The Extradimensional Ultraterrestrial Hypothesis: Superstition Masquerading as Science

Discussion in 'UFOs & Sightings' started by Thomas R. Morrison, Sep 10, 2018.

  1. Dejan Corovic

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    There is no such a thing as a "totally new laws of Physics". Physics continues in a succession of steps, like Russian dolls. General Relativity contains Newton's gravity laws. And both these theories exclude extra dimensions. So the next new classical theory of gravity will have to exclude extra dimension.
     
  2. Carl Grove

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    It all depends how you look at it, of course. If you think there is only one reality and that we are discovering its laws, then you may be right. I am only suggesting that if there are other realities, they might function under quite different physical laws.
     
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  3. Dejan Corovic

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    As @Thomas R. Morrison explained much better than I can, that that is non-empirical opinion. Problem is when non-empirical and empirical opinions are mixed in the same discussion. Quality of that discussion immediately drops to zero because science-fiction and scientific-reality are treated as equal, but that is not obvious to all particiants.

    Empirical sciences, particularly deterministic ones, should lead UFO discussions, just to publicaly humiliate and raut UFO sceptics. Once that's done probabilistic empirical sciences, like psychology or sociology or folklore studies, should follow in with much more credibility, because they could always turn and say "physical evidence of UFOs had been confirmed".
     
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  4. Carl Grove

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    If you think the aim of discussions about UFOs is to humiliate UFO sceptics, then I have to disagree. I think we should be searching for the answers to the UFO problem, not just responding to the short sighted comments of the self-proclaimed sceptics. Why let them dictate our actions?
     
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  5. humanoidlord

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    so thats the function of ufology? make fun of people?
    god i hate post-TTSA ufologists
     
  6. Dejan Corovic

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    I agree with you. It was just a sidenote, that is now creating a distraction from the main point of that post.
     
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  7. nivek

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    We will see soon enough...

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  8. pigfarmer

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    Agreed, in general. Anyone that thinks they have it all figured out probably doesn't.

    There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
    - Hamlet (1.5.167-8), Hamlet to Horatio
     
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  9. humanoidlord

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    not too different from when they promised footage of a meeting between UFOnauts and the US military for the documentary UFOs: past, present and future
     
  10. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Humanoidlord logic:

    "Something once happened with completely different people and under completely different circumstances so this must be just like that..."
     
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  11. humanoidlord

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    nope, the stanford guys are also behind TTSA
     
  12. Thomas R. Morrison

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    So let me get this straight: you’re claiming that 45 years ago the people now with TTSA were also involved in the production of the 1974 film UFOs: Past, Present, and Future – specifically, that they promised to provide the production team of that film genuine footage of the alleged meeting between aliens and military personnel at Holloman Air Force Base.

    Got any links to support this absurd allegation? And who are you talking about when you say “the stanford guys?” - are you talking about Ray Stanford (who has zero connections with TTSA) or are you talking about Hal Putfoff – who received his PhD in electrical engineering from Stanford University in 1967?

    I can find no connection between Hal Puthoff (or anyone else at TTSA) and this film, or the alleged footage that was offered by US Air Force personnel.

    Show us your facts or admit that you’re a blithering fool who just makes up stuff and then tries to pass it off as fact.

    The Dunning–Kruger effect is real, folks.
     
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  13. humanoidlord

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    do you think that information would be easy to find, hahah
     
  14. Thomas R. Morrison

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    "Hitchens's razor is an epistemological razor asserting that the burden of proof regarding the truthfulness of a claim lies with the one who makes the claim, and if this burden is not met, the claim is unfounded, and its opponents need not argue further in order to dismiss it.

    The concept is named, echoing Occam's razor, for the journalist and writer Christopher Hitchens, who in a 2003 Slate article formulated it thus: 'What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.'"

    Hitchens's razor - Wikipedia
     
  15. humanoidlord

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    thats because the proof din't come out yet, you will see it when the big day arrives....
     
  16. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Who do you think you're fooling here?

    You have no evidence that anyone at TTSA was ever involved in UFOs: Past, Present, and Future. And now everyone here knows that you're talking out of your rear end.

    The only honorable option left to you is to admit it. But you won't even do that.
     
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  17. humanoidlord

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    thats because i am not talking about who produced these ventures, but who inspired them, i am of course talking about AFOSI,CIA,NSA and other suspicious agencies
     
  18. Thomas R. Morrison

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    So you're foisting a conspiracy theory, and you have no evidence to connect anyone at TTSA to that film or the footage that was promised to its creator.

    Like I said, you're talking out of the wrong end, as usual. And worse, you're trying to pass off your vapid and baseless suspicions as fact. Despicable.
     
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  19. humanoidlord

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    there are people from the US government in TTSA, what else are you expecting?
     
  20. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I'm not even going to offer a rebuttal to that statement because if you can't see how dumb and empty that argument is, nothing I can say to you will help. The idea that "everyone who has ever done government work is 'in on the conspiracy to deceive the public about the topic of UFOs' is possibly the most vapid and hysterically paranoid argument that I've heard from anyone ever. Lots of people in the government have bucked the system to speak out and offer testimony regarding the reality of UFOs : Ruppelt, Keyhoe, Hynek, Hill, and on and on - you know this. And the simple fact that the government has bent over backwards to offer no support for, or confirmation of, anything these people have been saying...should be enough to convince anyone that these folks are going against 70 years of government denial regarding this subject. But somehow even the most rudimentary application of analytical reasoning escapes you.

    I can't make you more intelligent. Sorry, I guess.
     
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