The Extradimensional Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis: Superstition Masquerading as Science

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Exactly as I anticipated, the cases at your link describe UFOs and alien creatures, such as this case:
STUMPS: (OREGON, USA) | Cryptopia - Exploring The Hidden World
so spider like creatures with no opposable thumbs can build FTL drives? pathetic
Exactly as I anticipated, the cases at your link describe UFOs and alien creatures,
and what really you expected? i am showing right now examples of ufological cases that are too nonsensical for ETH
And here’s another case where a witness reported seeing an alien creature inside of a pod-like capsule (reminiscent of the Flatwoods Monster case):
BOSAK HUMANOID: (WISCONSIN, USA) | Cryptopia - Exploring The Hidden World
the humanoid once again looks too primitive to be a space faring race, also why is he naked?
sound exactly like ETH cases.
opinion, not a fact
I wonder, if I posted a fake report on that website about my socks turning into glowing purple octupi that telepathically informed me that my parents were elves, before sliding down my bathtub drain, you'd accept it as fact without question, and cite it as an example of an incident that the ETH can't explain. With your total lack of data controls, I have to assume that you would.
several points to make here, first of all is that rob morphy (the writer of that website), never publishes anything people write to him, instead he takes his articles from articles written in FSR, APRO,NUFOR (jenny randles UFO newsletter) and other similar newsletters, all of them are investigated before publishing and frankly its a shame none of them exists anymore
as for your hypothetical report, if i ever saw that in a reporting website, i would assume that it was from someone that has a bad LSD trip, so i wouldn't care about it
I already did. But the fact that you’re absolutely convinced that some invisible supernatural being is creating UFOs through magic…and yet you have the gall to call anything else bullshit…is totally hilarious. And total hypocrisy, btw.
i reach conclusions, no matter how ridiculous and weird they sound
Mountains can be made of anything; there are mountains of ice in Antarctica for example. You just assumed that he meant “mountains of rock,” which he never specified (nor intended, imo).
now you are just putting words into my mouth, i said mountains of CRYSTAL and of course i know that mountains can be composed of different materials, i remenber when they found giant mountain chains made of ice in pluto
In any case, we have no information about the surface of Jupiter below the clouds, so you can’t claim that they’re not there. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn, one day, that the surface of Jupiter has mountain ranges of metallic hydrogen, or some other kind of matter. The fact that you're willing to assert with no evidence whatsoever, that you know what the surface of Jupiter looks like, betrays a deep-seated intellectual dishonesty.
gravity would make the semi-solid nucleus of jupiter mostly smooth with some up and downs here and there, but definitely no mountains
Your own hypothesis requires paranormal phenomena to be real. That’s what I find to be so funny: your logic is intrinsically self-contradictory, and you don't even see it.
good lord.... i don't believe in psy powers but i do however believe that paranormal events do happen every now and then
 
so spider like creatures with no opposable thumbs can build FTL drives? Pathetic
Octopi and crows have been known to use tools. And you’re presuming a level of knowledge about the anatomy and manual dexterity of those (possible but unproven) creatures which is totally unwarranted - lots of creatures like spiders actually have opposable claws at the end of their legs, which enable them to make sophisticated structures like spider webs. Hell, even snails make beautiful, intricate and very strong shells - so this silly idea that only a creature with human-like hands could build and use tools is retarded. Your own ignorance of nature and basic analytical reasoning is pathetic.

i am showing right now examples of ufological cases that are too nonsensical for ETH
No, you’re not. There’s nothing “nonsensical” about alien-looking beings arriving on Earth in alien-looking technological craft. The cases you’re pointing to read exactly like ETH cases.

the humanoid once again looks too primitive to be a space faring race, also why is he naked?
First of all, who are you to say that a being “looks too primitive to be a spacefaring race?” That’s an absurd, arrogant, and racist presumption. You can’t judge somebody’s mind or technological prowess by how they look.

