The Hermit UFOs

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  1. pigfarmer

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    Not everyone agrees with that statement and it hasn't been proven to be true.
     
  2. Thomas R. Morrison

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    Lots of people think that we never landed on the Moon even though college students all around the world reflect laser signals off of the reflector that we left behind there and the Chinese and Russians have released photos of the equipment and tracks that we left there, so unanimous agreement is an unrealistic standard.

    Proven to who, exactly?

    "Proof" is a subjective standard used to evoke an authority that doesn't actually exist. What people actually mean when they say "proven" is that a general consensus has been reached among academic scientists.

    Academic scientists require empirical evidence to reach a consensus. And the empirical evidence - the raw radar data and the high-rez electro-optical data and physical trace evidence, is being collected by the most secretive organization in the world, the US military, and then withheld as a matter of policy.

    The only remaining evidence available consists of witness testimony and, for the lucky ones, a personal sighting. And that evidence is overwhelmingly consistent and compelling.

    So it's been satisfactorily proven to me. And I'm very confidant that if and when the radar data and original film and video footage and he physical trace evidence is released to the public, it will confirm my position.

    I don't expect anyone to agree with that conclusion. But I expect that anyone who examines the subject thoroughly and dispassionately, probably will agree, because the body of witness testimony that we have regarding this subject today is vastly more substantial than the body of witness testimony that we had for ball lighting, for example, and that is now considered to be proven because a single clear photograph of the phenomenon was finally taken a few years ago and made publicly available for scientific scrutiny.
     
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  3. pigfarmer

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    Human nature puts too heavy a finger on the scale for me to accept such an extraordinary claim based on eyewitness testimony.I'd like to see an alien spacecraft, maybe run my hand over it. Show me one.

    I have no expectation of total agreement on anything, and I don't necessarily believe that consensus opinion is always correct. But certainly with this topic there's room for debate and nothing we've seen so far has done anything other than fuel it.
     
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  4. Thomas R. Morrison

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    I understand that position completely. In fact, if I hadn't seen a pair of these things rapidly zigzag in perfect formation across a clear daytime sky with five other witnesses standing beside me, I'm convinced that I would've found myself among the ranks of the die-hard cynics who shit all over this topic.

    I'm not saying that it's proven; I'm just saying that after my experience and decades of intensive research, it's proven to me.

    But I want to point this out: we have to weigh the evidence we have (which is mostly eyewitness testimony - albeit in many cases very credible eyewitness testimony), against the evidence that we can reasonably expect to have. We know for a fact that the US military has the complete high-rez video footage of the Tic-Tac and many other encounters, as well as the radar data from those incidents, for example - we know for a fact that they're withholding that evidence.

    So we can't score the absence of that evidence as evidence of absence. And since the radar data and the high-quality gun-camera footage in being withheld, and since it's not reasonable to expect a UFO to land and hang out so we can all touch one, we have to weigh the merit of the remaining evidence, in toto, in order to reach the most logical conclusion. And when we do that, I think we have a very compelling case that non-human technology is occasionally operating within our airspace, and most frequently near our most sensitive military installations and battle groups.

    Unfortunately that's the way the DoD wants it, and we know that. By withholding the empirical evidence, they keep us at each other's throats. But imo when somebody gives our top military pilots and radar operators even a modicum of credit, and accounts for the wealth of modern scientific findings ranging from the prevalence of habitable worlds in our galaxy and the theoretical physics of field propulsion, it all fits together like a jigsaw puzzle to produce a surprisingly clear picture.

    But one can't see that picture if we look at the data microscopically. It takes a macroscopic analysis to see it all fitting together.

    My main point is this: given what we now know about our universe and our place within it, we should be expecting the universe to be teeming with intelligent life which in most cases is vastly more technologically advanced than we are. The very idea that extraterrestrial visitation is somehow a radical or extreme idea is now untenable: we should be expecting a variety of sightings from our galactic neighbors. And in fact, that appears to be exactly what's happening.
     
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  5. pigfarmer

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    I keep thinking of gorillas. Reports of their existence predated the actual proof by decades. And at that, they were comparatively easy to find terrestrial creatures and no government wanted to use them for strategic advantage and therefore created any disinformation regarding them.

    We are expecting visitation from a galaxy teeming with Life because of, I suppose, statistical probability. Dunno what the reality of it is. We are an impatient lot, maybe we have to simmer a few centuries first.
     
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  6. nivek

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    Speaking for myself, I carry no expectation of any visitation even though I believe without doubt life is very abundant in our galaxy and others, but here we are, seems there is consistent visitations occurring whether one wants to believe it or not and not just visitations but also abductions and intrusions...In referring to just visitations alone, putting aside the other stuff like abductions, it appears we have been visited for more than a few centuries, possibly for thousands of years...Perhaps there's more to this than we know about and likely there is but as it stands we have little to go by, but more than mere statistical probabilities and guesswork...

    Sure many skeptical individuals won't accept this viewpoint without more 'proof', but whether that 'proof' is forthcoming or not, its occurring in spite of us all and it continues to occur...Given enough 'simmering' and sometimes wild speculation and sketchy evidence gets tossed around together we start to hear of more ludicrous theories and imaginings like some almighty trickster god messing around with us or even recently we hear of a package deal, all and everything unexplained bundled up and labeled 'the phenomena'...It seems to me that the most likely explanation is the correct one and the countless abduction and intrusion reports adds more support to the likely explanation than not, that we are being visited by beings residing in our galaxy...

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  7. Rick Hunter

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    It is quite clear to me that the aliens are visiting us, and have done so throughout human history. They haven't so far chosen to reveal their presence in a way that would be visible and irrefutably true to most of the world. For whatever reason, that doesn't serve their interests.
     

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