence that points to the multiverse theory.

    Frankly this kind of fanciful metaphysical approach to this subject strikes me as overtly cultish - they're trying to make a religion out of ufology, but it's a stupid and creepy kind of pseudoscientific religion, like scientology.
     
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    Well it's funny that you say that , because as you know Thomas, i have always generally agreed with the people that pour scorn on such foolish chaps that pedal this … well quite frankly obfuscatory drivel that in my opinion was totally designed to 'divide and conquer' the field of the ETH consideration. … And on occasion have even been known to be a little vociferous in my condemnation of such a puerile distraction from the main event by so many students that ought to know better than to waste time on engaging with the deliberate deceivers. But having met with this chap below in my local a few nights ago, .. and having a few tall ones whilst nice little chat with him , as he explained that it was in fact him that had been behind the whole UFO/ETH phenomenon right from it's beggining ..... "Just For A Laugh" ? well, of course I at first valiantly tried to defend my corner and at one point [between pints] even accused him of being a crank! ... but I have to tell you mate that sadly [for the cause] as the night went by, i'll be blowed if the swine didn't start making sense!! .... and to cut a long story short, .. by the end of the session, he had me on the brink! Especially as for the life of me I just cannot remember how we got from the 'noisey-but-congenial' pub, and into my 'much quieter' living room half a mile away at home?? ... and the last thing that i seem to remember was him expressing his irritation at the volume of the jukebox behind us and then gently clicking his finger and thumb together.
    .... a bit of a hangover the next day, and with it a bit of a general fuzziness, so [as often is the case] I cannot really remember that much about the bloke... only that I seem to remember he had a bit of a funny name ..?
    [​IMG]

    Cheers Buddy.
     
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  20. Spaceman spiff

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    Alot of the times it reminds me of the religious people trying to turn all of this into angels and demons.... sure... I guess it fits right next to the fairies, djinni, yokai, omnipotent cosmic trickster god, intelligent gaian force or invisible spaghetti monster.

    For any deniers and naysayers, religious or not, i might ask, why is the simplest outwordly explanation or possibility, ETH, so unacceptable for you? Are you denying it because it is too unlikely, or are you denying it because it doesnt fit into your worldview, or perhaps more importantly, is a threat to your ego as a human being?

    I wonder how much denial pure anthropocentrism causes.
     
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