And that being was inside of a large device, so it wasn’t “naked.” If it was naked within that device, which is not evident because it was encapsulated completely, that still wouldn’t mean a damn thing – maybe it’s more comfortable that way.

opinion, not a fact
Alien-looking creatures arriving in alien-looking vehicles – that sure sounds like aliens arriving from elsewhere to me, and to any rational person.

several points to make here, first of all is that rob morphy (the writer of that website), never publishes anything people write to him, instead he takes his articles from articles written in FSR, APRO,NUFOR (jenny randles UFO newsletter) and other similar newsletters, all of them are investigated before publishing and frankly its a shame none of them exists anymore
as for your hypothetical report, if i ever saw that in a reporting website, i would assume that it was from someone that has a bad LSD trip, so i wouldn't care about it
Without any supporting physical evidence, the validity of any given case is a purely subjective assessment. And yet you seem to assume that they’re all real events, simply because they appeared in somebody’s newsletter.

And then when you read cases that describe alien-looking beings walking/crawling/slithering around alien-looking craft, you reject the ETH explanation, which is the only explanation that makes any kind of sense.

i reach conclusions, no matter how ridiculous and weird they sound
You reach bad conclusions based on questionable data and deeply flawed logic. And then you promote those bad conclusions all over the internet, making all of us posting on these forums seem like a bunch of idiots. That’s not something to be proud of.

i said mountains of CRYSTAL
Ingo Sawnn never said that the mountains he saw were made of crystal – he said that they were beneath the clouds of crystalline particles. Here’s the quote:

“Those mountains are very huge but they still don't poke up through the crystal cloud cover. You know I had a dream once something like this where the cloud cover was a great arc, sweeps over the entire heaven. Those grains which make that sand orange are quite large. They have a polished surface and they look something like amber or like obsidian but they're yellowish and not as heavy. The wind blows them, they slide along.”
The Ingo Swann 1973 Remote Viewing probe of the planet Jupiter

gravity would make the semi-solid nucleus of jupiter mostly smooth with some up and downs here and there, but definitely no mountains
You have no idea what you’re talking about. For starters, the core of Jupiter is an extremely dense solid because of the intense pressures. Nobody knows what the layer beneath the clouds looks like, but it’s perfectly possible that there are large features that look like mountains, or possibly sand dunes. The gravity on the surface of Jupiter is only 2.5 times greater than the Earth, and its surface features will depend on the density of the matter at the surface as well as the wind speed and a variety of other factors.

good lord.... i don't believe in psy powers but i do however believe that paranormal events do happen every now and then
If you don’t believe in psy powers then how does your extradimensional ultraterrestrial idea work? Because the fuzzy explanations that you’ve attempted to provide in the past have read to me like some supernatural being creating solid physical devices out of thin air using the power of thought.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Octopi and crows have been known to use tools. And you’re presuming a level of knowledge about the anatomy and manual dexterity of those (possible but unproven) creatures which is totally unwarranted - lots of creatures like spiders actually have opposable claws at the end of their legs, which enable them to make sophisticated structures like spider webs. Hell, even snails make beautiful, intricate and very strong shells - so this silly idea that only a creature with human-like hands could build and use tools is retarded. Your own ignorance of nature and basic analytical reasoning is pathetic.
the creature seen in the report doesn't looks like it could use a tool
No, you’re not. There’s nothing “nonsensical” about alien-looking beings arriving on Earth in alien-looking technological craft. The cases you’re pointing to read exactly like ETH cases.
denialism at it's finest :Whistle:
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
First of all, who are you to say that a being “looks too primitive to be a spacefaring race?” That’s an absurd, arrogant, and racist presumption. You can’t judge somebody’s mind or technological prowess by how they look.
its neither wearing anything neither has anything else in his body wich looks technological
And that being was inside of a large device, so it wasn’t “naked.” If it was naked within that device, which is not evident because it was encapsulated completely, that still wouldn’t mean a damn thing – maybe it’s more comfortable that way.
notice how bizzare that sounds? thats my point here
Alien-looking creatures arriving in alien-looking vehicles – that sure sounds like aliens arriving from elsewhere to me, and to any rational person.
alright, i know you don't like the alternatives :Whistle:
Without any supporting physical evidence, the validity of any given case is a purely subjective assessment. And yet you seem to assume that they’re all real events, simply because they appeared in somebody’s newsletter.
you have just said that 90% of all UFO reports are useless, and that all witnesses are unreliable
You reach bad conclusions based on questionable data and deeply flawed logic. And then you promote those bad conclusions all over the internet, making all of us posting on these forums seem like a bunch of idiots. That’s not something to be proud of.
maybe if you tryed to read some of those books i told you about, you would see what really is behind IDH
“Those mountains are very huge but they still don't poke up through the crystal cloud cover. You know I had a dream once something like this where the cloud cover was a great arc, sweeps over the entire heaven. Those grains which make that sand orange are quite large. They have a polished surface and they look something like amber or like obsidian but they're yellowish and not as heavy. The wind blows them, they slide along.”
even if i was remenbering it wrong, you can still see here that he claims that the mountains were very very huge almost going trough the cloud cover, its a wonder nobody detected those elusive mountains!
You have no idea what you’re talking about. For starters, the core of Jupiter is an extremely dense solid because of the intense pressures. Nobody knows what the layer beneath the clouds looks like, but it’s perfectly possible that there are large features that look like mountains, or possibly sand dunes. The gravity on the surface of Jupiter is only 2.5 times greater than the Earth, and its surface features will depend on the density of the matter at the surface as well as the wind speed and a variety of other factors.
i find it more plausible that they would be small features, like the sand dunes example you gave
If you don’t believe in psy powers then how does your extradimensional ultraterrestrial idea work? Because the fuzzy explanations that you’ve attempted to provide in the past have read to me like some supernatural being creating solid physical devices out of thin air using the power of thought.
maybe because we are dealing with a powerfull being here that works beyond the laws of physics and not some weirdo claiming that he can bend spoons?
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
can i say now that i told you?
You think you're right about a cosmic trickster monster manifesting AAVs in the skies...because TTSA is going to be a few weeks later with their experimental test results than I had hoped?

Lol - no dude. Rational people wait to see the evidence. Btw - just the fact that they've collected evidence poses a grave challenge to your silly idea about a magical omnipotent being from some magical realm playing pranks on humanity in the form of physical light-emitting craft that appear on radar and evade our top jet interceptors.

Even Jacques Vallee - the guy who dreamed up with the whole "Messengers of Deception" thing, has been studying trace evidence that points to an advanced nuclear technology explanation of AAVs. Loki not required.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
You think you're right about a cosmic trickster monster manifesting AAVs in the skies...because TTSA is going to be a few weeks later with their experimental test results than I had hoped?
they are going to further the date more and more until they finnaly are forgotten...
Lol - no dude. Rational people wait to see the evidence. Btw - just the fact that they've collected evidence poses a grave challenge to your silly idea about a magical omnipotent being from some magical realm playing pranks on humanity in the form of physical light-emitting craft that appear on radar and evade our top jet interceptors.
we have already went over this point, and you are in denial of the IDH possibility
Even Jacques Vallee - the guy who dreamed up with the whole "Messengers of Deception" thing, has been studying trace evidence that points to an advanced nuclear technology explanation of AAVs. Loki not required.
nope, he is studying the material disgorjed by UFOs in various sightings, again the cosmic trickster can do that...
 

nivek

As Above So Below
they are going to further the date more and more until they finnaly are forgotten...

I continually forget all about that trickster god you worship until you come back and proselytize about it again, its such a crude barbaric 3rd century type of belief and too absurd to even consider a reality I have no problems forgetting all about it, hoping one day it is finally forgotten and never discussed again...

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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I continually forget all about that trickster god you worship until you come back and proselytize about it again, its such a crude barbaric 3rd century type of belief and too absurd to even consider a reality I have no problems forgetting all about it, hoping one day it is finally forgotten and never discussed again...

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never gonna happen, the truth will come about one day
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
stop harrasing me, the answers you gave to my questions were all purely speculative
Stop, collaborate and listen, Ice is cold for a reason, sometimes, We need ice in our veins, To be cool, Maybe that analogy doesn't quite work, What I'm getting at is, In all the forums, In all the places I've been, At one point or another, Someone pissed me off because I couldn't accept one thing, That was the other persons Right to an opinion, I'm not saying that's what you are doing, I'm just saying that was my issue back then, The point is, Sometimes, when someone says something we don't agree with about an opinion or view that we have, The best course of action is to stop, pace yourself and realize, Everyone has thoughts and feelings about things, In Honesty, to me the whole trickster God thing sounds totally Sketchy.

But, Too many, That I believe in God at all sounds sketchy, We aren't so different. What I am saying is, If I can put myself in a place where I am willing to hear peoples true thoughts and feelings about My God, Then, what is so different in your Case? People will say things we don't like at times, What's important is how we handle those situations.

Be as calm and reserved and even confident as possible. But never lose your temper, No person is ever giving their best when they lose it. Just overall, Try to respect people and their thoughts, Even if you don't agree with those thoughts, It will do so much for you, You wouldn't believe it.
 

humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
Stop, collaborate and listen, Ice is cold for a reason, sometimes, We need ice in our veins, To be cold, Maybe that analogy doesn't quite work, What I'm getting at is, In all the forums, In all the places I've been, At one point or another, Someone pissed me off because I couldn't accept one thing, That was the other persons Right to an opinion, I'm not saying that's what you are doing, I'm just saying that was my issue back then, The point is, Sometimes, when someone says something we don't agree with about an opinion or view that we have, The best course of action is to stop, pace yourself and realize, Everyone has thoughts and feelings about things, In Honesty, to me the whole trickster God thing sounds totally Sketchy.

But, To many, That I believe in God at all sounds sketchy, We aren't so different. What I am saying is, If I can put myself in a place where I am willing to hear peoples truth thoughts and feelings about My God, Then, what is so different in your Case? People will say things we don't like at times, What's important is how we handle those situations.

Be as calm and reserved and even confident as possible. But never lose your temper, No person is ever giving their best when they lose it. Just overall, Try to respect people and their thoughts, Even if you don't agree with those thoughts, It will do so much for you, You wouldn't believe it.
again i ain't worshiping anyone, just sharing my theory
 

Shadowprophet

Truthiness
again i ain't worshiping anyone, just sharing my theory
I'm just being fair, Asking people to believe that some Cosmic joker is out there playing games with people, It does sound kind of sketchy. I'm just pointing out, That Almost anyone wouldn't take a claim like that seriously. This is why people resist that. But, then again, I don't really have a condemning kind of personality. Someone could tell me, They are the hybrid offspring of carrot top and a grey alien, I'd probably ask them what Grey aliens do for a first date or something,

far too many people take things online far too seriously, Online is not a place to hang off of peoples words like it's the cast down laws of society, We are all strangers from nowhere. We shouldn't get all caught up in how offensive other peoples opinions are.
 
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humanoidlord

ce3 researcher
I'm just being fair, Asking people to believe that some Cosmic joker is out there playing games with people, It does sound kind of sketchy. I'm just pointing out, That Almost anyone wouldn't take a claim like that seriously. This is why people resist that. But, then again, I don't really have a condemning kind of personality. Someone could tell me, They are the hybrid offspring off carrot top and a grey alien, I'd probably ask them what Grey aliens do for a first date or something,

far too many people take things online far too seriously, Online is not a place to hang off of peoples words like it's the cast down laws of society, We are all nobodies from nowhere. We shouldn't get all caught up in how offensive other peoples opinions are.
the IDH does sound ridiculous at first sight but when you examine the problems with ETH and high strangeness cases, it becomes waay more plausible
 

nivek

As Above So Below
never gonna happen, the truth will come about one day

The truth of alien visitation and understanding of their technology will indeed come about through physical means, like scientific discovery, physical contact made publicly, or even a public landing of a space craft for example, there are a variety of ways we will find out about alien species visiting here from other worlds, but I can rightfully say we will never discover anything about these alien visitors by putting our heads in the sands giving reverence and worship to some alleged god who likes to play tricks on us all...This type of barbaric thinking has held mankind back from true progress for way too long to have it creep back up into society in the form of turning alien visitors into gods or demons...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
The truth of alien visitation and understanding of their technology will indeed come about through physical means, like scientific discovery, physical contact made publicly, or even a public landing of a space craft for example, there are a variety of ways we will find out about alien species visiting here from other worlds, but I can rightfully say we will never discover anything about these alien visitors by putting our heads in the sands giving reverence and worship to some alleged god who likes to play tricks on us all...This type of barbaric thinking has held mankind back from true progress for way too long to have it creep back up into society in the form of turning alien visitors into gods or demons...

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Don't take this the wrong way, This is not a fussing kind of post, I only want to genuinely discuss these things with you,
I feel we have reached a stage when we can and are able to have this conversation.

You know you are my friend, So I say this with no disdain, I've always disagreed with the opinion that contemplation on intelligent design holds us back from progression, While many would agree that it does, I see believing In a God from the basic principal as a service to others action, For many, They see the belief in God as something that has harmed us or kept us from progressing,

I feel this ideology is misplaced, People will site that others fight and die in wars for religion, Or that others carry out atrocities in the name of religion, I feel that organized religion was probably one of the civilizations first examples of Order. Through the teachings of religion, We began shaping laws and even democracy, Religion hasn't held us back,
It's made us what we are, The issue is, People want to Abolish the Idea of God, And honestly, As the person, I have grown into I have no choice but to respect other peoples opinions, But at that same time, I do wonder if people know how important the Idea of God Really is, Or how much it has shaped the lives of not just the believer but even the unbelievers, It's shaped reality.

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My thing is, People want proof of God, The only proof I may offer is look, Look at how these thoughts, These ideas, have shaped all lives on earth, since the beginning. In this regard, Is God not Real? Is he not a very real influence upon society? This is my proof of God, An Idea that has shaped society and even changed the lives of those who believe and even those who do not.

My Question is, Philosophically, Is God Not real? Is he not?

Thoughts, please?
 
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nivek

As Above So Below
I moved a few posts here as this thread is on the topic of these posts which were on the verge of derailing another thread...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I moved a few posts here as this thread is on the topic of these posts which were on the verge of derailing another thread...

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To be honest, I didn't even realize I was in Thomases thread, Most usually, I will read the last few posts and reply, My bad, It must be said though, Of anyone I can think of, I'm probably the worst for derailing a thread, My bad, I've been working on that, I think it's an ADHD thing on my part.. ;)
 

nivek

As Above So Below
People want to Abolish the Idea of God

I see the opposite happening too, but what I said in my previous posts was not an attempt to abolish belief in a god but to say aliens are gods or demons or the aliens are puppets of a god to play tricks on us and at the very same time attempt to discredit real scientific discovery and those methods is akin to a book burning...Its barbaric and has no place in ufology...If its all because of a trickster god playing tricks and jokes on us, what about abductions and people getting experimented on, all a cruel joke from Loki?...

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Shadowprophet

Truthiness
I see the opposite happening too, but what I said in my previous posts was not an attempt to abolish belief in a god but to say aliens are gods or demons or the aliens are puppets of a god to play tricks on us and at the very same time attempt to discredit real scientific discovery and those methods is akin to a book burning...Its barbaric and has no place in ufology...If its all because of a trickster god playing tricks and jokes on us, what about abductions and people getting experimented on, all a cruel joke from Loki?...

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No, I totally get that, While I'm not on board with the whole trickster god thing, I feel like it imparts the belief of some kind of knowledge about some entity that is cryptic or secret, I'm not above the idea that some species of malevolent entity gets their entertainment from messing with people, The reason, I say this is, I use us humans as examples, As enlightened as we are, And I'm not just blowing smoke here, I can safely say, I know for a fact neither you are me would ever willingly hurt any animal, I can tell you are like that too.. But, There are some people who would, They would hurt an animal because it is what they enjoy doing, I've seen people like that. I'm sure you have too, So, The idea that some malevolent race of beings that gets their entertainment by causing others strife, It seems possible but only on the grounds that I assume some entities could be very advanced but not very enlightened. When I say it seems possible, I'm not saying it's likely, I'm counting the odds against infinity. so, I'm just saying, If everything is ultimately possible, then, Maybe some race of beings could get entertainment from throwing rocks at monkeys. You know? But that's as far as I entertain it.

But no, I will go on record as saying, I feel like the Trickster God thing, Is almost a mockery of other more contemporary religions, Like the spaghetti monster religion, I've often wondered if it was some kind of troll-like joke upon religion... But if it is, I just can't find the humor in it, The belief makes a lot of claims, That simply no one could possibly know under any circumstances , and how exactly did he acquire this forbidden unknown knowledge?, I know, I know, That's probably the most ironic thing I've said all day.
 
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